So does that mean that any guard who either scores too much or who commits too many turnovers is not a point guard? I hope not.

Yes, Lin has turned it over too much, but he has played a ton of minutes and has been exhausted, and is still getting to know his teammates. I think we can all see that as he continues to gain experience, he will cut down on the turnovers.

Anyway, I do not see how anyone could have watched the Knicks' past five games and not agree that Lin is a true point guard. I just don't see why he is viewed as anything else.

PhilinLA wrote:Doesn't have court vision? LOL! Wait till he's looking at Amar'e and Melo instead of JJ and Bill Walker. People are stretching to deny what's going on!

Do you hear yourself? Most PGs would look great passing to those 2. Great PGs don't néed stars to make themselves look good.

PhilinLA wrote:and oh yeah, we just went on our first 5 game winning streak because of his court vision.

We went on the streak because we got scoring from our backcourt.

JCrusher wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Erniecat wrote:Once I read that Jeremy Lin is a combo guard and not a point guard I had to jump in.

So does that mean that any guard who either scores too much or who commits too many turnovers is not a point guard? I hope not.

Yes, Lin has turned it over too much, but he has played a ton of minutes and has been exhausted, and is still getting to know his teammates. I think we can all see that as he continues to gain experience, he will cut down on the turnovers.

Anyway, I do not see how anyone could have watched the Knicks' past five games and not agree that Lin is a true point guard. I just don't see why he is viewed as anything else.

Make all the excuses you like but alot of NBA players are tired. Shumpert is tired. Jennings, Deron Williams, Kyle Lowry, Raymond Felton, Derrick Rose, etc are tired too.

The season is 82 games long. Guys play tired and banged up all the time.

Knicks guards suck so bad it's sad. We were hoping on broke back Davis to save us.

Jeremy Lin seems like an all around solid PG option for us. That doesn't mean he is the next Steve Nash or John Stockton.

nobody said he was steve nash or stockton, i mean nobody is those guys. We just need a good pg which is what lin is. Lin is a guy who has all the talent in the world but he didn't get the oppurtunity for all the wrong reasons. Golden state had two good youn guards so tahts why they couldn't hold onto lin. The rockets have said they regret letting him go

Actually, Magic Johnson compared Lin to Nash and Stockton....<sarcasm> but what does he know </sarcasm>

AnubisADL wrote:

Erniecat wrote:Once I read that Jeremy Lin is a combo guard and not a point guard I had to jump in.

So does that mean that any guard who either scores too much or who commits too many turnovers is not a point guard? I hope not.

Yes, Lin has turned it over too much, but he has played a ton of minutes and has been exhausted, and is still getting to know his teammates. I think we can all see that as he continues to gain experience, he will cut down on the turnovers.

Anyway, I do not see how anyone could have watched the Knicks' past five games and not agree that Lin is a true point guard. I just don't see why he is viewed as anything else.

Make all the excuses you like but alot of NBA players are tired. Shumpert is tired. Jennings, Deron Williams, Kyle Lowry, Raymond Felton, Derrick Rose, etc are tired too.

The season is 82 games long. Guys play tired and banged up all the time.

Knicks guards suck so bad it's sad. We were hoping on broke back Davis to save us.

Jeremy Lin seems like an all around solid PG option for us. That doesn't mean he is the next Steve Nash or John Stockton.

Why are excuses needed in wins. You can't just look at stats. You have to watch the games. A lot of his turnovers have been good ideas but either errant passes or bad catches add to that he has the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Also you have to remember he is in his 2nd year with minimal NBA experience.

martin wrote:Bocker, I only caught 1st quarter. What's your take on what the 2 guys have to clean up before heading back to Knicks land?

I really think that Lin is ready. He just needs a chance. I like how he pushed the ball and its not just his passing. He sets up his teammates really well. His penetration is key. He has a change of pace that lets him get by defenders. He is the anti-Reezy in that he dribbles with his head up all the time. He also never picks up his dribble. He should have gotten over 20+ assists if his teammates did not miss open shots, I mean uncontested 10-15 footers. He has a nice stroke and can hit from 3 land. Lin is not afraid of contact. He rebounds really well in that he gets all long rebounds and cleans up the defensive board when the bigs box out. Did I mention that he LOVES to push the ball and his passing ability is very good. His defense is also very good. He does not SWITCH! He fights through screens and is long enough to bother shooters. He likes blocking post up players ala Michael Jordan from behind. I counted 3 times he tried to do this. In one of the games he played for the Knicks, I remember him doing this as well. His man-to-man defense is very good. He keeps in front of his man and contests every shot. His help defense is very good and he recovers to the right man when his teammates rotate to his man.

The bad...I only see one flaw. He needs to get stronger. His strength is enough as a rotation player but he will need to get a lot stronger if he wants to start. A couple of times he ended up on the floor when he got bumped. I would also like a better %age in the FT line.

The most impressive part is not the domination in the 1st half but in the 2nd half when the other team obviously game planned to take him off his game. He had 5 assists in the 1st half and he ended with 12. Lin made the other team pay when they collapsed on him. He did not force anything and is really VERY VERY good in setting up his teammates. The other team even switched defenders and used Morris Almond on him in the 2nd half.

I see Lin as Rubio Light and can be his equal when he gets stronger.

Jerome Jordan looked really good in the PnR. He knew when to roll and his hands are very good. He catches everything, granted that Lin was hitting him in his hands but still it was impressive. He occasionally boxes out and just tries to out jump other players but he is an active rebounder. His shooting form looks good, kinda reminds me of Medical Bill, but he was not hitting his mid-range Js. Jerome really got most of his points from Lin. I see him having problems with the likes of DHoward and Eddy Curry type players but will do well against KG type players. Jerome needs to work on boxing out and strength but I think he is a keeper. Can't teach height.

AnubisADL wrote:Ego?

Ad hominem FTW?

Observation about humanity, not just you. Ad hoc? Ad world? Anyway, you seem to be in a rationally untenable position coming in the midst of a winning streak with a depleted roster.

“(Lin has) really changed the mind-set and mentality of this team,” Chandler said. “We were really struggling and fighting the offense, and you get a point guard in here and the way he’s distributing the ball — he’s doing a lot of scoring, but the thing is it’s just what the defense is giving him. He’s making the right decision. Because of that the offense is flowing and it’s giving a lot of guys confidence. A lot of guys have benefited from him.”

The point guard and the two stars all have adjustments to make.

“We just need to find a way to quickly come together and continue riding this momentum. If we all come together it’s crazy. We don’t know how good we can be. The potential is there though for sure.” - Jeremy Lin

misterearl wrote:The Adjustment Bureau (part 3)

“(Lin has) really changed the mind-set and mentality of this team,” Chandler said. “We were really struggling and fighting the offense, and you get a point guard in here and the way he’s distributing the ball — he’s doing a lot of scoring, but the thing is it’s just what the defense is giving him. He’s making the right decision. Because of that the offense is flowing and it’s giving a lot of guys confidence. A lot of guys have benefited from him.”

The point guard and the two stars all have adjustments to make.

“We just need to find a way to quickly come together and continue riding this momentum. If we all come together it’s crazy. We don’t know how good we can be. The potential is there though for sure.” - Jeremy Lin

So Chandler stated what many already knew. Our PGs were garbage. Shumperts PG skills are clearly lacking as well.