NYKBocker wrote:On a positive note. Lin looked really good pushing the ball. He drove to the basket and was able to set up teammates. Please give Lin a chance.

Yep, he looked like he really could be a good PG off the bench for us. Drove into the lane with ease and passed the ball nicely. His D was solid too, but he was defending scrubs.

RonRon wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

RonRon wrote:its not all Amare's fault but we have to pick one of our 3 to ship out if we are looking for a lot of talent.
As great as Melo is, he isn't worth what we gave up. Amare could have worked if we kept our team and added to that roster.
I keep bringing this up because we were in the right direction, till Dolan stepped in and traded for Melo.
We can't add the talent we need when 3 players are eating up all our cap like that. Amare and Melo are both not worthy together.
We are limited on our moves, with the 3 exemptions to use.
Everyone points figures at Amare, Fields, Melo, Iman, Tyson Chandler, TD, or Bibby, when it isn't their fault.
Its all because of what we gave up for Melo...

Amare, the Knicks, and Dantoni's system, needs a PG that has the respect and balls to facilitate.
Instead of letting Melo and Amare go ISO plays whenever they want to, run the PnR, and direct the team of what to do.

Fields is not a SG, has no handle, and can not penetrate. He stands out at the 3point line, pump fakes all the time but no one is even falling for it.
He is not a shooting or driving threat, he is just letting his guy playing him half ass, and its enough to contain him.
I have said this in the summer while many felt he was the worthy of the starting SG and said he was doubted and Walsh found a gem. Blah blah blah...
Fields benefited from Felton's penetration, Gallo and Wilson Chandler's games, the defense focused on Amare, and with ball movement/playing as the 5th option.

I was hoping to trade Amare to the Celtics for Ray Allan/KG, but if we continue to play this way, Amare's value will not even be worth the risk with his uninsured contract...
Again for all the people that supported the Melo trade, you are all wrong...
The amnesty helped us our with Chandler and Baron Davis already, yet its still not enough...
Tyson Chandler added to our pre Melo trade is exactly what we needed.
We also would be in discussions of adding Cp3/Deron as well....

Of course it isnt all Amare's fault but he is the weak link. We have Melo, Amare, and Chandler. Melo and Chandler are meshing well so Amare is the odd man out. He needs to adapt. Bosh has to adapt in Miami. If Amare can help us round out our situation then so be it.

We need a more balanced game from Amare. We dont need 20+ points a night. 20 and 10 should be more than double for someone making max dollars. I'm just saying.

You do the Melo trade even at this point. Why? Because Melo alone is worth more than what we sent out. Knicks have turned young players with "potential" into proven star players.

its because of the quality players we traded away for Melo. Fans like you and Dolan will just not understand...
It is not about Melo, its about the what we gave away and our inability to acquire talent after having Amare + Melo after that....
Amare would have been fine if we added Tyson Chandler to that core...

What about his defense and rebounding?

ramtour420 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:On a positive note. Lin looked really good pushing the ball. He drove to the basket and was able to set up teammates. Please give Lin a chance.

Yep, he looked like he really could be a good PG off the bench for us. Drove into the lane with ease and passed the ball nicely. His D was solid too, but he was defending scrubs.

Yeah, but these are NBA scrubs. Thunder goes 10 deep in their rotation, so 3 of the players Lin was playing against were actually rotation players. Lin looked fast and decisive. He looked like he really knew how to set up his teammates. Can't be any worse than TD or Bibby.

RonRon wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

RonRon wrote:its not all Amare's fault but we have to pick one of our 3 to ship out if we are looking for a lot of talent.
As great as Melo is, he isn't worth what we gave up. Amare could have worked if we kept our team and added to that roster.
I keep bringing this up because we were in the right direction, till Dolan stepped in and traded for Melo.
We can't add the talent we need when 3 players are eating up all our cap like that. Amare and Melo are both not worthy together.
We are limited on our moves, with the 3 exemptions to use.
Everyone points figures at Amare, Fields, Melo, Iman, Tyson Chandler, TD, or Bibby, when it isn't their fault.
Its all because of what we gave up for Melo...

Amare, the Knicks, and Dantoni's system, needs a PG that has the respect and balls to facilitate.
Instead of letting Melo and Amare go ISO plays whenever they want to, run the PnR, and direct the team of what to do.

Fields is not a SG, has no handle, and can not penetrate. He stands out at the 3point line, pump fakes all the time but no one is even falling for it.
He is not a shooting or driving threat, he is just letting his guy playing him half ass, and its enough to contain him.
I have said this in the summer while many felt he was the worthy of the starting SG and said he was doubted and Walsh found a gem. Blah blah blah...
Fields benefited from Felton's penetration, Gallo and Wilson Chandler's games, the defense focused on Amare, and with ball movement/playing as the 5th option.

I was hoping to trade Amare to the Celtics for Ray Allan/KG, but if we continue to play this way, Amare's value will not even be worth the risk with his uninsured contract...
Again for all the people that supported the Melo trade, you are all wrong...
The amnesty helped us our with Chandler and Baron Davis already, yet its still not enough...
Tyson Chandler added to our pre Melo trade is exactly what we needed.
We also would be in discussions of adding Cp3/Deron as well....

Of course it isnt all Amare's fault but he is the weak link. We have Melo, Amare, and Chandler. Melo and Chandler are meshing well so Amare is the odd man out. He needs to adapt. Bosh has to adapt in Miami. If Amare can help us round out our situation then so be it.

We need a more balanced game from Amare. We dont need 20+ points a night. 20 and 10 should be more than double for someone making max dollars. I'm just saying.

You do the Melo trade even at this point. Why? Because Melo alone is worth more than what we sent out. Knicks have turned young players with "potential" into proven star players.

its because of the quality players we traded away for Melo. Fans like you and Dolan will just not understand...
It is not about Melo, its about the what we gave away and our inability to acquire talent after having Amare + Melo after that....
Amare would have been fine if we added Tyson Chandler to that core...

Okay, I'll ask you the question I like to ask all the "we gave up too much crowd": which piece that we sent over, had we retained, would have made it a fair trade?

tkf wrote:THIS Organization is rotten from the top.. the day we traded for melo(mistake) we should have made a decision with dantoni.. we took a team that could play his system away from him and we give him a team he probably doesn't like along with his lame duck status..

The trade also signaled the end for amare if you ask me, and that is sad, he was having fun and being a leader last year. He looks mentally drained right now...

You still do the trade. Amare isnt an albatross contract at this point.

He just doesnt fit with our current front court. Im getting the vibe that he wants to be "the man" but Melo is clearly the superior AND younger talent. Amare seems like the type of guy to be happy being "the man" on an 8th seed team than being Bosh on a Championship team.

Pretty disturbing how he refuses to box out and rebound at this point. He really has no excuse at this point.

ramtour420 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:On a positive note. Lin looked really good pushing the ball. He drove to the basket and was able to set up teammates. Please give Lin a chance.

Yep, he looked like he really could be a good PG off the bench for us. Drove into the lane with ease and passed the ball nicely. His D was solid too, but he was defending scrubs.

We must be in the top 10 now in defensive efficiency.

Meloless Knicks drop one to OKC: http://www.thewindyapple.com/2012/01/15/meloless-knicks-drop-one-to-the-thunder/

DJMUSIC wrote:
To me
WHEREs AMARE ? and his stagnant offensive & NO Defense and poor rebound for a 6 foot 9 guy. Where is this Superstar ?
He looks pathetic vs. lowly Bobcats (twice) and Wizards and Charlotte nearly beat Knicks twice.

Knicks had to buss their arrsses to beat these struggling lowly of NBA.

Whats up Stoudamire ? This man is either Hurt OR Amare 'leadership' is VERY soft. Melo may be a chucker sometimes
But can you blame him ? Melo is tough. I don't know about Amare being tough mentally anymore. If Your leader is soft
rest of squad is soft.

Go back 1 yr to the Knicks-Celtics playoffs, sweep the PG Billups hurt & out and then Amare < 100% (injured) gave it a try

But my point is MELO gave knicks a huge pull and Celtics pulled out 3 or 4 games in squeaker wins in their 4 game sweep
Knicks earned Doc Rivers respect and MELO carried the knicks

Where the heck was Stoudarmire last night vs Thunder ? You mean to tell me he could not lead his sore Knick team to compete
and at least lost gracefully to 1 of NBA best teams ? Its not losing its way you lose

You turn around last night if AMARE was out and MELO could play, Knicks were not getting blown out.
Same in Grizzlie game where Melo had been hurt left early

Sure Knicks lose a a team & its early in season I get that,

But the Mike D'Antoni (cant blame him yet) and Amare $100mil Stoudamire connection is killing me,
with their answers in post game and no sense of urgency when then lose accepting loses to teams better
with a shrug "We'll get better"

SOFT SOFT SOFT
Amare should be ashamed of himself. I dont say beat the Thunder but at least Lead your Knicks with some guts
I am an Amare fan but his performances against teams (weak and elite) has been GUTLESS and SOFT

I am happy with team Defensively (Exlude last nite Thunder Blowout)
my venom and gripes is with Amare's lack of leading.

Stoudemire has been as bad as Knicks schemes offensively and plays
Sure the Coach calls its plays I get that & coaching need to get it together. However Amare' is 1 of 2 superstars on this team
If he isnt' hurt his tail sure looks SOFT as leading Knicks. He sits on bench sorry face during blowouts. Amare' says all right
things during post game interviews give him credit there. However his actions as leading Knicks isn't evident & contradicts his
words. Mr Stoudemire dissappointed in you !

Dude Amare is not the type of player melo is. Melo can create for him self. How are we paying Amare 100 million and he can not be our big scorer. It's disappointing. If you get paid 100 million dollars no matter if you have a point guard or not you should be putting up your 20 points or so. Actually when the other super star is injured you are required to pick up the slack. Amare hasn't in two games. He is not a super star. He can not create for himself like Dirk. He isn't even a good post player to get the ball down low and score like Gasol/Bynum/Bosh. If your a 100 million max player you could be on a team with no talent and you should be putting up ungodly numbers. He is alone with no talent and he does not even look like our best player out there. When Amare and Billups were injured against Boston melo carried this to and almost won games. he put up 37/13 or something like that. When is everyone going to understand that Amare is not on carmelo's level. Carmelo rises to the challenge when we are down we all look to melo to score. We need to trade Amare before he ends up being Jermaine O'neil. The last two games with no Melo, Amare looks like every other player we have on the floor. No better or worst.

DJMUSIC wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:
To me
WHEREs AMARE ? and his stagnant offensive & NO Defense and poor rebound for a 6 foot 9 guy. Where is this Superstar ?
He looks pathetic vs. lowly Bobcats (twice) and Wizards and Charlotte nearly beat Knicks twice.

Knicks had to buss their arrsses to beat these struggling lowly of NBA.

Whats up Stoudamire ? This man is either Hurt OR Amare 'leadership' is VERY soft. Melo may be a chucker sometimes
But can you blame him ? Melo is tough. I don't know about Amare being tough mentally anymore. If Your leader is soft
rest of squad is soft.

Go back 1 yr to the Knicks-Celtics playoffs, sweep the PG Billups hurt & out and then Amare < 100% (injured) gave it a try

But my point is MELO gave knicks a huge pull and Celtics pulled out 3 or 4 games in squeaker wins in their 4 game sweep
Knicks earned Doc Rivers respect and MELO carried the knicks

Where the heck was Stoudarmire last night vs Thunder ? You mean to tell me he could not lead his sore Knick team to compete
and at least lost gracefully to 1 of NBA best teams ? Its not losing its way you lose

You turn around last night if AMARE was out and MELO could play, Knicks were not getting blown out.
Same in Grizzlie game where Melo had been hurt left early

Sure Knicks lose a a team & its early in season I get that,

But the Mike D'Antoni (cant blame him yet) and Amare $100mil Stoudamire connection is killing me,
with their answers in post game and no sense of urgency when then lose accepting loses to teams better
with a shrug "We'll get better"

SOFT SOFT SOFT
Amare should be ashamed of himself. I dont say beat the Thunder but at least Lead your Knicks with some guts
I am an Amare fan but his performances against teams (weak and elite) has been GUTLESS and SOFT

I am happy with team Defensively (Exlude last nite Thunder Blowout)
my venom and gripes is with Amare's lack of leading.

Stoudemire has been as bad as Knicks schemes offensively and plays
Sure the Coach calls its plays I get that & coaching need to get it together. However Amare' is 1 of 2 superstars on this team
If he isnt' hurt his tail sure looks SOFT as leading Knicks. He sits on bench sorry face during blowouts. Amare' says all right
things during post game interviews give him credit there. However his actions as leading Knicks isn't evident & contradicts his
words. Mr Stoudemire dissappointed in you !

Dude Amare is not the type of player melo is. Melo can create for him self. How are we paying Amare 100 million and he can not be our big scorer. It's disappointing. If you get paid 100 million dollars no matter if you have a point guard or not you should be putting up your 20 points or so. Actually when the other super star is injured you are required to pick up the slack. Amare hasn't in two games. He is not a super star. He can not create for himself like Dirk. He isn't even a good post player to get the ball down low and score like Gasol/Bynum/Bosh. If your a 100 million max player you could be on a team with no talent and you should be putting up ungodly numbers. He is alone with no talent and he does not even look like our best player out there. When Amare and Billups were injured against Boston melo carried this to and almost won games. he put up 37/13 or something like that. When is everyone going to understand that Amare is not on carmelo's level. Carmelo rises to the challenge when we are down we all look to melo to score. We need to trade Amare before he ends up being Jermaine O'neil. The last two games with no Melo, Amare looks like every other player we have on the floor. No better or worst.

I hear ya

Amare until Melo came was NYK BEST player and allstar
however

he plays beneath teams such as WIZ, Bobcats & Raptops is inexusable.

I cut him slack for PG lacking and not being able to setup the team and players such as Amare

However Amare been bad we cant ignore it
There is more to game than a jump shot and 20pts

If Amare wanted to he can block 2 shots per game and also has ability to draw fouls on his put-back game,
or athletic capability around the basket instead of being on wing for 20 to 30 ft jumpers most of the time.

Plus defensively he can blame D'Antoni all we want
Amare lets anyone drives to him and backs off instead of challenging players defensively. That is inexusable
Worst cover or help defender for a big man star player. Chandler is there to cover Center and Amare's back
do not know why Amare isnt helping on D' ? end of court

That dont cut it in NBA nor in NY

Dave debusschere was 6 6' PF and slow and played that spot with more heart and guts defensively.

It kills me to watch Amare give up layups like that. What else pisses me off is the fact that he is supposed to be a max player and cannot create for himself and is useless when melo is injured and cannot be counted on to score and lead this team.