Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.

So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?

Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.

MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.

We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.

Melo and Amare got what there market value dictated. Its not like NOBODY else was willing to give what we did. While we may have given up to much through a fans point of view. The theory proves correct that replenishing depth is the easier part as the next season we have one of the deepest teams in the league after trading away half the team. Lin may have been luck, but Shumpert, Davis, Novak, Harrellson, Jeffries, Smith, Chandler have all proven to be solid pick ups.

Having money tied up to Melo and Amare is a lot easier to work around then having you money tied up to James, Jeffries, Curry, Francis, Marbury, Malik Rose.

Really? No other team was willing to give close to 5 guaranteed, uninsured max contract years for Amare and I didn't hear of any team willing to give up what we gave up for Melo either. Regardless, I wouldn't base my decisions on what the market is willing to pay for a player since the market is based largely on misguided conceptions of player value.

So you believe Amare would have went through all of free agency without ending up with a max contract? IMO Golden State Warriors would have ponied up the money no problem if Amare showed a desire to go there. As would many other teams through sign a trade like Philly, Chicago, Bobcats, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Sacramento, Washington. Amare was signed to lure James so he did have some leverage. If we didn't end up with Amare we would have lost out on every single big time free agent out there which would have set us back. There are a ton of teams that would have gave up a ton for Melo too if he desired to go there.

All of that is moot at this point right now regardless as all that overspending has not stopped us from wielding one of the deeper teams in the league right now.

MDA struggled not because of the roster moves made, but because of his inability to adapt and adjust. Mike Woodson seems to prove that every day.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.

So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?

Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.

MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.

We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.

Melo and Amare got what there market value dictated. Its not like NOBODY else was willing to give what we did. While we may have given up to much through a fans point of view. The theory proves correct that replenishing depth is the easier part as the next season we have one of the deepest teams in the league after trading away half the team. Lin may have been luck, but Shumpert, Davis, Novak, Harrellson, Jeffries, Smith, Chandler have all proven to be solid pick ups.

Having money tied up to Melo and Amare is a lot easier to work around then having you money tied up to James, Jeffries, Curry, Francis, Marbury, Malik Rose.

Really? No other team was willing to give close to 5 guaranteed, uninsured max contract years for Amare and I didn't hear of any team willing to give up what we gave up for Melo either. Regardless, I wouldn't base my decisions on what the market is willing to pay for a player since the market is based largely on misguided conceptions of player value.

So you believe Amare would have went through all of free agency without ending up with a max contract? IMO Golden State Warriors would have ponied up the money no problem if Amare showed a desire to go there. As would many other teams through sign a trade like Philly, Chicago, Bobcats, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Sacramento, Washington. Amare was signed to lure James so he did have some leverage. If we didn't end up with Amare we would have lost out on every single big time free agent out there which would have set us back. There are a ton of teams that would have gave up a ton for Melo too if he desired to go there.

All of that is moot at this point right now regardless as all that overspending has not stopped us from wielding one of the deeper teams in the league right now.

MDA struggled not because of the roster moves made, but because of his inability to adapt and adjust. Mike Woodson seems to prove that every day.

I know of no reports of teams willing to offer him a max length, max salary, uninsured, guaranteed (meaning not even any team options) contract.

That is because like me and most fans you don't have access to every single conversation a players agent and gm have. But the question is if a team like the Warriors or Wizards or Cavs were able to land Amare for the same price do you believe they would say no?

Now how has Amare's contract hurt MDA's ability to coach the Knicks so far? Or I should say in the past.

mrKnickShot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

What do you do? You go 2 and 8 and get asked to pack your sh1t.

misterearl wrote:We Miss You Jared

"I think it’s unfair to say that Carmelo, one way or the other, has picked up his play that much and that’s why we’re winning and why we were losing. That’s unfair.”

Get Well Soon

Good to see Melo's getting support from his teammates. Love the brotherhood of the team.

misterearl wrote:Drugs?

Flip Bondy guarantees te KNicks will never win a ring. This is the same writer who proclaimed in a big headline, "Mike Woodson looks to cater to NY Knicks' Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire instead of Mike D'Antoni's democratic offense."

D'Antoni had brief fun with Linsanity, but now it's back to 2-star system

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/mike-woodson-ny-knicks-cater-carmelo-anthony-amar-e-stoudemire-mike-antoni-free-flowing-democratic-offense-article-1.1040125#ixzz1q8OhlcDL

Does papabear really think that Amar'e was/ is on drugs?

Or is Carmelo allowed to accept medication for his pain?

Nah.

Wow, glad to see Flip Bondy go out on a limb with that prediction. We haven't won a ring in over 40 years. The quality of journalism has really gone into the toilet with the emergence of sensationalism, shock articles and the emergence of so many news outlets.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.

So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?

Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.

MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.

Great post. The dysfunciton that the guys had to go through that coached during the Isiah era was horrible. D'Antoni had a very nice situation with Walsh. While the roster was in transition, any malcontent or player that D'Antoni didn't want was purged by Walsh. Walsh also never missed an opportunity to back and defend D'Antoni in the press. Also, lack of results, player development, poor coaching etc. was excused because the team was in transition and Mike 'was put in a tough spot.' Wilkins and Chaney were treated like sh@t by their gm.

Who were the players that MDA fail to develop here in New York? Are you blaming MDA for Eddy Curry and Darko’s lack of development?

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.

Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.

He is gone.

Has anybody seen Bill Walker?

Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.

Exactly! Wish he would've blessed the Chicago Bulls instead with 4 years of mediocre coaching.

No, the point is that no human should choose to work for Dolan. Give it a few years; Dolan will trade Lin for the next Steve Francis.

Thats where your wrong! He'll trade Lin, Novak, Shump, Jorts, JJ and Chandler for the next Melo! Smh

That's where you're both wrong!!! He'll keep Tyson and trade the rest of the above +Fields for the rights to Greg Oden. We'd get to resign JJ in two minutes once he cleared waivers by failing his trade physical.

I would be interested to see who this board could hate more than Melo.

DJMUSIC wrote:Thank you Melo!

With Josh Harrellson falling for pump fakes like Charlie Brown after the football, and Jeffries on the shelf until after Easter - we can expect Carmelo to see more minutes at the four spot. He will have played every position except center.

Anthony was asked to run the team before Linsanity, score from the two spot, match up at small forward against the Paul Pierce's of the league, and now he must turn into a defender of big men. He must make the pass and score. He must box out and rebound. He must be held responsible to do whatever it takes.

Nobody talks about that.

ChuckBuck wrote:

misterearl wrote:Mr Versatility

DJMUSIC wrote:Thank you Melo!

With Josh Harrellson falling for pump fakes like Charlie Brown after the football, and Jeffries on the shelf until after Easter - we can expect Carmelo to see more minutes at the four spot. He will have played every position except center.

Anthony was asked to run the team before Linsanity, score from the two spot, match up at small forward against the Paul Pierce's of the league, and now he must turn into a defender of big men. He must make the pass and score. He must box out and rebound. He must be held responsible to do whatever it takes.

Nobody talks about that.

Why would they? It would paint him in a positive light.

Think Melo deserves some positive light with all the CRAP NY
and nba media put out. You can criticize a star without ALL being targeted to 1 sole Person, Melo.

When or if NYK makes playoffs and makes a run winning few games or even 1 series if they get that
far believe you me Carmelo Anthony still WOULD NOT GET ANY credit around here for squat!

that is unfair

Folks feel and want D'Antoni whom I've said many times isnt NY, wasnt ever going to be NY and could care less for the great
NewYork fans as many NY knicks fans believed from D'Antoni.

He's in his ponch fancy Italy homes or out west smiling with his $24 million dollar investment freebies he
got as NY Knickerbocker basketball coach..

Of course I Aint fool to blame every single thing on MDA, it isnt and never 1 sole persons fault
as we/they/media all try to put towards MELO.

However D'Antoni doghouse for folks whom got into his "Doghouse" such as Melo Anthony serves only to me to
let me realize what a can-niver & misleader D'Antoni was really here.

ITs all about him and his systems.
a Coaching Pro hoops system which has yet to win D'Antoni a Pro sports NBA title on his way to riches $$$

Good for him
enjoy yo' $money Mike