ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Oh and we got melo for gallo and wilson. We got NADA for Lin. THE END

I'd say we did pretty well for ourselves in free agency. Not resigning Lin probably led to:

-Jason Kidd
-Marcus Camby
-Kurt Thomas
-Raymond Felton
-Pablo Prigioni
-Ronnie Brewer

If anything we have a more balanced, defensive, experienced roster than with Lin.

I can't argue that we got some very good talent. But if some people are complaining cause Lin got banged up and missed some games, what are the chances it doesn't happen with the following?
Kidd - late 30's
Camby - late 30's
Kurt Thomas - late 30's
Prigioni - 35

In two years we are going to have 2 or 3 players that are 40 years old. I know we are in win now mode, but it was ridiculous to let Lin walk with everything coming off our books shortly. We needed youth, that fire. We have some very good defensive players but they are also very old and declining every year. I'm really not expecting much from the new guys, not anywhere near what I knew Lin would have given us. Yeah, I'm all for experience, but I do wonder how that helps us against über athletic teams like Miami.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NUPE wrote:Apparently Lin is the second coming of Chris Paul and/or John Stockton. TKF has it all figured out and all the analyst, experts, gm's, and coaches that believe Lin is an average player - at best - have it wrong.

When people start calling Melo and Amar'e career losers while simultaneously claiming the Knicks made the playoffs solely because of Lin then I know it is time for me to exit a thread for good. Such an argument or assertion is so wholly baseless and ridiculous and does not warrant a credible response.

People that make such absurd claims, as above, also cried about trading away Gallo and Chandler and Felton and assorted other average players that have shown no ability to even carry a team into the playoffs. LMAO!

Pretty much. The same guys crying about Lin are the same guys that wept when Gallo was taken from their warm embrace.

Wrong. If im crying about Lin its because it is justified. I can usually make a case for losing a beloved player like lee and even ewing. Losing Lin is just inexplicabke

Can't see how a small sample size(25 starts) can justify a $25 million payday. That's like paying Jerome James $30million for 1 great first round playoff series he had with the Seattle Sonics.

Oh no! You pulled out the "Jerome James" card?

Ouch!

KNicks historically we got a whole deck of cards to play with!

KNicks paid Larry Brown 18mm for ONE SEASON!

Paid Marbury 20mm to go home! And we took Penny's contract to get this guy! Add Penny's 30 mil to Marbury's!

Paid Jailin Rose's last money.

And we can't fine the Money to pay for Lin?

Exactly great points Nalod! Thanks for backing my post. Now the Knicks actually are making good basketball moves.

So after squandering almost 200mm paying Lin a good contract to block any poisen pill before it becomes an issue is a good move.

Its like a crack addict who also drinks a quart of gin each day and smokes 2 packs of cigeretts refuse a Diet Coke because "suger subsitutes are not good for you".

Right. It's a new era of "Responsible" management. Who wants to see the same pattern of that last decade(Layden and IT overspending, trading, and flipping bad contract for bad contract) over and over again. Now you're seeing what I'm seeing. Everyone's signed up for the same time frame. All the big contracts are main players on the team, and the role players are easily moveable. If we don't succeed, 3 years from now we can blow it up no problem. All I know is the roster currently constructed actually makes sense. First time in awhile, we can say that about he Knicks. Lin only thrived really under D'Antoni's system. He was average under Woodson's system, and is probably average for the rest of his career. Don't think you can give Rondo money in year 3 to an average point guard.

One more time:

It never should have gotten to the point where a Poison Pill is presented. Don't leave ourselves volunerable.

Once we let Lin free to get offers we lost control. We would not have had to pay him "rondo" money.

Believe someone stated under this CBA we could only offer Lin a meager contract, some would say would be considered a "lowball" offer. Hiring that Shark agency, would be doubtful we'd get a reasonable contract offer from Houston, especially the 2nd reneged one. We actually hooked Lin up by letting him set the market.

gunsnewing wrote:It was reported that lin was upset with the knicks for keeping him out of usa select

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Oh and we got melo for gallo and wilson. We got NADA for Lin. THE END

I'd say we did pretty well for ourselves in free agency. Not resigning Lin probably led to:

-Jason Kidd
-Marcus Camby
-Kurt Thomas
-Raymond Felton
-Pablo Prigioni
-Ronnie Brewer

If anything we have a more balanced, defensive, experienced roster than with Lin.

I LOVE kid and camby, especially when they were in their primes.. but lets be real, those guys are nearing 40, prigioni is a mystery, and brewer is garbage...

we did get more experienced, but we also got old.. don't forget, we also let fields go as well..

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NUPE wrote:Apparently Lin is the second coming of Chris Paul and/or John Stockton. TKF has it all figured out and all the analyst, experts, gm's, and coaches that believe Lin is an average player - at best - have it wrong.

When people start calling Melo and Amar'e career losers while simultaneously claiming the Knicks made the playoffs solely because of Lin then I know it is time for me to exit a thread for good. Such an argument or assertion is so wholly baseless and ridiculous and does not warrant a credible response.

People that make such absurd claims, as above, also cried about trading away Gallo and Chandler and Felton and assorted other average players that have shown no ability to even carry a team into the playoffs. LMAO!

Pretty much. The same guys crying about Lin are the same guys that wept when Gallo was taken from their warm embrace.

Wrong. If im crying about Lin its because it is justified. I can usually make a case for losing a beloved player like lee and even ewing. Losing Lin is just inexplicabke

Can't see how a small sample size(25 starts) can justify a $25 million payday. That's like paying Jerome James $30million for 1 great first round playoff series he had with the Seattle Sonics.

Oh no! You pulled out the "Jerome James" card?

Ouch!

KNicks historically we got a whole deck of cards to play with!

KNicks paid Larry Brown 18mm for ONE SEASON!

Paid Marbury 20mm to go home! And we took Penny's contract to get this guy! Add Penny's 30 mil to Marbury's!

Paid Jailin Rose's last money.

And we can't fine the Money to pay for Lin?

not only that nalod, but don't we pay lottery picks millions of dollars before they play one NBA game. at least with lin we got to see him play 25, at a high level..

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NUPE wrote:Apparently Lin is the second coming of Chris Paul and/or John Stockton. TKF has it all figured out and all the analyst, experts, gm's, and coaches that believe Lin is an average player - at best - have it wrong.

When people start calling Melo and Amar'e career losers while simultaneously claiming the Knicks made the playoffs solely because of Lin then I know it is time for me to exit a thread for good. Such an argument or assertion is so wholly baseless and ridiculous and does not warrant a credible response.

People that make such absurd claims, as above, also cried about trading away Gallo and Chandler and Felton and assorted other average players that have shown no ability to even carry a team into the playoffs. LMAO!

Pretty much. The same guys crying about Lin are the same guys that wept when Gallo was taken from their warm embrace.

Wrong. If im crying about Lin its because it is justified. I can usually make a case for losing a beloved player like lee and even ewing. Losing Lin is just inexplicabke

Can't see how a small sample size(25 starts) can justify a $25 million payday. That's like paying Jerome James $30million for 1 great first round playoff series he had with the Seattle Sonics.

Oh no! You pulled out the "Jerome James" card?

Ouch!

KNicks historically we got a whole deck of cards to play with!

KNicks paid Larry Brown 18mm for ONE SEASON!

Paid Marbury 20mm to go home! And we took Penny's contract to get this guy! Add Penny's 30 mil to Marbury's!

Paid Jailin Rose's last money.

And we can't fine the Money to pay for Lin?

not only that nalod, but don't we pay lottery picks millions of dollars before they play one NBA game. at least with lin we got to see him play 25, at a high level..

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NUPE wrote:Apparently Lin is the second coming of Chris Paul and/or John Stockton. TKF has it all figured out and all the analyst, experts, gm's, and coaches that believe Lin is an average player - at best - have it wrong.

When people start calling Melo and Amar'e career losers while simultaneously claiming the Knicks made the playoffs solely because of Lin then I know it is time for me to exit a thread for good. Such an argument or assertion is so wholly baseless and ridiculous and does not warrant a credible response.

People that make such absurd claims, as above, also cried about trading away Gallo and Chandler and Felton and assorted other average players that have shown no ability to even carry a team into the playoffs. LMAO!

Pretty much. The same guys crying about Lin are the same guys that wept when Gallo was taken from their warm embrace.

Wrong. If im crying about Lin its because it is justified. I can usually make a case for losing a beloved player like lee and even ewing. Losing Lin is just inexplicabke

Can't see how a small sample size(25 starts) can justify a $25 million payday. That's like paying Jerome James $30million for 1 great first round playoff series he had with the Seattle Sonics.

Oh no! You pulled out the "Jerome James" card?

Ouch!

KNicks historically we got a whole deck of cards to play with!

KNicks paid Larry Brown 18mm for ONE SEASON!

Paid Marbury 20mm to go home! And we took Penny's contract to get this guy! Add Penny's 30 mil to Marbury's!

Paid Jailin Rose's last money.

And we can't fine the Money to pay for Lin?

not only that nalod, but don't we pay lottery picks millions of dollars before they play one NBA game. at least with lin we got to see him play 25, at a high level..

I believe the amount lottery picks are paid is set by the league/cba.

I understand and that is irrelevant, the fact that we pay kids millions based on potential is nothing new.. so saying lin only played 25 games and didn't deserve the money is ridiculous..

That shyt is imprinted in my brain forever.

ChuckBuck wrote:I'll just leave this for the Linophiles:

That shyt is imprinted in my brain forever.

This is more than likely what was happening in practice with the Warriors and Rockets which is why both teams cut him but nobody wants to believe that. Linsanity was a nice story but lets not act like it was a a full season , Don't know if there are any Yankee fans here but I remember Joba Chamberlain for 2 months in 2007 was lights out , people were calling him the next Roger Clemens and after that sucked, remember Shane Spencer hitting 10 home runs in September 3 of which were grand slams , next season sucked, anyone remember Shelley Duncan came up and was on fire and then trash the next season, and don't give me oh baseball is a different sport the pitchers figure you out and batters , the point is 25 games IS A SMALL SAMPLE!!