dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Leader schmeader. Melo just needs to stop taking stupid shots.

He does take stupid shots and that is certainly holding him back.

Cool...I didn't think you would acknowledge this actually.

I have stated this numerous times. I know he has flaws, I just think that he can really help a team since he is one of the most talented and clutch players.

It sucks when he pulls up for jumpers when he is trying to shoot himself into games. He sort of thinks and feel that these shots will all fall and they feel great but they are often not.

It is also great when he is unstoppable and coaches have no idea how to stop him. I remember when SVG was asked about Howard and he answered "I just need to figure out how to deal with Carmelo Anthony".

He has that ability and is not a bad guy. He just at times wants to do it alone and does not trust his teammates enough. Does he need more trust able teammates? Of course but that certainly does not always excuse his shot selection.

As I've said, Kobe has this same problem (awful shot selection), it was just covered up more since he was surrounded with better guys. WE KNOW THAT KOBE IS A GREAT DEFENDER AND HAS OTHER QUALITIES - LETS NOT GET INTO THAT PLEASE.

Melo shoots 46 pct for his career which is not too bad, we just both know that he has the potential to be over 50 pct. And, he averaged 3.6 assists this past year which was better but we both know that he can/should be at 4+.

Can he/Will he do this? Will he have a good cast? Will he trust them? We will see.

you make valid observations. i have always thought with bryant it was a character issue, he has possessed the talent and he acquired the skills but he was more interested in winning the battle even if it meant losing the war.

what i mean is he allowed ego to trump strategy. this translates as a lack of leadership. when you are trying to build a team you have to involve other players even when you don't trust them. how else will you engender chemistry, cohesion and focus? the answer is you won't. look at how badly his teams played between shaq and gasol. he had contempt for his teammates and leaders don't have contempt they try to involve and encourage.

this is anthony's problem. it isn't that every shot he takes he thinks is a good shot. it's that he doesn't understand what it means to build a team culture. he should be interested in sacrificing his own numbers for the sake of making others grow their games.

I clearly remember a time when it was reported that cuttino mobley and Steve francis while with the rockets intentionally would freeze our shandon anderson..... now shandon wasn't really a good player, but he played hard and was a good team mate I thought it was a douchebag thing to do and never liked either guy since then.

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:
you make valid observations. i have always thought with bryant it was a character issue, he has possessed the talent and he acquired the skills but he was more interested in winning the battle even if it meant losing the war.

what i mean is he allowed ego to trump strategy. this translates as a lack of leadership. when you are trying to build a team you have to involve other players even when you don't trust them. how else will you engender chemistry, cohesion and focus? the answer is you won't. look at how badly his teams played between shaq and gasol. he had contempt for his teammates and leaders don't have contempt they try to involve and encourage.

this is anthony's problem. it isn't that every shot he takes he thinks is a good shot. it's that he doesn't understand what it means to build a team culture. he should be interested in sacrificing his own numbers for the sake of making others grow their games.

I agree with all this and readily admit that Melo is inclined to force up bad bad shots. Kobe has been and continues to prosper despite an awful shot selection due to playing with insanely overpowered font-courts.

yes it's the reason why i think bryant is a bit overrated. he has front office that is, shall we say, pretty well connected. for all his improved footwork and great shooting fundamentals, he has historically had tunnelvision. inexcusable given his talent and skill level really but that's ego for you.

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:
you make valid observations. i have always thought with bryant it was a character issue, he has possessed the talent and he acquired the skills but he was more interested in winning the battle even if it meant losing the war.

what i mean is he allowed ego to trump strategy. this translates as a lack of leadership. when you are trying to build a team you have to involve other players even when you don't trust them. how else will you engender chemistry, cohesion and focus? the answer is you won't. look at how badly his teams played between shaq and gasol. he had contempt for his teammates and leaders don't have contempt they try to involve and encourage.

this is anthony's problem. it isn't that every shot he takes he thinks is a good shot. it's that he doesn't understand what it means to build a team culture. he should be interested in sacrificing his own numbers for the sake of making others grow their games.

I agree with all this and readily admit that Melo is inclined to force up bad bad shots. Kobe has been and continues to prosper despite an awful shot selection due to playing with insanely overpowered font-courts.

yes it's the reason why i think bryant is a bit overrated. he has front office that is, shall we say, pretty well connected. for all his improved footwork and great shooting fundamentals, he has historically had tunnelvision. inexcusable given his talent and skill level really but that's ego for you.

Yea, what makes things worse is that Kobe is an insanely skilled player. Kobe could easily put up something like 24 ppg and 8ish assists on like 47% fg if he tried. However, he is so focused on scoring.

Melo is from the same mold as Kobe though. He is first and foremost a scorer and really places a lot of stock in that. He is not as efficient as I'd like a primary scorer to be.

The Heat have the best two players in the league, Wade and LeBron, in that they are massively efficient, willing passers, play great d while also putting up 22+ ppg.

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

Still waiting for you to own up for the past 1 1/2 years.

Own what??? I barely post here.................

I apologize if you were not one of the supporters of the Melo trade but I could have sworn you were. We've since gone .470 in games he's played in.

Of course I support the trade, no need to apologize. I don't post that much, so it's not too hard for me to tell you where I stand.

Melo: Supported it, worth way more than anything we gave up
Amare: I think he should be traded, injury prone, indecline, doesn't do much more than PnR
MDA: Hated him, argued with Nix all the time, this season blows up he get's a little "vindication"(doubt it)
Lin: Supported the move, also think Felton pretty much approximates what ever Lin does this season for half the price tag. Ie) Lin 16/7 43% Felton 14/7 41%

Think those are my big sticking points in my mind and the book isn't completely closed on any of those situations, so what do you want me to own right now???
86 games with Melo??? What happened to "small sample size" and what not??? If things fall apart or are under expectations, I'll own anything I said.

+1..Will do that trade again and 2 times on Sunday!!!

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Leader schmeader. Melo just needs to stop taking stupid shots.

He does take stupid shots and that is certainly holding him back.

Cool...I didn't think you would acknowledge this actually.

I have stated this numerous times. I know he has flaws, I just think that he can really help a team since he is one of the most talented and clutch players.

It sucks when he pulls up for jumpers when he is trying to shoot himself into games. He sort of thinks and feel that these shots will all fall and they feel great but they are often not.

It is also great when he is unstoppable and coaches have no idea how to stop him. I remember when SVG was asked about Howard and he answered "I just need to figure out how to deal with Carmelo Anthony".

He has that ability and is not a bad guy. He just at times wants to do it alone and does not trust his teammates enough. Does he need more trust able teammates? Of course but that certainly does not always excuse his shot selection.

As I've said, Kobe has this same problem (awful shot selection), it was just covered up more since he was surrounded with better guys. WE KNOW THAT KOBE IS A GREAT DEFENDER AND HAS OTHER QUALITIES - LETS NOT GET INTO THAT PLEASE.

Melo shoots 46 pct for his career which is not too bad, we just both know that he has the potential to be over 50 pct. And, he averaged 3.6 assists this past year which was better but we both know that he can/should be at 4+.

Can he/Will he do this? Will he have a good cast? Will he trust them? We will see.

you make valid observations. i have always thought with bryant it was a character issue, he has possessed the talent and he acquired the skills but he was more interested in winning the battle even if it meant losing the war.

what i mean is he allowed ego to trump strategy. this translates as a lack of leadership. when you are trying to build a team you have to involve other players even when you don't trust them. how else will you engender chemistry, cohesion and focus? the answer is you won't. look at how badly his teams played between shaq and gasol. he had contempt for his teammates and leaders don't have contempt they try to involve and encourage.

this is anthony's problem. it isn't that every shot he takes he thinks is a good shot. it's that he doesn't understand what it means to build a team culture. he should be interested in sacrificing his own numbers for the sake of making others grow their games.

Name me a great scorer that didn't force up bad shots? They all do/did. From Dominique, to Jordan, to Kobe, to Durant, to Aquirre, to English, to Drexler, to Melo, to Iverson.....and so on. Some are inclined to take more bad shots than others, but that's the scorer's mentality. We knew what we were getting when added Melo to the team, a pure scorer who can deliver in the clutch. Not sure why some are acting surprised or even complaining when he forces up some bad shots when that's been his make-up since 'Cuse.

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:So our best player, on our favorite team gets picked to finish 3rd in the MVP voting, and all most Knick fans can do is complain, call him overrated and rip his game apart? Knick fans, gotta love em

He got one vote. Who cares? Mr. 470 deserves all the criticism he's gotten so far.

Apparently, you care, other wise why did you bring this to the boards attention other than to criticize and complain about his game some more? Pretty sure if K Love was picked to finish 3rd in the MVP voting, the Minny fans wouldn't be out in a "wolf-pack" tearing his game apart....

holfresh wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

Still waiting for you to own up for the past 1 1/2 years.

Own what??? I barely post here.................

I apologize if you were not one of the supporters of the Melo trade but I could have sworn you were. We've since gone .470 in games he's played in.

Of course I support the trade, no need to apologize. I don't post that much, so it's not too hard for me to tell you where I stand.

Melo: Supported it, worth way more than anything we gave up
Amare: I think he should be traded, injury prone, indecline, doesn't do much more than PnR
MDA: Hated him, argued with Nix all the time, this season blows up he get's a little "vindication"(doubt it)
Lin: Supported the move, also think Felton pretty much approximates what ever Lin does this season for half the price tag. Ie) Lin 16/7 43% Felton 14/7 41%

Think those are my big sticking points in my mind and the book isn't completely closed on any of those situations, so what do you want me to own right now???
86 games with Melo??? What happened to "small sample size" and what not??? If things fall apart or are under expectations, I'll own anything I said.

+1..Will do that trade again and 2 times on Sunday!!!

I am sure you would.... winning comes second to seeing guys jab step and go on mini scoring streaks....

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

Still waiting for you to own up for the past 1 1/2 years.

Own what??? I barely post here.................

I apologize if you were not one of the supporters of the Melo trade but I could have sworn you were. We've since gone .470 in games he's played in.

Of course I support the trade, no need to apologize. I don't post that much, so it's not too hard for me to tell you where I stand.

Melo: Supported it, worth way more than anything we gave up
Amare: I think he should be traded, injury prone, indecline, doesn't do much more than PnR
MDA: Hated him, argued with Nix all the time, this season blows up he get's a little "vindication"(doubt it)
Lin: Supported the move, also think Felton pretty much approximates what ever Lin does this season for half the price tag. Ie) Lin 16/7 43% Felton 14/7 41%

Think those are my big sticking points in my mind and the book isn't completely closed on any of those situations, so what do you want me to own right now???
86 games with Melo??? What happened to "small sample size" and what not??? If things fall apart or are under expectations, I'll own anything I said.

+1..Will do that trade again and 2 times on Sunday!!!

I am sure you would.... winning comes second to seeing guys jab step and go on mini scoring streaks....

Bonn will tell u..The best stretch the Knicks have bad in 10 years is the 18-6 stretch...Melo is a much better player than Gallo..Felton is better than Lin..So please tell me who is putting individualism ahead of team...