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TheSage
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2/17/2011  8:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/17/2011  8:28 AM
ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH--I, for one, am sick of hearing Melo's name. Would I like him in a Knick uniform next to STAT-YES but at a reasonable cost. I said in a an earlier post (several generations ago) that I would include either Gallo or Chandler but not both and I still stand by that (although would prefer to keep Gallo who I think may be a more important cog than Chandler and maybe a better all around player than Melo down the road. Gallo can fit and do things without being seen far better than Chandler and that is no knock on Chandler who has shown his tough attitude and how he can dominate.

Adding a Felton for Billups is a temporary but acceptable fix although I like Felton's development.Hate to give up Mosgov's potential but who knows what he will become and if u have both Stat and Carmelo up front can fill in with pure defense and dunks from a center. Azu? who? they can have him. AR or a first round pick they can have. Curry? we'll pay the shipping cost.

A lot of what I said is mere rehashing and mental masturbation but the same can be said about every article, blog, rumor from anonymois sources with the knick or nugget organization, league source or someone close to the situation. The only ones who really know are the men from "Animal House" otherwise known as the Nugget front office.
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2/17/2011  9:32 AM
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babyKnicks wrote:Source: Nuggets want 5 Knicks and 1st-round pick in Anthony deal

Denver's asking price for Carmelo Anthony is more outlandish than previously thought.

The Post has learned the Nuggets made a whopping demand one week ago that is more exorbitant than recent reports. According to a league source debriefed on Carmelo Anthony negotiations, Denver asked for Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Landry Fields, Raymond Felton, Timofey Mozgov and a first-round pick (obtained via Anthony Randolph) for Anthony and point guard Chauncey Billups.

F that man...I'm not giving up all that, not sure Carmelo would expect us to either..F it --- I guess it's not meant to be...If we're forced to walk away from this, first order of business is to get the message through to Melo (Amar'e?) that they were being completely unreasonable with their demands..Then go from there..Hopefully he really will be an option for us in the offseason..Goddamn this rotten CBA situation, I swear...What terrible timing for us...

F the players association AND the owners man (esp. the owners)...Something like this (the new CBA) should've been hashed out already..I mean WTF, this is a huge time in Carmelo's life -- how the F is the man supposed to make the right decision for him and his family with all this uncertainty?? It's mind-boggling..At least part of the rules should be in place already, such as pending FAs or franchise players being grandfathered into the old contract..This dude has earned the right to sign the same exact deal Amar'e signed with us during the offseason. End of story...Franchise type talent with 8 years of service in the league counting this year..You mean to tell me that's not gonna count for anything?!?! Rediculous..

You would think that it is a bargaining ploy by Denver to ask for so much- perhaps provoking the Nets, perhaps making the Knicks add something more to their offering for Melo, but it seems late in the talks to suddenly throw out such an outrageous package to the Knicks.

You could not make the above trade and expect much from this team this year, and who knows about the future. You are also setting yourself up for disappointment if some of the guys on your FA dream-list for the next few years go elsewhere, and you have to go after second tier FAs. In addition you won't have any assets for potential trades with Fields/Gallo/Mosguv/Chandler/and Randolph gone.

Crazy stuff, and it is taking some of the joy out of this season for me.

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2/17/2011  9:34 AM
The correct way to deal with an individual who is not reasonable is to walk away.
If I owned the team--I would simply walk away---let Carmelos camp know that we offered Denver a very fair package and that I could not give up the whole team--and we will have the cap space waiting for him at years end.
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2/17/2011  9:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/17/2011  9:37 AM
The correct way is to give the unreasonable individual a PUNCH IN THE FACE! Donnie should punch these Denver scumbags in the face!

Crazy, they're all crazy there in Denver. They're all drinking rocky mountain cold Coors Light.

They might be throwing this out there because they know Dolan has his fat little paws in the mix and he is dumb.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/17/2011  10:29 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/features/carmeloanthonyslotmachine Give it a spin.
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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2/17/2011  10:30 AM
orangeblobman wrote:The correct way is to give the unreasonable individual a PUNCH IN THE FACE! Donnie should punch these Denver scumbags in the face!

Crazy, they're all crazy there in Denver. They're all drinking rocky mountain cold Coors Light.

They might be throwing this out there because they know Dolan has his fat little paws in the mix and he is dumb.

In the old days in the South these kind of demands would have been met properly. Pistols and seconds at dawn.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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2/17/2011  10:53 AM
crzymdups wrote:i think the knicks would be best served getting melo cheaper in the summer.

let wilson go, but keep landry, gallo, mozgov and definitely keep felton.

move some of those guys for a center like anderson varejao after melo is signed. (i'd trade gallo or mozgov plus the #1 pick we can get for AR for anderson varejao)


Felton
Fields
Melo
Amar'e
Varejao

bench: Gallo, Toney, Shawne Williams, Turiaf

why not wait for a full team? that squad can legitimately win it all.

WAIT UNTIL JULY. DOLAN, I'M TALKING TO YOU.

Word. Waiting is the best plan. And I like Varejao, but I wouldn't trade Gallo for him. Besides, we'll need Gallo as an asset to get our future PG (i.e., unless Felton gets more consistency).
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2/17/2011  12:42 PM
Honestly, I think the Nuggets are going to get blackballed from transactions in the future with the way they're dealing with the Nets and Knicks.

The only reason teams continue to talk to them is because they have a top ten player who is available.

They should be able to unload Nene and JR Smith for decent pieces, but I'm sure they're being just as unreasonable.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/17/2011  1:56 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Honestly, I think the Nuggets are going to get blackballed from transactions in the future with the way they're dealing with the Nets and Knicks.

The only reason teams continue to talk to them is because they have a top ten player who is available.

They should be able to unload Nene and JR Smith for decent pieces, but I'm sure they're being just as unreasonable.


Cant blame Denver for wanting a pie in the sky. The problem is Melo doesnt want to sign in NJ. THATS why the Nets pulled out.

If your Denver why not look to rob someone?

Its all just a game.. however if Melo isnt traded at the deadline you KNOW Denver really screwed up because he's NOT staying there.

Players leaving is an issue. Its happens. A good GM will have some foresight and get something. Maybe not equal value but something.

I dont blame Pho for keeping Amare. They were having an amazing 2nd half and there was cause to let it ride. Bosh? That guy was gone and everyone knew... They could have gotten a good package for him. Hopefully Denver understands that the sting of Amare, Bosh, Lebron departures can and will happen to them. They are looking at a 38-40 win tean at best next year with a 36 year old point guard. They are PHUCKED if they dont get a couple decent young guys. Getting Fields and Chandler would accomplish that

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2/17/2011  2:08 PM
Here's where I'm at: take everything you want except Fields, and throw in Afflalo
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2/17/2011  2:18 PM
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JohnWallace44 wrote:Honestly, I think the Nuggets are going to get blackballed from transactions in the future with the way they're dealing with the Nets and Knicks.

The only reason teams continue to talk to them is because they have a top ten player who is available.

They should be able to unload Nene and JR Smith for decent pieces, but I'm sure they're being just as unreasonable.


Cant blame Denver for wanting a pie in the sky. The problem is Melo doesnt want to sign in NJ. THATS why the Nets pulled out.

If your Denver why not look to rob someone?

Its all just a game.. however if Melo isnt traded at the deadline you KNOW Denver really screwed up because he's NOT staying there.

Players leaving is an issue. Its happens. A good GM will have some foresight and get something. Maybe not equal value but something.

I dont blame Pho for keeping Amare. They were having an amazing 2nd half and there was cause to let it ride. Bosh? That guy was gone and everyone knew... They could have gotten a good package for him. Hopefully Denver understands that the sting of Amare, Bosh, Lebron departures can and will happen to them. They are looking at a 38-40 win tean at best next year with a 36 year old point guard. They are PHUCKED if they dont get a couple decent young guys. Getting Fields and Chandler would accomplish that

Amare in PHO was not about money but about years (and the money of course!)

I read a good piece that said "people don't move from Miami to CLEV", ownership messed up. Dude is writing a book on Lebron. Everyone knew He was leaving! (Chris Rock is quoted in piece)

I won't predict anything but since its gone this far I'll adjust my odds:

Knicks 33%
Nets 10%
Other 10%
Nuggs 50%

Not a stretch here. So the Favorite remains is he keeps the money and gets LA LA her own Jet and tells her "sorry hun"!
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2/17/2011  2:42 PM
I would put the Knicks at 70%, Nuggets at 20% and Nets at 10%. I think Melo's desire to go to NY will be strongly expressed this weekend and that will push the Nets out of the running. Then it will be about Denver finally getting real and taking a slightly more reasonable package from the Knicks. We'll give up a lot, just not as much as they were asking.
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2/17/2011  2:57 PM
nixluva wrote:I would put the Knicks at 70%, Nuggets at 20% and Nets at 10%. I think Melo's desire to go to NY will be strongly expressed this weekend and that will push the Nets out of the running. Then it will be about Denver finally getting real and taking a slightly more reasonable package from the Knicks. We'll give up a lot, just not as much as they were asking.

Ever the optomist. Never change!
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2/17/2011  3:22 PM
Nalod wrote:Knicks 33%
Nets 10%
Other 10%
Nuggs 50%

Not a stretch here. So the Favorite remains is he keeps the money and gets LA LA her own Jet and tells her "sorry hun"!

nice math Yogi

I think the Nets are totally out of it. The package they had was sick and it didnt happen because Melo isnt signing there plain and simple.

This AS weekend it will come to face and the truth will surface soon enough. Denver has the look of a team posturing. Melo's agent will say if they cant get a Knick deal done Melo will wait till the offseason when Knicks have max cap space and not for nothing will get Melo cheaper.

He's gonna come here. In the past players might not have been able to force trades like this but the Bosh, Amare, Lebron, etc scenario is scary for teams.. losing AS players for nada

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2/17/2011  3:26 PM
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:Knicks 33%
Nets 10%
Other 10%
Nuggs 50%

Not a stretch here. So the Favorite remains is he keeps the money and gets LA LA her own Jet and tells her "sorry hun"!

nice math Yogi

I think the Nets are totally out of it. The package they had was sick and it didnt happen because Melo isnt signing there plain and simple.

This AS weekend it will come to face and the truth will surface soon enough. Denver has the look of a team posturing. Melo's agent will say if they cant get a Knick deal done Melo will wait till the offseason when Knicks have max cap space and not for nothing will get Melo cheaper.

He's gonna come here. In the past players might not have been able to force trades like this but the Bosh, Amare, Lebron, etc scenario is scary for teams.. losing AS players for nada

My math beats the Odds!!
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2/17/2011  5:02 PM
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:I would put the Knicks at 70%, Nuggets at 20% and Nets at 10%. I think Melo's desire to go to NY will be strongly expressed this weekend and that will push the Nets out of the running. Then it will be about Denver finally getting real and taking a slightly more reasonable package from the Knicks. We'll give up a lot, just not as much as they were asking.

Ever the optomist. Never change!


I was more pessimistic earlier in the year, but now I think it's all played out and the Nuggets are running out of options and time. Melo and his Agent are close to sealing the deal on getting everything they want. The money, the team and all that comes with it. Why not push even harder to force the hand of the Nuggets and get them to make a deal with NY? It's that easy for them. His agent picks up the phone and says it's NY or nothing and the deal is done within an hour. No more games and no other options for Denver.
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2/17/2011  5:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:I would put the Knicks at 70%, Nuggets at 20% and Nets at 10%. I think Melo's desire to go to NY will be strongly expressed this weekend and that will push the Nets out of the running. Then it will be about Denver finally getting real and taking a slightly more reasonable package from the Knicks. We'll give up a lot, just not as much as they were asking.

Ever the optomist. Never change!


I was more pessimistic earlier in the year, but now I think it's all played out and the Nuggets are running out of options and time. Melo and his Agent are close to sealing the deal on getting everything they want. The money, the team and all that comes with it. Why not push even harder to force the hand of the Nuggets and get them to make a deal with NY? It's that easy for them. His agent picks up the phone and says it's NY or nothing and the deal is done within an hour. No more games and no other options for Denver.

Denver is not getting what it wants and thinks Melo caves in time.

Only Melo can instruct his agent to say the magic word: "I'll opt out"!

What make you think Melo will walk away from the money? Not what you "feel" please. We have enough of that.
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2/17/2011  5:13 PM
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nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:I would put the Knicks at 70%, Nuggets at 20% and Nets at 10%. I think Melo's desire to go to NY will be strongly expressed this weekend and that will push the Nets out of the running. Then it will be about Denver finally getting real and taking a slightly more reasonable package from the Knicks. We'll give up a lot, just not as much as they were asking.

Ever the optomist. Never change!


I was more pessimistic earlier in the year, but now I think it's all played out and the Nuggets are running out of options and time. Melo and his Agent are close to sealing the deal on getting everything they want. The money, the team and all that comes with it. Why not push even harder to force the hand of the Nuggets and get them to make a deal with NY? It's that easy for them. His agent picks up the phone and says it's NY or nothing and the deal is done within an hour. No more games and no other options for Denver.

Denver is not getting what it wants and thinks Melo caves in time.

Only Melo can instruct his agent to say the magic word: "I'll opt out"!

What make you think Melo will walk away from the money? Not what you "feel" please. We have enough of that.


He won't lose out on money if he elects to come here as a FA. There will be so many more revenue streams for him here that I know his agent will make him aware of that. He can call Denver's bluff and really mean it. It's likely part of the reason he wants out of the Denver market to begin with. The point is that there's no reason in the world NOT to force Denver's hand in this negotiation. It's what he and his team has wanted all along and now he's at the doorstep of getting exactly what he wants. All it takes is one phone call and he's there.
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Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:I would put the Knicks at 70%, Nuggets at 20% and Nets at 10%. I think Melo's desire to go to NY will be strongly expressed this weekend and that will push the Nets out of the running. Then it will be about Denver finally getting real and taking a slightly more reasonable package from the Knicks. We'll give up a lot, just not as much as they were asking.

Ever the optomist. Never change!


I was more pessimistic earlier in the year, but now I think it's all played out and the Nuggets are running out of options and time. Melo and his Agent are close to sealing the deal on getting everything they want. The money, the team and all that comes with it. Why not push even harder to force the hand of the Nuggets and get them to make a deal with NY? It's that easy for them. His agent picks up the phone and says it's NY or nothing and the deal is done within an hour. No more games and no other options for Denver.

Denver is not getting what it wants and thinks Melo caves in time.

Only Melo can instruct his agent to say the magic word: "I'll opt out"!

What make you think Melo will walk away from the money? Not what you "feel" please. We have enough of that.

If it's all about the money he would have signed the extension already. I can't see him signing the extension to stay with Denver at this point. Especially when you take into consideration the feelings of the fans and the team. He's going to be moved, it's just a matter of where and at what price. The problem is he won't say the words "I'll opt out." If he did he be here already.

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2/17/2011  5:20 PM
Then Donnie is taking the proper course.
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