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11/11/2010  9:47 AM
3-5. Would be 3-6 if we played Orlando.

Still early but this just doesn't seem like a good team to me. Even going as far back as preseason. UK "Stars" Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph have been TERRIBLE. I still cannot believe some of you wouldn't have traded these two bums for Carmelo Anthony.

Anyway, we really need Ronny Turiaf. We're right back to last year's defense without him. He's our anchor on D.

Very down right now. Hard to stomach we tanked for years getting to 2010 only to build another 30 win team.

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11/11/2010  10:41 AM
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knicks1248 wrote:there were several game last season where gallo took 15 by himself

Didn't we have this conversation a while ago? There was 1 game last season that gallo took 15 or more 3 pointers. That game he was 8-16. If you are shooting 50% from 3 I don't think you should stop shooting the 3.

Please take some time and look at the stats if you want to make an argument. Almost all of the games where he shoots a very high number of 3s, its because he is hitting a very high percentage of them.

Thats wonderful if he makes 30 in a row, i don't have a problem with that. It's not wonderful when there not going in, and your still shooting them. Even when you have it giong, you still got mix it up so you don't just become a habitual 3 point shooter,that goes for the whole team.

Gallo is a threat no doubt, but as a team, were not that good from downtown, but yet, we rely on 3's like we shoot 50% on a norm..

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11/11/2010  10:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  11:00 AM
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

Very good point. We have players who are not moving or even thinking when the ball isn't near them. We need Gallo and Chandler to plug in their hoops brains during the game so they can think even when the rock isn't in their hands.

On a separate issue: What can Chandler do to repair his missing teeth? I mean, they can't put teeth back into a face. Well, he wasn't good looking anyway, maybe this toothless look will work for him, makes him even uglier and meaner looking. Now if he could just develop some killer instincts and ferocity, we might have a player on our hands.

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11/11/2010  12:24 PM
Finestrg wrote:If I'm D'Antoni I'm telling my guys, make that f'in ORDERING my guys, not to take any 3-pt shots until further notice -- in fact I'd fine anyone who even took a Goddamn 3. That's what this has come to -- like punishing your kid for doing wrong by taking his favorite toy away from him..The 3 ball for this damn team is like a dangerous toy BB gun that your 5-year-old has no idea how to use and has business playing with...7-31..Gimme a break...HORRIBLE LOSS..TERRIBLE.

never going to happen... 3 balls give MDA major wood & he believes in his system no matter how crappy the team looks running it... the only way to change the way this team plays in terms of style of play is to change the head coach who will preach a new philosophy... otherwise you're gonna be stuck watching the same SSOL offense with guys catching & shooting on a regular basis with 2 guys running the PnR in the middle... only problem is we don't have 2 guys that can run the PnR together... that's sort of a problem that needs to be addressed... MDA needs to come up with a solution & fast, cuz if this team keeps playing this way we can forget about any playoff hopes this season... u can't win games consistently by just shooting 3's all game long, not that this is what he's preaching this year, but it sure as hell looks like how the team is playing this year... & last year... & the year before that.

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11/11/2010  12:26 PM
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

agree on Fields... he is our smartest player by far in terms of hoops IQ... kid always seems to know where to be, when to rotate, when to cut & where to pass the ball to.

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11/11/2010  12:57 PM
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

agree on Fields... he is our smartest player by far in terms of hoops IQ... kid always seems to know where to be, when to rotate, when to cut & where to pass the ball to.

I wish I had video edit capabilities like Cosmic does cause last night there was a CLASSIC example of how this played out.

Amare was in the high post on the right side of court and Fields got the ball at the 3point line (also on the right hand side) and cut hard towards the middle of the court, down the throat of the FT area. Defense collapsed and Chandler was sitting on the baseline 3point area and Gallo was at the elbow extended 3 point area (both on opposite side where Fields started). Both of their defenders sagged down to cut off Fields going to hoop. Either one of those guys could have cut to the hoop and Fields could have passed the ball off for an easy dunk (Chandler prob had the better angle), but both of those guys stood out there.

Ball went smartly to Chandler for a clearly wide open 3 point shot and a miss. If Fields and Chandler had been in reverse roles, Fields would have gone to the rim for an easy basket.

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11/11/2010  1:24 PM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

agree on Fields... he is our smartest player by far in terms of hoops IQ... kid always seems to know where to be, when to rotate, when to cut & where to pass the ball to.

I wish I had video edit capabilities like Cosmic does cause last night there was a CLASSIC example of how this played out.

Amare was in the high post on the right side of court and Fields got the ball at the 3point line (also on the right hand side) and cut hard towards the middle of the court, down the throat of the FT area. Defense collapsed and Chandler was sitting on the baseline 3point area and Gallo was at the elbow extended 3 point area (both on opposite side where Fields started). Both of their defenders sagged down to cut off Fields going to hoop. Either one of those guys could have cut to the hoop and Fields could have passed the ball off for an easy dunk (Chandler prob had the better angle), but both of those guys stood out there.

Ball went smartly to Chandler for a clearly wide open 3 point shot and a miss. If Fields and Chandler had been in reverse roles, Fields would have gone to the rim for an easy basket.

it could be the design of the play for Wilson & Gallo to camp out at the 3 pt line & wait for a kickout off Fields' penetration... i dunno how many times i've seen that same type of sequence play out over the past 2+ years... i don't see nearly enough cutting to the basket from our guys... but do we apply that to their lack of hoops IQ or to the coaching?

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11/11/2010  1:39 PM
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

agree on Fields... he is our smartest player by far in terms of hoops IQ... kid always seems to know where to be, when to rotate, when to cut & where to pass the ball to.

I wish I had video edit capabilities like Cosmic does cause last night there was a CLASSIC example of how this played out.

Amare was in the high post on the right side of court and Fields got the ball at the 3point line (also on the right hand side) and cut hard towards the middle of the court, down the throat of the FT area. Defense collapsed and Chandler was sitting on the baseline 3point area and Gallo was at the elbow extended 3 point area (both on opposite side where Fields started). Both of their defenders sagged down to cut off Fields going to hoop. Either one of those guys could have cut to the hoop and Fields could have passed the ball off for an easy dunk (Chandler prob had the better angle), but both of those guys stood out there.

Ball went smartly to Chandler for a clearly wide open 3 point shot and a miss. If Fields and Chandler had been in reverse roles, Fields would have gone to the rim for an easy basket.

it could be the design of the play for Wilson & Gallo to camp out at the 3 pt line & wait for a kickout off Fields' penetration... i dunno how many times i've seen that same type of sequence play out over the past 2+ years... i don't see nearly enough cutting to the basket from our guys... but do we apply that to their lack of hoops IQ or to the coaching?

i dunno, I am not a big fan of saying that it's the design of the coaching staff, no matter who the staff is. I am not sure how Wilson and Gallo sit out there and dont move but Fields will cut all day and get easy baskets. Just in the same way we know that TD should be going over any pick to keep with his player when on defense, no way coaching staff was designing Nate and Duhon to go under it; players got to step up and do the right and smart thing.

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11/11/2010  5:22 PM
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11/11/2010  7:21 PM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

agree on Fields... he is our smartest player by far in terms of hoops IQ... kid always seems to know where to be, when to rotate, when to cut & where to pass the ball to.

I wish I had video edit capabilities like Cosmic does cause last night there was a CLASSIC example of how this played out.

Amare was in the high post on the right side of court and Fields got the ball at the 3point line (also on the right hand side) and cut hard towards the middle of the court, down the throat of the FT area. Defense collapsed and Chandler was sitting on the baseline 3point area and Gallo was at the elbow extended 3 point area (both on opposite side where Fields started). Both of their defenders sagged down to cut off Fields going to hoop. Either one of those guys could have cut to the hoop and Fields could have passed the ball off for an easy dunk (Chandler prob had the better angle), but both of those guys stood out there.

Ball went smartly to Chandler for a clearly wide open 3 point shot and a miss. If Fields and Chandler had been in reverse roles, Fields would have gone to the rim for an easy basket.

it could be the design of the play for Wilson & Gallo to camp out at the 3 pt line & wait for a kickout off Fields' penetration... i dunno how many times i've seen that same type of sequence play out over the past 2+ years... i don't see nearly enough cutting to the basket from our guys... but do we apply that to their lack of hoops IQ or to the coaching?

i dunno, I am not a big fan of saying that it's the design of the coaching staff, no matter who the staff is. I am not sure how Wilson and Gallo sit out there and dont move but Fields will cut all day and get easy baskets. Just in the same way we know that TD should be going over any pick to keep with his player when on defense, no way coaching staff was designing Nate and Duhon to go under it; players got to step up and do the right and smart thing.


THANK YOU MARTIN!!! People have to realize that the players are out on the floor and they are the ones that have to make the decisions based on what the defense does. If you take a bad shot rather than make a pass or fake and drive, that's on the players. No coach wants players to take bad shots. If you watch Mike, he gets on his players when they do stupid things. His plays always have various great options based on what the defense does and common sense. He clearly wants the ball to keep moving and not stop, but players have tendencies, that they have to break. When they move themselves and move the ball, this offense is impossible to stop. But if you're just chucking 3's and ending up one and done and the other team getting out on the break, that's a recipe for disaster.

The truth is that this offense is broken right now. No PnR and No 3pt shooting is a huge problem. The team is forcing the PnR instead of letting it come as a natural flow of the offensive set. There's no misdirection and that makes it easy for teams to defend. YOU SEE IT COMING! It's not supposed to be that obvious. This is why it worked so well in PHX. Nash ran plays as if they weren't looking for the PnR and then bam, he would use a pick from Amare and before the defense could react it was a score. Too often they just throw Amare the ball and it's not even a PnR. He's stuck too far from the basket with the whole defense looking at him. Felton and TD must probe and penetrate the D to cause distraction and free up the other players. Since there's very little drive and kick or dribble penetration with the purpose of fooling the D, our PnR is weak.

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11/12/2010  12:05 AM
You guys are spot on.

When there is no movement the defense also tends to clog up the interior.
When there are so many bodies in the lane, they usually just resort to the 3.

Most of the team's current problems stems from lack of movement on offense off the ball.
When there are almost no cuts to the basket throughout the game, the PnR gets exposed.
The team needs to keep moving on offense in order to keep the defense guessing and constantly adjusting, which opens up the rest of the game.

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11/13/2010  10:04 PM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:More on Fields: when someone else goes towards the rim with the basket or if the PnR is going on the other side of the court, he makes smart cuts to the basket, whereas Gallo and Chandler just sit on the 3 point line.

agree on Fields... he is our smartest player by far in terms of hoops IQ... kid always seems to know where to be, when to rotate, when to cut & where to pass the ball to.

I wish I had video edit capabilities like Cosmic does cause last night there was a CLASSIC example of how this played out.

Amare was in the high post on the right side of court and Fields got the ball at the 3point line (also on the right hand side) and cut hard towards the middle of the court, down the throat of the FT area. Defense collapsed and Chandler was sitting on the baseline 3point area and Gallo was at the elbow extended 3 point area (both on opposite side where Fields started). Both of their defenders sagged down to cut off Fields going to hoop. Either one of those guys could have cut to the hoop and Fields could have passed the ball off for an easy dunk (Chandler prob had the better angle), but both of those guys stood out there.

Ball went smartly to Chandler for a clearly wide open 3 point shot and a miss. If Fields and Chandler had been in reverse roles, Fields would have gone to the rim for an easy basket.

it could be the design of the play for Wilson & Gallo to camp out at the 3 pt line & wait for a kickout off Fields' penetration... i dunno how many times i've seen that same type of sequence play out over the past 2+ years... i don't see nearly enough cutting to the basket from our guys... but do we apply that to their lack of hoops IQ or to the coaching?

i dunno, I am not a big fan of saying that it's the design of the coaching staff, no matter who the staff is. I am not sure how Wilson and Gallo sit out there and dont move but Fields will cut all day and get easy baskets. Just in the same way we know that TD should be going over any pick to keep with his player when on defense, no way coaching staff was designing Nate and Duhon to go under it; players got to step up and do the right and smart thing.

i find it curious then why MDA would publically be calling Fields out for cutting too much into the lane... wasn't that the gist of his comments the other night?

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