When Melo's out the game, this team isn't the same, the pick and roll becomes too easy to defend. It's not really a hard concept.

Kidd does run the offense because he is too slow. Chandler at the rim is the Knicks number 1 threat when Melo or Stat isn't in the game and teams pack the paint, that's why Felton has to shoot. Don't take a Havard degree to figure out.

It's not like Jeremy Lins IQ is going to make him shoot jump shots any better when that's all teams give us of the pick and roll.

Felton helped set the tempo in the first quarter by pushing the pace in transition, which led to the Knicks' 41-27 first-quarter lead. He must have been listening to D'Antoni's pregame press conference, in which the coach said he was concerned with how dangerous the Knicks could get from downtown in the fastbreak.

He was right, although the numbers entering Thursday night didn't suggest that. The Knicks were averaging an NBA-worst 8.6 fast break points per game, and attempting 12.2 percent of their 3-pointers in transition for 45.3 percent accuracy. But in their win over the Lakers, they scored 16 fast break points and attempted 28.0 percent of their 3-pointers in transition for 85.7 percent accuracy (6-for-7), with two of them coming in the first quarter (both from Anthony).

While Felton struggled from the field in the second half, finishing 9-for-26 overall, he had two huge assists late in the fourth quarter to give the Knicks a double-digit lead. One was an inside pass to Chandler, and then on the very next offensive possession, he dished the ball to J.R. Smith for a 3-pointer to put the Knicks up 111-99 with 3:48 remaining. For the game, Felton had eight assists and only one turnover -- a big change from his seven-assist and seven-turnover night against the Nets on Tuesday night.

Felton's relentless style of play, even when he's missing or turning the ball over, has been keeping the Knicks alive throughout every game, no matter if they're up or down on the scoreboard.

Consistent effort is a simple thing in the NBA, and Felton, who's having a Most Improved Player of the Year campaign -- potentially even All-Star worthy -- represents that well. He's personally playing with a chip on his shoulder, coming off his worst season of his seven-year career. But with the team in mind, the floor general knows that he has to keep his guys playing at a high level. - Jared Zwerling

Anji wrote:It's painful in the box score??? That has to be ruff, having to read a bad box score.

When Melo's out the game, this team isn't the same, the pick and roll becomes too easy to defend. It's not really a hard concept.

Kidd does run the offense because he is too slow. Chandler at the rim is the Knicks number 1 threat when Melo or Stat isn't in the game and teams pack the paint, that's why Felton has to shoot. Don't take a Havard degree to figure out.

It's not like Jeremy Lins IQ is going to make him shoot jump shots any better when that's all teams give us of the pick and roll.

Anji, I have seen Felton play a lot. If I check the box score and he shoots 30% AND most posters say he had a bad game and took bad shots, do I really need to see the game? I mean I think I got the gist of his performance and know his game from his time here. His scoring is up but he is essentially the same across the board (outside of his much improved 3pt % this year) - Not a very intelligent PG. (Not stupid mind you, but more average in BBALL IQ).

Instead of making this an "I'm right and your wrong" type of argument, how about trying to see the point? We lost our #2 (reliable) option in Lin and replaced him with Felton. Can we complain about his game when it is bad? Do we have to be rosy about everything? Also, Felton takes a lot of shots (and misses) in close, I think his game 2 or 3 games ago had tons of point blank misses.

Looking to the future (playoffs) I am concerned about Felton shooting us out, especially when Melo is out of the game. If you haven't noticed, Lin is now shooting 40% FG and over the last 10 games he is at 47% (He had a torridly bad start. Oh, and his TO's are below 3). It was pretty clear he was playing not at 100%. Felton has been shooting 40% on the year but is at 36% the last 10 games. There is no excuse for that with the talent on this team, none. Let's talk about that and not make this an all or nothing argument. I do see Felton's pluses, clearly, but I also see his downside.

Let's just stick to more facts and less "Harvard degree" or "painful box score" watching comments to back our comments up with. I make due with what I have.

VCoug wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Anji wrote:It's painful in the box score??? That has to be ruff, having to read a bad box score.

When Melo's out the game, this team isn't the same, the pick and roll becomes too easy to defend. It's not really a hard concept.

Kidd does run the offense because he is too slow. Chandler at the rim is the Knicks number 1 threat when Melo or Stat isn't in the game and teams pack the paint, that's why Felton has to shoot. Don't take a Havard degree to figure out.

It's not like Jeremy Lins IQ is going to make him shoot jump shots any better when that's all teams give us of the pick and roll.

Anji, I have seen Felton play a lot. If I check the box score and he shoots 30% AND most posters say he had a bad game and took bad shots, do I really need to see the game? I mean I think I got the gist of his performance and know his game from his time here. His scoring is up but he is essentially the same across the board (outside of his much improved 3pt % this year) - Not a very intelligent PG. (Not stupid mind you, but more average in BBALL IQ).

Instead of making this an "I'm right and your wrong" type of argument, how about trying to see the point? We lost our #2 (reliable) option in Lin and replaced him with Felton. Can we complain about his game when it is bad? Do we have to be rosy about everything? Also, Felton takes a lot of shots (and misses) in close, I think his game 2 or 3 games ago had tons of point blank misses.

Looking to the future (playoffs) I am concerned about Felton shooting us out, especially when Melo is out of the game. If you haven't noticed, Lin is now shooting 40% FG and over the last 10 games he is at 47% (He had a torridly bad start. Oh, and his TO's are below 3). It was pretty clear he was playing not at 100%. Felton has been shooting 40% on the year but is at 36% the last 10 games. There is no excuse for that with the talent on this team, none. Let's talk about that and not make this an all or nothing argument. I do see Felton's pluses, clearly, but I also see his downside.

Let's just stick to more facts and less "Harvard degree" or "painful box score" watching comments to back our comments up with. I make due with what I have.

It's not just how bad he's shooting. I could live with him shooting around 40% if stopped ****ing shooting so much. Right now he's averaging 16 shots/game which ranks him 14th in the league. He takes more shots than Josh Smith, DeMarcus Cousins, Stephen Curry, Al Jefferson, Paul Pierce, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Wade among others. He takes one shot less per game than Kevin Durant. And the guy taking the third most shots on our team is JR at 12.8.

His teammates and his coach keeps telling him to be aggressive and shoot, penetrate. I disagree on the fact that he takes bad shots. The staple of the knicks offense is PnR, if the defenders stay @ home with our perimeter players, and the big switches on the pick, felton is force to shoot or try and shake the big.

There's really not much you can ask him to do in that situation, I don't think he gets his fair share of calls when he drives, but I rather him be aggressive as oppose to trying to make some ridiculous pass and turning over the ball.

misterearl wrote:One.

This Knicks team is being coached to be decisive and aggressive. Felton taking 25+ shots is part a factor of Carmelo being out and what the Lakers defense was giving him. Certainly, he could look for Novak and Smith more. We love beautiful balance and despise layups rolling off the rim.

That is why players and coaches watch film. If Mike Woodson feels Felton is out of control, he will rein him in.

Do not forget how Felton set the tempo in the first quarter. We dominated and Carmelo was on fire.

One turnover.

Exactly, when you don't turn the ball over, you compensate for the lack of rebounding, you give your team a chance to set up there defense on miss shots.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Anji wrote:It's painful in the box score??? That has to be ruff, having to read a bad box score.

When Melo's out the game, this team isn't the same, the pick and roll becomes too easy to defend. It's not really a hard concept.

Kidd does run the offense because he is too slow. Chandler at the rim is the Knicks number 1 threat when Melo or Stat isn't in the game and teams pack the paint, that's why Felton has to shoot. Don't take a Havard degree to figure out.

It's not like Jeremy Lins IQ is going to make him shoot jump shots any better when that's all teams give us of the pick and roll.

Anji, I have seen Felton play a lot. If I check the box score and he shoots 30% AND most posters say he had a bad game and took bad shots, do I really need to see the game? I mean I think I got the gist of his performance and know his game from his time here. His scoring is up but he is essentially the same across the board (outside of his much improved 3pt % this year) - Not a very intelligent PG. (Not stupid mind you, but more average in BBALL IQ).

Instead of making this an "I'm right and your wrong" type of argument, how about trying to see the point? We lost our #2 (reliable) option in Lin and replaced him with Felton. Can we complain about his game when it is bad? Do we have to be rosy about everything? Also, Felton takes a lot of shots (and misses) in close, I think his game 2 or 3 games ago had tons of point blank misses.

Looking to the future (playoffs) I am concerned about Felton shooting us out, especially when Melo is out of the game. If you haven't noticed, Lin is now shooting 40% FG and over the last 10 games he is at 47% (He had a torridly bad start. Oh, and his TO's are below 3). It was pretty clear he was playing not at 100%. Felton has been shooting 40% on the year but is at 36% the last 10 games. There is no excuse for that with the talent on this team, none. Let's talk about that and not make this an all or nothing argument. I do see Felton's pluses, clearly, but I also see his downside.

Let's just stick to more facts and less "Harvard degree" or "painful box score" watching comments to back our comments up with. I make due with what I have.

Well said Earthman

IrishKnickFan wrote:felton has to play better. Not just his shooting but his defense has been awful. I mean deron williams basically did what he wanted the last net game. Hopefully we get the raymond felton playing the heat more than raymond felton playing the nets this season

Felton needs to play better. We need him playing at an all star level every night. 19 and 8 is not enough. He shoots too much and the offense is stagnant. Felton's shot selection should be limited to 12 foot wide open jumpers only and he should never drive the ball to the rack. For him to not shut down Deron Williams is an insult to his potential.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:Jason Kidd needs to step up his defense. Kobe basically did what he wanted last night.

IrishKnickFan wrote:felton has to play better. Not just his shooting but his defense has been awful. I mean deron williams basically did what he wanted the last net game. Hopefully we get the raymond felton playing the heat more than raymond felton playing the nets this season

Felton needs to play better. We need him playing at an all star level every night. 19 and 8 is not enough. He shoots too much and the offense is stagnant. Felton's shot selection should be limited to 12 foot wide open jumpers only and he should never drive the ball to the rack. For him to not shut down Deron Williams is an insult to his potential.

i assume you are being sarcastic but im trying to be honest. I like felton buut hee needs to be more consistent

I dont think he shoots too much. He needs to keep defenses honest and if he's not hitting the open shot defenses can sag off him and when that happens things grind to a halt. Kidd's helped with that. I think when Amare (and Shump) come back Felton's shots go down a bit and his over all play improves. He's been great. One of my fav players easy. Very upset about that loss in Melo trade, thought we traded a real warrior and throwback Knick

fishmike wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:Jason Kidd needs to step up his defense. Kobe basically did what he wanted last night.

IrishKnickFan wrote:felton has to play better. Not just his shooting but his defense has been awful. I mean deron williams basically did what he wanted the last net game. Hopefully we get the raymond felton playing the heat more than raymond felton playing the nets this season

Felton needs to play better. We need him playing at an all star level every night. 19 and 8 is not enough. He shoots too much and the offense is stagnant. Felton's shot selection should be limited to 12 foot wide open jumpers only and he should never drive the ball to the rack. For him to not shut down Deron Williams is an insult to his potential.

i assume you are being sarcastic but im trying to be honest. I like felton buut hee needs to be more consistent

Irish is right. Overall I give Felton and A- because of his production to paycheck alone. Also this team wasnt set up for Felton to the 2nd scoring option. Thats for Amare or Melo. Felton should be the 3rd or 4th option but he's had to play a bigger role, and on some nights he's just not quite there.

I dont think he shoots too much. He needs to keep defenses honest and if he's not hitting the open shot defenses can sag off him and when that happens things grind to a halt. Kidd's helped with that. I think when Amare (and Shump) come back Felton's shots go down a bit and his over all play improves. He's been great. One of my fav players easy. Very upset about that loss in Melo trade, thought we traded a real warrior and throwback Knick