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12/8/2011  3:44 PM
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crzymdups wrote:only thing i can say on that point is - maybe the knicks should have waited on Melo. Then they could be looking at CP3, Amar'e and Tyson. but every single asset that went in the melo trade would have to go in the CP3 trade.

so it comes down to do you prefer CP3 or Melo.

or we could just deal with reality which is that the Knicks now have the best frontline in basketball.

question is: who plays the point? Baron Davis is amnestied and he clears the bid period (which he prob would)? jamaal tinsley? maybe steve blake if the lakers get CP3 and keep fisher and amnesty blake. maybe luke ridnour?

but, seriously, with a front court of Amar'e (just measured at 6'11" 260lbs) / Tyson Chandler (7'1" 280lbs) / Carmelo Anthony... who beats that frontline?


agree and its old school... you win with size and that size is great and its backed by elite athleticism. These arent plodding dinosaurs. Chandler is everything Camby was, and most would agree that even for 60 games Camby was pretty freakin awesome here.

I understand our PG options are limited, but our two offensive stars in Melo/Stat arent players that have to have perfect passes to score.

Childs2dudley... average center? He's the 2nd best defensive player in the league next to Dwight. Did you watch the Mavs run last year? Please....

What criteria are you using to judge him as the 2nd best defensive center?

The guy plays 27 minutes a game, averages 10 and 9 and all of a sudden he's Dikembe Mutombo's son.

If we got this guy 2 years ago all of you would be calling for Walsh's head. Such is life.

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12/8/2011  3:46 PM
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nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.

What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.

This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.


My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!

Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.


Did you not see my reaction? As long as Chandler is healthy, this move is awesome. And just to be clear: Are you predicting that Chandler will not play more than 27 mpg?

you just like to disagree.
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12/8/2011  3:47 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
martin wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.

Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.

Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.

Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?

Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.

right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.

people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.

Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony

that's the most dynamic front court in the league.

and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.

Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.

I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.

Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.

No it wasn't. We had $14 million in cap space next season.

You sure about that? We are not signing anymore players this year?

I don't understand what you're trying to say..

You're looking at this the wrong way.

Yes, Tyson Chandler now kills our cap flexibility going forward...because we're essentially USING our remaining cap space on him. This is our last big signing, and from here on it's MLE's and vet mins and draft picks. The organization is likely to stick with this core of Melo/Amare/Chandler (highly doubt we trade Amare for CP3) for the next 4 years, and fill in the complementary guards.

The Knicks probably got word from CP3's camp, ie. CAA, that we couldn't make a trade work, and CP3 is now considering signing with other teams. There was no way we could compete with offers that included Rondo or Gasol or Bynum. NOH might not want them, but a third team surely covets them more than an unproven Shumpert and 2nd round pick Fields.

If you actually take a look at ALL unrestricted free agents both this summer and the next, and focusing mainly on point guards and centers, Tyson Chandler is in fact the best available FA in both 2011 and 2012 after the big three of CP3, Deron, or Dwight. After that, there's a SEVERE drop off in center quality to Dalembert, Kaman, or Oden. Or we could try and outprice some young restricted FA like DeAndre Jordan or Roy Hibbert, but does our team really want to take on a project -- and overpay to do so?

This is Knicks' plan B. But it's the best move we could make if we're not getting CP3, Deron, or Dwight. Believe in that.
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12/8/2011  3:48 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.

What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.

This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.


My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!

Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.


Did you not see my reaction? As long as Chandler is healthy, this move is awesome. And just to be clear: Are you predicting that Chandler will not play more than 27 mpg?

you just like to disagree.

What was your point in posting that? It looks like you're trying to start an argument.
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12/8/2011  3:50 PM
Tyson Chandler is in fact the best available FA in both 2011 and 2012 after the big three of CP3, Deron, or Dwight. After that, there's a SEVERE drop off in center quality to Dalembert, Kaman, or Oden

Oden is accepting the blazers offer, Deandre jordan will likely be involved in the CP3 trade if it goes down
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12/8/2011  3:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.

What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.

This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.


My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!

Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.


Did you not see my reaction? As long as Chandler is healthy, this move is awesome. And just to be clear: Are you predicting that Chandler will not play more than 27 mpg?

you just like to disagree.

What was your point in posting that? It looks like you're trying to start an argument.

It is an observation. You like to disagree.
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12/8/2011  3:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.

What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.

This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.


My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!

Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.


Did you not see my reaction? As long as Chandler is healthy, this move is awesome. And just to be clear: Are you predicting that Chandler will not play more than 27 mpg?

What does it matter if he ends up playing 30 mpg rather than 27? This team isn't new to the idea of having to monitor a players minutes. We just had Amar'e and Turiaf who couldn't deal with heavy workloads. The more good players you have the fewer minutes they have to log. If this team isn't holding out for CP3 anymore they will be able to spend on FA's to provide adequate backup at key positions.
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12/8/2011  3:58 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.

What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.

This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.


My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!

Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.


Did you not see my reaction? As long as Chandler is healthy, this move is awesome. And just to be clear: Are you predicting that Chandler will not play more than 27 mpg?

you just like to disagree.

What was your point in posting that? It looks like you're trying to start an argument.

agreed, +1

not to mention, we can bring DEFENSE back to New York, not just chant it. With this acquisition, if we go deep in the playoffs or win a conference final, we could really attract
players to New York.


KG
Camby

Ray Allen
Nash

If things work out right, we can possibly sign some of these players and it would preserve Amare's game/body.

We are legit, final's contenders, after adding Tyson Chandler, then using our MLE, and other exceptions this year alone.
Next year, we can attract great players, use w/e exception we left, min veteran signings.
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12/8/2011  3:59 PM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:
Tyson Chandler is in fact the best available FA in both 2011 and 2012 after the big three of CP3, Deron, or Dwight. After that, there's a SEVERE drop off in center quality to Dalembert, Kaman, or Oden

Oden is accepting the blazers offer, Deandre jordan will likely be involved in the CP3 trade if it goes down

He's accepting their QUALIFYING OFFER, which makes him an unrestricted FA in 2012. DeAndre Jordan is a RFA this year, so he can't be included in a CP3 trade unless Jordan actually agrees to it and signs his name on the deal.
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12/8/2011  4:44 PM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Alright, yeah, Tyson Chandler is God. He has no flaws, he is the man. Now that he is coming to the Knicks we should forget about the rest of his NBA career and focus on him being a role player on the Mavericks for one season and use that to define his career. Tyson Chandler is the best center of this generation and deserves $14 million a season for his career 8 points, 8 rebounds, 1.5 blocks average. Tyson Chandler is a legend in the making. I hope to retire his jersey when this is all over.

your posts make you sound like a whiney little sarcastic bitch who pouts when he doesn't get his way

Youch. But kind of true.

Chandler to Knicks is a smart, risky, focused move that addresses our greatest area of need. If it means we're out on CP3, that would suck. But at least Ray Ray proved that we can make this system work with a mid-range pass-first PG who can nail 3s at a decent clip.

Let's DO IT.
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12/8/2011  4:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2011  4:48 PM
How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.

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12/8/2011  4:48 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Why? The 1 year contracts were to preserve cap space. Our cap space would be completely gone with this signing.

have to think the knicks put out feelers to Paul's team at CAA and were told if he was traded to someone other than NY, he wasn't coming to NY for $14M per year. that'd be 4yrs $60M from the knicks at most (and they'd have to waive iman and toney and fields to create that much space.)

now they have a fully loaded team with a big hole at PG. better situation than having only CP3, Melo and Amar'e and a capped out roster with no other players.

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12/8/2011  4:49 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
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martin wrote:for me, this puts the Knicks into immediate contention in the East. And all of the core players are 29 and below, so that means the window is like 4-5 years of deep playoffs.

And it also matches Miami at their weak point.

Martin... I agree. We have a pair of offensive frontcourt players who can take over games. What we lack is the presense in the middle to protect them. I understand the concern about contract year and health with this guy but he's the 2nd best defensive player in the league and fits a massive need. He makes our stars better. Also we arent giving anything up, but a 35ish PG who is in his last year with us anyway. It leaves Shumpert and Douglas who are pretty good defensive players also.

Im great with this move, and I usually hate everything the Knicks do.


They might follow it up with trading Amare for CP3. I would HATE that. What about you guys?

That would be a tough nut to swallow, but not necessarily bad bb move. We have to look dispassionately at these moves and try to see what puts together the best possible team.
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12/8/2011  4:51 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.


The extreme exaggeration by referring to Chandler as "God" was not cool.
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12/8/2011  4:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.


The extreme exaggeration by referring to Chandler as "God" was not cool.

I have seen people say this man beings back the defense of the 90's. That exaggeration is one equal level on what I said.

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12/8/2011  4:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.


The extreme exaggeration by referring to Chandler as "God" was not cool.

Chandler isn't a god, but he fills a MASSIVE need on this team and perfectly compliments Amar'e and Melo. It makes him not a god, but a perfect addition to this team.

Knicks will be over the cap and can still add pieces in the form of the MLE and the like.

And, you think Baron Davis doesn't want to come here now??

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12/8/2011  4:56 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.


The extreme exaggeration by referring to Chandler as "God" was not cool.

Chandler isn't a god, but he fills a MASSIVE need on this team and perfectly compliments Amar'e and Melo. It makes him not a god, but a perfect addition to this team.

Knicks will be over the cap and can still add pieces in the form of the MLE and the like.

And, you think Baron Davis doesn't want to come here now??

Is that supposed to be a good thing?

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12/8/2011  5:02 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.


The extreme exaggeration by referring to Chandler as "God" was not cool.

Chandler isn't a god, but he fills a MASSIVE need on this team and perfectly compliments Amar'e and Melo. It makes him not a god, but a perfect addition to this team.

Knicks will be over the cap and can still add pieces in the form of the MLE and the like.

And, you think Baron Davis doesn't want to come here now??

Is that supposed to be a good thing?

Haha, I honestly don't know.

But any point guard worth his salt would be licking his chops at the NYK roster right now.

And, frankly, I like Baron better than Chauncey. Baron, if motivated and not taking horrible threes, is a good lead guard. He wouldn't be my first choice, but he'd fit.

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12/8/2011  5:02 PM
Yes. Baron Davis would be a good thing at the point. He plays exceptionally well when he has a reason too. One he is a free agent, two it's NY, three he would be throwing passes to Chandler, Melo and Amare.

He can very easily average a double double.
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12/8/2011  5:03 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:How is it "kind of true"? Because I'm not jerking off to this move? All I'm doing is telling you why this is a negative and not a positive.

I approved, even loved, every offseason move the Knicks made last year. Every move.

Now I'm a "whiny bitch" because martin doesn't like to hear opinions louder than his.


The extreme exaggeration by referring to Chandler as "God" was not cool.

I have seen people say this man beings back the defense of the 90's. That exaggeration is one equal level on what I said.


Well that's a bad exaggeration too. I do think people are being a bit harsh on you here.
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