Mray20 wrote:Lin not playing tonight sounds like his knee might be worse than the team and him are letting on, he needs all the reps he can get so it doesn't make sense to sit him if he's not injured

Watched the Nets. They don't look better than the Knicks.

Jeremy Lin (knee) isn't sure whether he'll play on Monday, the second of back-to-back preseason games.
Lin shot just 1-of-10 from the field on Sunday but said that his knee felt "fine," and he is simply trying to get a rhythm with his new teammates. Oct 14 - 5:32 PM
Source: Rockets.com

Not using the knee as an excuse, good for him.

AnubisADL wrote:Still waiting for Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Nate Robinson, Anthony Randolph, and Mozgov to live up to their potential.

Lol.

still waiting for carmelo to live up to his.... the difference is, he had 10 years, those other guys haven't.....

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

exactly... just because some teams were willing to overpay you does not mean you are no longer overpaid....

You sound extremely ridiculous. The market dictates a players value. Multiple experienced GM's believed Melo was worth every cent and were actively seeking to trade for Melo. Somehow, you seem to think you know more than multiple experienced NBA GM's! Your soreness about Gallo and Lin has totally decimated your ability to discuss the Knicks in a reasonable fashion. It's a shame. I believe you use to be a good poster assuming you are the same TKF from realgm.

NUPE YOU ARe a hopeless HOMER.. sorry no other way to put it... no offense bro.... seriously...

Multiple experienced GM's believed Melo was worth every cent

name them and show me quotes where they said that... when it comes to production, melo is grossly overpaid.... what someone is willing to pay does not determine if they are overpaid or not, there is a value for guys like melo.. we are just paying a lot more.. especially if you base it on production...

Better to be hopeless, disgruntled and angry?

Once we GROSSLY overpaid for Amare then there was no longer such a thing as "overpaid"

Seriously bro - why can't you wait for the season to start and try to enjoy it. If they lose, scream and stamp. If they win, go with it. Can you really enjoy being a fan anymore? If not, why bother putting yourself through this misery.

ITS JUST BASKETBALL. Do you really think that it should consume you the way it does?

GustavBahler wrote:The plot thickens...

Jeremy Lin (knee) isn't sure whether he'll play on Monday, the second of back-to-back preseason games.
Lin shot just 1-of-10 from the field on Sunday but said that his knee felt "fine," and he is simply trying to get a rhythm with his new teammates. Oct 14 - 5:32 PM
Source: Rockets.com

Not using the knee as an excuse, good for him.

If he was still in NY the media and some posters would be in full meltdown mode. Apparently Amar'e was a bum and a disgraced weakling for missing 2 preseason games with a knee injury, but I suspect the same posters who accused Amar'e, will marvel at the wonder of Lin and be cool with him doing exactly the same thing.

Really, when did people forget what happens in preseason?! Players are kept out of games as a precaution, because its preseason!

GustavBahler wrote:

Stat's injury came from a collision so I dont understand the anger either. If it was something else I would understand the concern given his history of knee problems.

I do believe that Lin's recovery is a legitimate concern since he is still apparently suffering the after effects of surgery. Lin is in his early 20s, not a veteran who has gone through microfracture surgery.

Im glad Lin is brushing aside the talk that his knee had something to do with his performance. Im pretty sure its what an old schooler like McHale wants to hear, even if Lin's knee is still bothering him.

Pretty much.

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:DirecTV League Pass serving me well.

Watched the Nets. They don't look better than the Knicks.

actually they do, and blatche seems to be a pleasant surprise...

Just out of curiosity- why does hatred of the current Knicks seemingly have to go hand in hand with blind optimism for every other team? I'm not having a dig TKF, I know you have your issues with these Knicks, but I just find it bizzare that every pessimistic Knick fan seems to love and see only positive things for other teams.

So far (in 2 preseason games), Blatche looks good (only seen the boxscore), while their big bench signing Teletovic has looked like absolute trash. But it's only been 2 preseason games.

I don't honestly see how people can argue one team looks better than the other in only 2 preseason games, where the starters only play for 20mins or so...

Because this is a knick FAN forum, and to come here and say another team "looks better" after "only 2 preseason games, where the starters only play for 20mins or so" is like trolling trying to start something.

If someone thinks the nets look better after "only 2 preseason games, where the starters only play for 20mins or so" keep it to yourself or post good things on the other teams' forum.

I like coming here for "pure Knicks love" not pessimistic reality about the Knicks (I can go to espn for that).

DurzoBlint wrote:As some one who didn't want him to leave but, isn't pissed that we lost him I find this thread really illuminating. Illuminating in the way that some folks think you can project a guys season based on 2preseason game.
I also think its funny that guys are also saying he took the league by surprise and things will be different. I'd be ok with that statement if he'd only played in a few games. The fact is he played long enough for the scouting reports to come out and we saw a difference once it did. For a game or two his stats took a dip but, he and adjusted. I can't say I was totally pleased with the adjustment because his assists took a dip since he began to focus more on scoring the ball which, he did well.
I was expecting Woody to work on blending his scoring into his offense along with learning to do a better job of getting Melo and Stat involved in the offense. That to me was his biggest weakness. Sure he was able to connect with Novak (reports our out that JR assisted on most of them) and Chandler who has a talent for rolling to the basket but, seemed unable to really mesh with Melo or Amare. His pick n roll could be much better for a guard in New York as well as being able to benefit Amare.
All I all I saw him as a YOUNG point guard with potential. Young point guard will have ups and downs and the learning curve is steeper for them but, I feel he can be a solid guard in this league.

Totally true man, all these guys bashing Lin so early are not paying close attention to the actual NBA game. Their love for the Knicks have blind them completely, that if tomorrow the Knicks trade Shumpert (plus picks as usual) for Ray Allen, a lot of these guys will be all for it, siting how this team is built to win now, without realizing that we may not even be a Top 10 NBA team right now.

I believe most in the NBA don’t expect Lin to be a franchise player, otherwise he wouldn’t have gone undrafted or he would have commanded MAX money in free agency, since that’s what typically franchise players get. However, I do think Lin is more talented than any point guard the Knicks currently have and with the proper mentorship and his already good work ethic, he could be a much better player making the Knicks more of a threat.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:DirecTV League Pass serving me well.

Watched the Nets. They don't look better than the Knicks.

actually they do, and blatche seems to be a pleasant surprise...

Just out of curiosity- why does hatred of the current Knicks seemingly have to go hand in hand with blind optimism for every other team? I'm not having a dig TKF, I know you have your issues with these Knicks, but I just find it bizzare that every pessimistic Knick fan seems to love and see only positive things for other teams.

So far (in 2 preseason games), Blatche looks good (only seen the boxscore), while their big bench signing Teletovic has looked like absolute trash. But it's only been 2 preseason games.

I don't honestly see how people can argue one team looks better than the other in only 2 preseason games, where the starters only play for 20mins or so...

Because this is a knick FAN forum, and to come here and say another team "looks better" after "only 2 preseason games, where the starters only play for 20mins or so" is like trolling trying to start something.

If someone thinks the nets look better after "only 2 preseason games, where the starters only play for 20mins or so" keep it to yourself or post good things on the other teams' forum.

I like coming here for "pure Knicks love" not pessimistic reality about the Knicks (I can go to espn for that).

Actually the Nets starters played longer because it was a close game through out...The wasn't a pre-season game for the Nets, it was the first at Barclays...

good point holfresh. This was more than a preseason game for them. This was opening night at the the home of the nets so of course they treated it like an important game. I still feel the nets are overrated. I mean yes they improved but they dont have the depth to go far. The knicks when healthy have much more depth and experience

BroPez is underrated in many parts. Not that IM nut hugging him but at the very least in Preseason his blocks and rebounds are up compared to his career. NOt to agree with shaq to say he is better than Howard but I have mentioned him cautiously as a top 10 center but he could be a top 5 stat wise.

I agree the Nets bench while inexperienced has some youth to it which gives them room to develope and potentially be promoted or traded down the road. Knicks are built for "NOW" and the "experience" should benefit them if they can be reasonably healthy.

Im on record early that Blatch could be a huge asset for them if his head is right. NO great instight here as he is talented but a bone head. This depth can really go along way this season. I would expect he will get better offers unless the Nets can pay him a fair wage. I doubt many teams will want to invest long term with him, he is sort of on probation as is JR Smith.

To be fair, I thought knicks starting five are equal to the Nets with the balance tipping on BroPez vs. Tyson who bring different things to the court. perhaps the true difference will be chemistry.

This is all subjective stuff and fun to talk about, but its about the games and thats what really counts!

Preseason is not the end all but for players looking to make a statement you can look a bit deeper. Melo need not make a statement but Felton does. Nets are really hyped now and big pressure to come out of the gate strong. The eyes of the world are on them. Im sure if the knicks start 0-2 we'll panic but really its just 2 games and Miami is the reigning champs!

Im glad game one is a KNick/N*t game and the NBA had the stones to do it. I suprised Dolan allowed it to happen. I don't know if the teams have a choice.

jrodmc wrote:

Haven't we seen this before? DWill goes down for extended periods, BrokePez is out (again), what are you going to be watching at the Barclays? Gerald Wallace? Joe Johnson? If the teams were switched, this forum would be worse than a suicide psychological counseling hotline.

The Nets have a good squad. It's just a question as to whether they gel and stay healthy.

It's odd to me that the same people hyping the Nets are the same ones that bash the Knicks. These are the same people crying about Melo / Amar'e being overpaid but seem to have no issue with the Nets absorbing Joe J's contract and/or the Lopez contract. These are the same people that bash Amar'e and Melo for having "bad seasons" last year but never raise the fact that Deron also had a horrendous season last year. These are just terrible posters.

I think both teams will be competitive (Nets and Knicks) and time will tell regarding which team is better. Not much can be properly judged based on pre-season.