sebstar wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seb,

This had nothing to do with Lin or Gallo.

Try not to clump all posters in the same subset of "hate".

I said I like the guy. If you don't believe me theres not much sense typing some kind of proof. I don't get why he was afforded worship status right away. But thats my thing.

You know, If Melo lost it and went after him during the game thats understandable. But when you go to the locker room, then get dressed and wait at the bus its premeditated. so the suspension is justified. If he fought him he gets suspended also, maybe KG also but not if melo the only one to throw a punch.

Glad there was no fight. Not saying I agree, but I understand.

You dont have to prove anything to me --- based on what you wrote earlier you admitted to a certain animus towards Melo, and I think that influences your response to events involving him. This one in particular. Yes, I believe that if this incident had involved someone else, your reaction would be different. My opinion.

Stars get treated different. Its the media, its the fans, its the expectations. Amare only "crime" was punching the glass and he was blasted but it was an emotional burst. I doubt he left the court and took a different root to find it. Nor get dressed and then seek it out.

If Novak did this and got suspended, or other player your right, its not as big a deal. Not because if my opinion but if Melo is the alpha scorer of the team and its most important player then its a bigger deal.

I believe the game was winnable as is anytime we get on the court. Lost to pacers perhaps is on him now too. 2 games.

Stars get held to a higher standard. In the MVP discussion gets a microscope on you. He admits to being wrong for losing his cool, woodson not happy with the situation.

I don't worship Melo and I would have not made that deal at that time. To his credit, and I have admitted this before because I think Melo has stepped up and matured in NY and his game has elevated. That trade is a good trade for us because of that.

I was wrong about the value of players sent vs. what we got in return. I said then it would take 5 years to fully evaluate the deal because some players need to further develope, or not, and the draft picks need to be evaluated.

In the meantime we got a hell of a player in return. I was not aware he had marital problems.

Nalod wrote:
Stars get treated different. Its the media, its the fans, its the expectations. Amare only "crime" was punching the glass and he was blasted but it was an emotional burst. I doubt he left the court and took a different root to find it. Nor get dressed and then seek it out.

If Novak did this and got suspended, or other player your right, its not as big a deal. Not because if my opinion but if Melo is the alpha scorer of the team and its most important player then its a bigger deal.

I believe the game was winnable as is anytime we get on the court. Lost to pacers perhaps is on him now too. 2 games.

Stars get held to a higher standard. In the MVP discussion gets a microscope on you. He admits to being wrong for losing his cool, woodson not happy with the situation.

I don't worship Melo and I would have not made that deal at that time. To his credit, and I have admitted this before because I think Melo has stepped up and matured in NY and his game has elevated. That trade is a good trade for us because of that.

I was wrong about the value of players sent vs. what we got in return. I said then it would take 5 years to fully evaluate the deal because some players need to further develope, or not, and the draft picks need to be evaluated.

In the meantime we got a hell of a player in return. I was not aware he had marital problems.

You orient everything back to this stars/worship deal, which is a self-reflexive expression of your own bias. Let me ask you this: do you think if this same incident happened to D Rose, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Durant, etc. and I went to their team's fan page, I would read as many pro-KG, anti-home star posts as Ive read in this thread and the game thread? Would I read as many negative posts, theories, attacks in general on their respective pages for their "stars"?

Heightened criticism reserved for stars has little to do with this discussion --- its about personal affinity, and support. The collective energy directed at Melo as a person, if you will, is specific and distinct to you and others around here.

The verve of animus here towards Melo is unmistakable --- for whatever the reason may be. As awesome as a player as he is, its almost as if you have to grit your teeth and give him be-grudging respect over his performance, but there is little enthusiasm or genuine like that translates here. That is consistent among many of you. This KG/Melo incident drove such home.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:DK7th what about is it about this team that you do like? Is there anything that you enjoy about watching this team or is Melo all you want to talk about?

You spoke of "reaping what you sow". Truer words were never spoken. If you only post about the things you don't like about about this squad, the negatives, you shouldn't be surprised if you get nothing but negativity in return.

let me be clear: if other posters-- not you-- believe that i don't want the knicks to win then any fruitful dialogue is impossible. seems to me there are a lot of guys who believe i root for the knicks to fail. hence my critique is often spun. take a good close look at my signature if you want to see where my heart is.

i have spoken glowingly of jason kidd this season but oftentimes people want to stress the negative of what i write, forgetting that a critique will sometimes be critical.

i am a big fan of sheed and kidd. i love shumpert and can't wait to have him back. i admire chandler and hope he and camby get more time together. can't not like thomas. all these guys have various degrees of old school about them and i am a big fan of old school.

i am kind of indifferent to brewer and novak and copeland. prigioni is growing on me.

not a fan of felton, smith, or melo.

not a big fan of woodson either.

Dk I have to ask if you watch the Knicks much. I can't ever remember you participating in a game thread or referencing actual plays on the court. Call me out on this if i am wrong.

i use a desktop and don't own a laptop or smartphone. i am assuming you guys do own these things. the desktop does not face the same direction as the television either. it is laborious and distracting to participate in game threads although i gave it a shot one game this year.

as to referencing actual plays on the court of course i have. people just don't like my take on things so they are predisposed to teasing out the negative i guess. it's unfair but posters like to get worked up. ideally we would be sitting in the same room and watching the games so we could explain to each other the value of a particular play or player in the moment.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:DK7th what about is it about this team that you do like? Is there anything that you enjoy about watching this team or is Melo all you want to talk about?

You spoke of "reaping what you sow". Truer words were never spoken. If you only post about the things you don't like about about this squad, the negatives, you shouldn't be surprised if you get nothing but negativity in return.

let me be clear: if other posters-- not you-- believe that i don't want the knicks to win then any fruitful dialogue is impossible. seems to me there are a lot of guys who believe i root for the knicks to fail. hence my critique is often spun. take a good close look at my signature if you want to see where my heart is.

i have spoken glowingly of jason kidd this season but oftentimes people want to stress the negative of what i write, forgetting that a critique will sometimes be critical.

i am a big fan of sheed and kidd. i love shumpert and can't wait to have him back. i admire chandler and hope he and camby get more time together. can't not like thomas. all these guys have various degrees of old school about them and i am a big fan of old school.

i am kind of indifferent to brewer and novak and copeland. prigioni is growing on me.

not a fan of felton, smith, or melo.

not a big fan of woodson either.

Dk I have to ask if you watch the Knicks much. I can't ever remember you participating in a game thread or referencing actual plays on the court. Call me out on this if i am wrong.

i use a desktop and don't own a laptop or smartphone. i am assuming you guys do own these things. the desktop does not face the same direction as the television either. it is laborious and distracting to participate in game threads although i gave it a shot one game this year.

as to referencing actual plays on the court of course i have. people just don't like my take on things so they are predisposed to teasing out the negative i guess. it's unfair but posters like to get worked up. ideally we would be sitting in the same room and watching the games so we could explain to each other the value of a particular play or player in the moment.

dk, you did participate in ONE game thread this season. Your goal was (and it was evident with each post) was to point out every heat check, non pass, low pct shot and lack of defense by a certain player. I believe that this certain player went on to have a very good / efficient game that the knicks won and I believe that this gave you a bad taste for game threads.

A certain unethical player is not playing tonight so it may be a good time for you to once again attempt the game thread.

Bonn1997 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:Crazy **** like this wouldn't happen to either of the guys you listed

what do you mean?

I think he means it's very hard to imagine Dirk, Lebron, or those other guys waiting outside a player's bus to confront him because he said something very mean during a game.

Why do you guys say stupid stuff that is easily disproved? Stop acting like other players are a pure as the driven snow.

Dirk:

Lebron:

IronWillGiroud wrote:No one said other guys are pure as snow, but they're not taking arguments to the team bus and acting a fool,

No video of Lebron ALLEGEDLY feuding with that guy and the other two videos are guys battling IN GAME

Where is this assumption that an argument wouldnt follow outside the court coming from? Makes no sense...You're either prone to an altercation, or you're not.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

sebstar wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:No one said other guys are pure as snow, but they're not taking arguments to the team bus and acting a fool,

No video of Lebron ALLEGEDLY feuding with that guy and the other two videos are guys battling IN GAME

Where is this assumption that an argument wouldnt follow outside the court coming from? Makes no sense...You're either prone to an altercation, or you're not.

It's not an assumption, the altercations you listed didn't follow outside the court,

There is hot greasy beef every night, in every game in the NBA, but you don't have guys going crazy by the team bus,

Celtics bus had to be clowning Melo for the entire ride back to hotel

So if Dirk, Lebron, etc were going thru marital issues, and a known p.o.s antagonist was making crude remarks about his wife and their issues, you can guarantee me they wouldnt take the argument off the court because?...

IronWillGiroud wrote:

sebstar wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

sebstar wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:No one said other guys are pure as snow, but they're not taking arguments to the team bus and acting a fool,

No video of Lebron ALLEGEDLY feuding with that guy and the other two videos are guys battling IN GAME

Where is this assumption that an argument wouldnt follow outside the court coming from? Makes no sense...You're either prone to an altercation, or you're not.

It's not an assumption, the altercations you listed didn't follow outside the court,

There is hot greasy beef every night, in every game in the NBA, but you don't have guys going crazy by the team bus,

Celtics bus had to be clowning Melo for the entire ride back to hotel

So if Dirk, Lebron, etc were going thru marital issues, and a known p.o.s antagonist was making crude remarks about his wife and their issues, you can guarantee me they wouldnt take the argument off the court because?...

I'm sure all those guys have played against KG many times,

Melo is not the first guy KG talked crazy **** to, you didn't see Tim Duncan acting a fool at the team bus, and KG said something to Duncan that's, I think, much more offensive

You didnt answer my question, predictably, and we're not talking about Duncan. I specifically left him out of the discussion, because he's a robot.