Vmart wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

I think you answered the question right there, that is why he needed to go deeper into the bench.

Our bench is not that good. If you are tight in the game do you go to your bench??

Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.

Actually its my opinion and thats how I see it so lets leave it at that.

GustavBahler wrote:AR and Moz couldn't get any PT even when the Cavs had mostly bench players on the floor. I see trades on the horizon because its going to reach a breaking point. Either Walsh makes a deal or D'Antoni gives more time to AR and Moz. They can't have this tight a rotation for much longer and expect to be healthy in the playoffs, if they make the playoffs.

sorry, those guys do not merit playing in a big game, right now.

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Knicks aren't good enough to be even thinking about trap game situations. Trap games are for elite teams and Knicks are not that.

I know that, but it's not about being Elite, but just natural for a team to look at a team with a 10 game losing streak and just not get up for them. We just got finished facing 3 very good teams and this wasn't a big motivational game. I mean come on, you know that's true of almost all teams!

Papabear Says

Mike D takes things personal and if he don't like you you don't play. AR needs playing time. Two things are going to happen. Either D'Antoni gets fired or the knicks make a trade. Whats up with Gallo?/ Maybe too much partying.

CrushAlot wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

I think you answered the question right there, that is why he needed to go deeper into the bench.

Our bench is not that good. If you are tight in the game do you go to your bench??

Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.

Actually its my opinion and thats how I see it so lets leave it at that.

You can't expect guys to be effective without consistent minutes. There are productive players on the bench but they haven't been given a chance in awhile. D'Antoni needs to spread out the minutes more. At some point the starters are going to wear down. The second night of a back to back where the team travels is a great example of when that is going to happen. Playing against a great defensive team where every possession is a physical struggle is another example. Guys get worn down. If you are a coach you need to develop and use your bench. If it means moving Chandler or Gallo to the bench and starting someone else to make the bench stronger do it.

I don't disagree about spreading the minutes but when starters cant build lead and you expect your bench to hold the lead then you are asking for it. Our front line was being abused today and unfortunately for us, AR and Moz aren't productive when they were given time. I can't tell you what happens in practice obviously they haven't shown much cause williams is getting playing time.

Papabear wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

rp wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

nixluva wrote:UGH!!!! You could see this coming all game! The worst thing you can do is give a bad team hope and they can come up and bite you in the butt. Also we really didn't need to play a OT game on the 2nd of a Back To back. Just a bad game all the way around.

Now that puts pressure on the Knicks to win the next 2 home games. Thank goodness we have a few days off to regroup. This was a perfect trap game. The Knicks played Lazy the 1st 3 qtrs and let the Cavs have hope and you could see them gaining confidence.

I said the same to one of my friends on the phone back at the end of the 3'rd quarter- that the Knicks were giving this damn team too much HOPE... We should have crushed them early, and they would have had their bench players in by cruchtime.

Fatigue should be no excuse for a team like the Knicks to lose in OT (or even have to go to OT) to the Cavs.

Felton played 44 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Chandler, Fields and Amare all played 41 minutes. I think fatigue was a factor. The Knicks really have a 6-7 man rotation and the bench isn't getting a lot of minutes most games. Guys are going to wear down and when you travel on the second night of a back to back fatigue will be a factor.

MDA is hell bent on making his point as a stubborn coach. This game required more minutes to the bench. Walker, AR, Mozgov should have got run, but that our coach. He is in the plus with his decision making so far can't fault him to much, but he has to look out for his starters better.

Starters was being lazy today except for fields and stat so I can't see why you blame the coach? Human nature showed that some of the players we got think they can just let it flow.

I think you answered the question right there, that is why he needed to go deeper into the bench.

Our bench is not that good. If you are tight in the game do you go to your bench??

Papabear Says

We could play the worst team in the league and even a D league team and the Knicks will find a way to make it close. We have no defense and no killer instinct.

lol, true that pops...

CrushAlot wrote:
You can't expect guys to be effective without consistent minutes. There are productive players on the bench but they haven't been given a chance in awhile. D'Antoni needs to spread out the minutes more. At some point the starters are going to wear down. The second night of a back to back where the team travels is a great example of when that is going to happen. Playing against a great defensive team where every possession is a physical struggle is another example. Guys get worn down. If you are a coach you need to develop and use your bench. If it means moving Chandler or Gallo to the bench and starting someone else to make the bench stronger do it.

right, so then you are okay with losing games while they develop?

see, that's one of THE MAJOR REASON'S (i believe) that we have a short rotation.

the knicks NEED to win games more than most teams with the playoff level talent we have as a low level to borderline playoff team (that's the level of talent here, imho).

we can't afford to have our bench make bonehead plays.

we play douglas minutes because he does give you defense, and we have no one else to back up felton.

we play turiaf because of the same reasons with amar'e nor any other legit big.

gallo and chandler are borderline starters, but we have no one else to replace them (chandler has played better of late, mostly).

i wish we had a healthy azu.

PresIke wrote:

Vmart wrote:
Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.

what????

you're kidding, right?

in the context of our starters, they are not THAT much worse, but that's part of the problem.

we just don't have that much talent.

you want randolph to take stupid shots and miss defensive assignments?

mozgov to give up fouls and not be able to do anything consistently?

walker to be invisible other than take 3s?

and i won't even comment about the rest of the bench who's not playing.

Papabear Says

Well why did we sign them or why don't we just get rid of them.

Papabear wrote:

PresIke wrote:

Vmart wrote:
Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.

what????

you're kidding, right?

in the context of our starters, they are not THAT much worse, but that's part of the problem.

we just don't have that much talent.

you want randolph to take stupid shots and miss defensive assignments?

mozgov to give up fouls and not be able to do anything consistently?

walker to be invisible other than take 3s?

and i won't even comment about the rest of the bench who's not playing.

Papabear Says

Well why did we sign them or why don't we just get rid of them.

actually, i think we may very well be moving at least 2 of those guys.

PresIke wrote:

Papabear wrote:

PresIke wrote:

Vmart wrote:
Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.

what????

you're kidding, right?

in the context of our starters, they are not THAT much worse, but that's part of the problem.

we just don't have that much talent.

you want randolph to take stupid shots and miss defensive assignments?

mozgov to give up fouls and not be able to do anything consistently?

walker to be invisible other than take 3s?

and i won't even comment about the rest of the bench who's not playing.

Papabear Says

Well why did we sign them or why don't we just get rid of them.

actually, i think we may very well be moving at least 2 of those guys.

I hope its only 2 guys. But hey it takes two to tango. Denver wants all and Walsh will wait until trade deadline cause the pressure is on denver. I am sure they don't want to lose melo for nothing.

rp wrote:

PresIke wrote:

Papabear wrote:

PresIke wrote:

Vmart wrote:
Please don't believe that. Our bench is as good as anyone's bench. Its up to MDA to utilize it, this type of thinking is plain wrong. MDA is losing the trust factor and determining the players to be useless, which is wrong on his part.

what????

you're kidding, right?

in the context of our starters, they are not THAT much worse, but that's part of the problem.

we just don't have that much talent.

you want randolph to take stupid shots and miss defensive assignments?

mozgov to give up fouls and not be able to do anything consistently?

walker to be invisible other than take 3s?

and i won't even comment about the rest of the bench who's not playing.

Papabear Says

Well why did we sign them or why don't we just get rid of them.

actually, i think we may very well be moving at least 2 of those guys.

I hope its only 2 guys. But hey it takes two to tango. Denver wants all and Walsh will wait until trade deadline cause the pressure is on denver. I am sure they don't want to lose melo for nothing.

getting melo is not a given in. plus walsh is reportedly looking to make trades before deadline for other players.