FeltonandAmare wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

FeltonarndAmare wrote:If you really want to face facts then read this article from an impartial source:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

P.S. Stop watching MSNBC which seems to be the source of most of your uninformed opinion.

Thanks, but I actually don't watch MSNBC..Never...By the way this is your "impartial source"....
(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)

FeltonarndAmare if this is your way of making a point, why bother. U can and should do much better. Republican advisor to the last presidential candidate just before an election wrote an opinion piece and you put that forward? Not even close to being credible

Bloomberg is an impartial source and the facts speak for themselves. Unfortunately, most of the posters on here are died in the wool Democrats and can't analyze anything expect through that filter. I've voted for both parties depending on who I feel is the country's best option. I'm not a slave to either party. Only an Obamatron can look at his record and think it is anything but a total disaster.

You add nothing to the discussion, kind of like the article you posted.

martin wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

FeltonarndAmare wrote:If you really want to face facts then read this article from an impartial source:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

P.S. Stop watching MSNBC which seems to be the source of most of your uninformed opinion.

Thanks, but I actually don't watch MSNBC..Never...By the way this is your "impartial source"....
(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)

FeltonarndAmare if this is your way of making a point, why bother. U can and should do much better. Republican advisor to the last presidential candidate just before an election wrote an opinion piece and you put that forward? Not even close to being credible

Bloomberg is an impartial source and the facts speak for themselves. Unfortunately, most of the posters on here are died in the wool Democrats and can't analyze anything expect through that filter. I've voted for both parties depending on who I feel is the country's best option. I'm not a slave to either party. Only an Obamatron can look at his record and think it is anything but a total disaster.

You add nothing to the discussion, kind of like the article you posted.

He can't be serious thinking this is a real unbiased piece to rebut anything being said around here...

FeltonandAmare, in effort to get a constructive conversation, Let's say most of us are in the dark about Obama and u are to enlightened us about his disastrous policies...Is there anything you can point to in order to shed light on these claims...Please refrain from using articles written by Republican operatives..Site policies that u have come across in your experience or not experienced that has been bad for the country...Lead us from our blindness if u have a few minutes...Basically, just looking for specifics..Then we could compare and contrast the differences...I think given that we are all Kincks fans ,we can have a frank discussion about the facts as opposed to a shouting match or using propaganda...

BRIGGS wrote:In my daughter's school today--Obama pulled out an 18 vote victory. This is a 5-7 grade school with approximately 500 kids.

MSG3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just read an article with Bruce Sprinsteen saying that he was "freaked out" after the first debate. This is truly the difference in the race. 68 million people is a LOT of people

People vote for strange reasons- can't believe so many people base their decision on one tv debate.

That's a huge generalization. Perhaps people don't like that the president hasn't delivered on a lot of promises pertaining to the economy. He also can't seem to work with anyone in congress, including his own party (when was the last time a President proposed a bill that got ZERO votes?). The fact that there has been a huge cover up on Benghazi doesn't help either.

I voted for Obama in 08. I will not be voting for him tomorrow.

Electoral vote:
Obama 307
Romney 231

Chance of Winning:
Obama 86%
Romney 14%

I hope that it isn't even that close.

nixluva wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just read an article with Bruce Sprinsteen saying that he was "freaked out" after the first debate. This is truly the difference in the race. 68 million people is a LOT of people

People vote for strange reasons- can't believe so many people base their decision on one tv debate.

That's a huge generalization. Perhaps people don't like that the president hasn't delivered on a lot of promises pertaining to the economy. He also can't seem to work with anyone in congress, including his own party (when was the last time a President proposed a bill that got ZERO votes?). The fact that there has been a huge cover up on Benghazi doesn't help either.

I voted for Obama in 08. I will not be voting for him tomorrow.

How can you have voted for what Obama stands for and now all of a sudden you don't stand for those things anymore? Please explain that to me! The biggest roadblock to what Obama wanted to do was THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS! Here's just a short list of things the Republicans blocked or tried to repeal:

1. Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.
2. Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.
3. Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill – Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block this.
4. The Small Business Jobs Act -would give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a second time and failed.
5. The DREAM Act- Gives immigrant youth who were brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.

Most of all the Republicans in the House never even put the Obama's "American Jobs Act" up for a vote.

Elements of the proposed bill

The White House provided a fact sheet which summarizes the key provisions of the $447 billion bill.[15] Some of its elements include:

1. Cutting and suspending $245 billion worth of payroll taxes for qualifying employers and 160 million medium to low income employees.
2. Spending $62 billion for a Pathways Back to Work Program for expanding opportunities for low-income youth and adults.
1. $49 billion - Extending unemployment benefits for up to 6 million long-term beneficiaries.
2. $8 billion - Jobs tax credit for the long term unemployed.
3. $5 billion - Pathways back to work fund.[15]
3. Spending $50 billion on both new & pre-existing infrastructure projects.
4. Spending $35 billion in additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters
5. Spending $30 billion to modernize at least 35,000 public schools and community colleges.
6. Spending $15 billion on a program that would hire construction workers to help rehabilitate and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes and businesses.
7. Creating the National Infrastructure Bank (capitalized with $10 billion), originally proposed in 2007, to help fund infrastructure via private and public capital.
8. Creating a nationwide, interoperable wireless network for public safety, while expanding accessibility to high-speed wireless services.
9. Prohibiting discrimination in hiring against persons who are unemployed because of their status as unemployed persons..
10. Loosening regulations on small businesses that wish to raise capital, including through crowdfunding, while retaining investor protections.

In total the legislation includes $253 billion in tax credits (56.6%) and $194 billion in spending and extension of unemployment benefits (43.4%).[15]

The Senate version of the Bill was scored by the CBO and they said it would decrease the deficit as well as create jobs!

The CBO and JCT estimate that, in total, enacting S. 1660 would decrease deficits by about $6 billion over the 2012-2021 period (see enclosed table). That estimated deficit reduction of $6 billion over the coming decade is the net effect of $447 billion in additional spending and tax cuts in titles II through III and $453 billion in additional tax revenue from the surtax specified in title IV.[...]

Now explain why a bill that was guaranteed to create jobs was rejected even tho it would reduce the deficit?

You lost your argument early in your argument. Both houses were democrat his first 2 years and he had to will his way to get the healthcare act to pass.

Why did I vote for him? Because he ran on a refreshing platform. Hope, change...the anti politician. The economy was so bad and everyone was so pessimistic that I was betting on a uniter, a scholar and someone that could capitalize on the momentum of the entire country wanting the change he was selling.

What did we get? The same bull**** rhetoric that every other politician is guilty of. But what makes it worse is that he promised something different and it was the only reason he was elected.

The day Obama lost me is when he called that pointless joint session of congress nationally televised speech on his jobs plan. The economy and the unemployment in this country was the number one problem he inherited. And he waited more than two years to even put out the illusion that he was trying to do something about it when it was really just an early campaign speech. He was screaming and yelling about how all congress has to do was sign the bill....the bill he hadn't even proposed yet. That day he proved to be just another in a long line of liars and sleazy politicians in Washington. Not the eloquent, uniting force he seemed to be.

At least you know what you're getting with Romney. A guy who will turn this economy around and most likely be socially moderate even though he pretended to be extremely socially conservative to get on the ticket.

MSG3 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just read an article with Bruce Sprinsteen saying that he was "freaked out" after the first debate. This is truly the difference in the race. 68 million people is a LOT of people

People vote for strange reasons- can't believe so many people base their decision on one tv debate.

That's a huge generalization. Perhaps people don't like that the president hasn't delivered on a lot of promises pertaining to the economy. He also can't seem to work with anyone in congress, including his own party (when was the last time a President proposed a bill that got ZERO votes?). The fact that there has been a huge cover up on Benghazi doesn't help either.

I voted for Obama in 08. I will not be voting for him tomorrow.

How can you have voted for what Obama stands for and now all of a sudden you don't stand for those things anymore? Please explain that to me! The biggest roadblock to what Obama wanted to do was THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS! Here's just a short list of things the Republicans blocked or tried to repeal:

1. Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.
2. Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.
3. Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill – Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block this.
4. The Small Business Jobs Act -would give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a second time and failed.
5. The DREAM Act- Gives immigrant youth who were brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.

Most of all the Republicans in the House never even put the Obama's "American Jobs Act" up for a vote.

Elements of the proposed bill

The White House provided a fact sheet which summarizes the key provisions of the $447 billion bill.[15] Some of its elements include:

1. Cutting and suspending $245 billion worth of payroll taxes for qualifying employers and 160 million medium to low income employees.
2. Spending $62 billion for a Pathways Back to Work Program for expanding opportunities for low-income youth and adults.
1. $49 billion - Extending unemployment benefits for up to 6 million long-term beneficiaries.
2. $8 billion - Jobs tax credit for the long term unemployed.
3. $5 billion - Pathways back to work fund.[15]
3. Spending $50 billion on both new & pre-existing infrastructure projects.
4. Spending $35 billion in additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters
5. Spending $30 billion to modernize at least 35,000 public schools and community colleges.
6. Spending $15 billion on a program that would hire construction workers to help rehabilitate and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes and businesses.
7. Creating the National Infrastructure Bank (capitalized with $10 billion), originally proposed in 2007, to help fund infrastructure via private and public capital.
8. Creating a nationwide, interoperable wireless network for public safety, while expanding accessibility to high-speed wireless services.
9. Prohibiting discrimination in hiring against persons who are unemployed because of their status as unemployed persons..
10. Loosening regulations on small businesses that wish to raise capital, including through crowdfunding, while retaining investor protections.

In total the legislation includes $253 billion in tax credits (56.6%) and $194 billion in spending and extension of unemployment benefits (43.4%).[15]

The Senate version of the Bill was scored by the CBO and they said it would decrease the deficit as well as create jobs!

The CBO and JCT estimate that, in total, enacting S. 1660 would decrease deficits by about $6 billion over the 2012-2021 period (see enclosed table). That estimated deficit reduction of $6 billion over the coming decade is the net effect of $447 billion in additional spending and tax cuts in titles II through III and $453 billion in additional tax revenue from the surtax specified in title IV.[...]

Now explain why a bill that was guaranteed to create jobs was rejected even tho it would reduce the deficit?

You lost your argument early in your argument. Both houses were democrat his first 2 years and he had to will his way to get the healthcare act to pass.

Why did I vote for him? Because he ran on a refreshing platform. Hope, change...the anti politician. The economy was so bad and everyone was so pessimistic that I was betting on a uniter, a scholar and someone that could capitalize on the momentum of the entire country wanting the change he was selling.

What did we get? The same bull**** rhetoric that every other politician is guilty of. But what makes it worse is that he promised something different and it was the only reason he was elected.

The day Obama lost me is when he called that pointless joint session of congress nationally televised speech on his jobs plan. The economy and the unemployment in this country was the number one problem he inherited. And he waited more than two years to even put out the illusion that he was trying to do something about it when it was really just an early campaign speech. He was screaming and yelling about how all congress has to do was sign the bill....the bill he hadn't even proposed yet. That day he proved to be just another in a long line of liars and sleazy politicians in Washington. Not the eloquent, uniting force he seemed to be.

At least you know what you're getting with Romney. A guy who will turn this economy around and most likely be socially moderate even though he pretended to be extremely socially conservative to get on the ticket.