knicks1248 wrote:

This is a very intereting perspective on whats potentially going to happen ..

There are also several reasons why Anthony’s blackmailing of the Nuggets and forcing a trade to New York would be bad news for the NBA at large.

Such a move would constitute collateral damage from the LeBron/Bosh signing with Miami. Like Cleveland, the Denver franchise would be decimated for the foreseeable future. And if teams like Cleveland, Denver and Toronto failed to keep their heroes at home, then future blue-chip free agents would be understandably reluctant to play in these talent-short ghost towns. (Kevin Durant is the exception that might prove the rule.) This would be the case no matter how much cap room might be available.

No defense
Reuniting Amar'e and D'Antoni is an idea as bad as the Knicks. Charley Rosen
Since the best players would undoubtedly seek to play in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Miami and Boston, the future of the NBA could easily consist of a handful of exceptional teams along with two dozen or so bottom-feeders. Not only would there be a boring lack of competitive balance throughout the majority of the regular season, but also small-market teams would be in jeopardy.

Franchises like Memphis, Sacramento, Charlotte, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota and New Orleans eventually could be forced to relocate. But to where?

Another alternative might be to consolidate several of the teams that would be at risk — retract instead of expand.

Considering any possible projection — and hot on the heels of “The Decision” — allowing Anthony to strong-arm the Nuggets would be ruinous for professional basketball as we know it.

They were talking about that article just now on PTI. Both thought it was bunk because only 8 teams have won it all since 1980, the Lakers winning a third of them. There never was much competitive balance to begin with. New York hasn't won in almost 40 years. I don't see the benefit of one of the biggest market teams being on a losing streak like that. If anything, New York being relevant again would be great for the NBA. Hopefully there will be more players like Durant who don't need a major market team to feel relevant.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

This is a very intereting perspective on whats potentially going to happen ..

There are also several reasons why Anthony’s blackmailing of the Nuggets and forcing a trade to New York would be bad news for the NBA at large.

Such a move would constitute collateral damage from the LeBron/Bosh signing with Miami. Like Cleveland, the Denver franchise would be decimated for the foreseeable future. And if teams like Cleveland, Denver and Toronto failed to keep their heroes at home, then future blue-chip free agents would be understandably reluctant to play in these talent-short ghost towns. (Kevin Durant is the exception that might prove the rule.) This would be the case no matter how much cap room might be available.

No defense
Reuniting Amar'e and D'Antoni is an idea as bad as the Knicks. Charley Rosen
Since the best players would undoubtedly seek to play in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Miami and Boston, the future of the NBA could easily consist of a handful of exceptional teams along with two dozen or so bottom-feeders. Not only would there be a boring lack of competitive balance throughout the majority of the regular season, but also small-market teams would be in jeopardy.

Franchises like Memphis, Sacramento, Charlotte, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota and New Orleans eventually could be forced to relocate. But to where?

Another alternative might be to consolidate several of the teams that would be at risk — retract instead of expand.

Considering any possible projection — and hot on the heels of “The Decision” — allowing Anthony to strong-arm the Nuggets would be ruinous for professional basketball as we know it.

They were talking about that article just now on PTI. Both thought it was bunk because only 8 teams have won it all since 1980, the Lakers winning a third of them. There never was much competitive balance to begin with. New York hasn't won in almost 40 years. I don't see the benefit of one of the biggest market teams being on a losing streak like that. If anything, New York being relevant again would be great for the NBA. Hopefully there will be more players like Durant who don't need a major market team to feel relevant.

Yeah I thought about that, but still posted it to see what others thought..

iSergio wrote:Trading 2 of these 3 (Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph) and Eddy Curry for Carmelo Anthony is not gutting the team. We still have Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Kelenna Azubuike, Toney Douglas and 1/3 (Gallo, Chandler, Randolph) plus Melo.

Honestly, a Gallo, Chandler or Randolph and Curry for Melo is a fair trade for both teams under these circumstances.

Also, if we acquired Melo, where exactly does Gallo fit? They play the same position! Do you really want Melo at SG or Gallo at PF? If Gallo becomes a 6th Man with Melo here, his minutes and shots will be limited. And Gallo is a pretty useless player without shots. He doesn't do much else!

Screw it - Gallo & Chandler/Randolph and Curry for Melo. Get it done!

PF: Amar'e Stoudemire --- Anthony Randolph or Wilson Chandler
SF: Carmelo Anthony --- Landry Fields
C: Ronny Turiaf --- Timofey Mozgov
SG: Kelenna Azubuike --- Roger Mason
PG: Raymond Felton --- Toney Douglas

That's a 55 win team people!!!

At the cost of tying yourself to a likely max contract for the next 5/6 years. These players and agents are pushing this now because under the new CBA they do not expect to get the same kind of contracts. More eggs for the money in our basket. And they want to much.

As well as points/possession do not agree with the seeming consensus on Melo

knickstorrents wrote:

iSergio wrote:Trading 2 of these 3 (Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph) and Eddy Curry for Carmelo Anthony is not gutting the team. We still have Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Kelenna Azubuike, Toney Douglas and 1/3 (Gallo, Chandler, Randolph) plus Melo.

Honestly, a Gallo, Chandler or Randolph and Curry for Melo is a fair trade for both teams under these circumstances.

Also, if we acquired Melo, where exactly does Gallo fit? They play the same position! Do you really want Melo at SG or Gallo at PF? If Gallo becomes a 6th Man with Melo here, his minutes and shots will be limited. And Gallo is a pretty useless player without shots. He doesn't do much else!

Screw it - Gallo & Chandler/Randolph and Curry for Melo. Get it done!

PF: Amar'e Stoudemire --- Anthony Randolph or Wilson Chandler
SF: Carmelo Anthony --- Landry Fields
C: Ronny Turiaf --- Timofey Mozgov
SG: Kelenna Azubuike --- Roger Mason
PG: Raymond Felton --- Toney Douglas

That's a 55 win team people!!!

Sorry if you think that can win 55 games... last season 4 teams won 55 or more games: Cleveland, Orlando, LA, and Dallas. That team you list is inferior to those teams. I would argue that the above team is closest to Cleveland in terms of talent level, except none of the above players is as good as Lebron.

We'd need to keep the current team and pray for improvement to have a decent shot... we're just lacking too many pieces (such as a decent center). For us to improve the team at this point requires patience in letting what we have improve and gel, and net addition of assets. Trading for players like Carmelo by giving away players with potential doesn't get us anywhere.

hmm, i dunno if u can say that team is comparable to CLE's roster... who did CLE have that was even close to being as good as Amare? Antawn Jamison is not on his level regardless of what the stats may say... Amare is a guy that can be the focal point of an offense, Jamison is not... when u have 2 guys that can carry an offense like Amare & Melo on the same team, it's very tough to beat... i love Gallo & would love to keep him, but if you could get Melo in exchange for him i think u have to do it (as long as u can keep AR to be the 6th man off the bench)

BRIGGS wrote:You see what is going on?

If the Rockets or Nets can present an offer that is agreeable to the Nuggets, Carmelo Anthony is open to being traded to, and signing a long-term extension with, one of these two clubs.

The story was reported by Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated, citing multiple league sources familiar with the situation.

The Knicks are believed to be Anthony's top choice.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68748/20100818/sources_melo_also_interested_in_rockets_nets/#ixzz0wzMzy5g0

They want AR Gallo Chandler Fields +picks--and of course there will be stiff competition---and its saying that he will sign--so that ups the ante right? So the deal is this you either trade your whole team away with nothing left to build with or you continue the process that we are on.

briggs, this is a simple concept and you hit the nail on the head..

If melo said, he will only sign an extension with the knicks, then that puts the knicks in the drivers seat.

But if he said that he would be agreeable to singing an extension elsewhere, that opens the doors to other suitors who have more to offer, which in turn ups the ante for the knicks.. and that price would be gutting the team...

I am not down for that...

"What do they have?" a Nuggets source said. "That makes it tough."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/08/19/2010-08-19_new_york_knicks_may_not_have_sufficient_trade_bait_to_acquire_carmelo_anthony_fr.html?r=sports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks+%28Sports%2FBasketball%2FKnicks%29

Hey Nuggets, why don't you phone Toronto and ask them how their stance of denial with Bosh worked out for them? And while you're at it why don't you phone the Suns and ask them whether they enjoyed working out equal value trades for Amar'e only for him to void them by telling the other team he wouldn't re-sign with them?

Screw them and their arrogance- I hope they lose him for nothing next offseason!

iSergio wrote:Fact is, the rest of the league doesn't view Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as some of you view them, which is very unrealistic to be honest. Both are nice players with talent but some of you make them out to be studs and future Stars when neither of them have shown enough to deserve that. Gallo wasn't even the best player on a 29 win team. And Randolph was one of three players traded for David Lee. I think Gallo and Randolph are more likely to become high caliber role players then future All-Stars. And the rest of the league feels that way too.

Very true.

Someone mentioned trading away our potential stars and not liking it. I appreciate that, but pretty much every team in every sport will trade potential for an all-star every and any day of the week, twice on Sunday. It's nice if you can keep a guy like Lee and watch him develop and improve be it for your team or with eyes on using him to acquire other players, but potential has the ability to be realized or never be fulfilled. A real, current, and healthy all-star is a no-brainer acquisition when available. I would be great if the Knicks can eventually land Melo without losing Danilo or Randolph, but I'd trade both in a second for Carmelo last month.

AnubisADL wrote:

iSergio wrote:Fact is, the rest of the league doesn't view Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as some of you view them, which is very unrealistic to be honest. Both are nice players with talent but some of you make them out to be studs and future Stars when neither of them have shown enough to deserve that. Gallo wasn't even the best player on a 29 win team. And Randolph was one of three players traded for David Lee. I think Gallo and Randolph are more likely to become high caliber role players then future All-Stars. And the rest of the league feels that way too.

Bingo. You cant get a proven stud like Carmelo in his prime for "promising" young players. This is why I prefer to wait.

I agree in essence, but is Carmelo willing to be as patient as Knicks have been and continue to be?

Ideally he decides to stick the season out in Denver and come to NY next off-season, but again the Knicks just don't have the horses to land him a trade scenario right now.

BRIGGS wrote:Why I don't get from fans is this

We just witnessed a free agency where there was no movement--none. If carmelo really wanst to come here like Lebron wanted to go to Miami--he will just be quiet and play out his year--what happened with Bosh and LBJ--they just played out the year. Next year we can evaluate who might need to go where. But if a guy is willing to come FREE--if teams around the league realize he is going to NY and wont pony up--why the H would you big against yourself for something that would happen--again for fREE anyway/?? This was a rebuild--it takes 2-3 years--we will be good this year--why cant fans sit back and think. No one is stealing melo if HE WANTS to come to NY--so sit back and let it happen. Miami fans sat back and played out thye year--and they were rewarded---I think NY fans have to be appeased at the moment so to speak--if we give up everything that Denver would want--wed stink anyway even with melo.

I want Gallo Randolph and hopefully Chandler as 10 year Knicks--we argued about who we should draft Gallo or Randolph and we frikin have both of them --and now because people do NOT have common sense or are spastic want to give it away--just chill and get it for free. Go get some sun and relax and let things play out over the next year.

I think the difference between Melo and this past years FAs is the timing of the new CBA. It is quite possible and understandable that Melo wants to be in a city of his choice and also make the max under the current CBA. He takes a risk by waiting until next off season and the possible salary restrictions a new agreement may have. By getting the trade done this season he can be extended under the team that he goes to. Its the best deal for him.