Allanfan20 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Wiretap has referenced an Isola tweet where Isola says he is hearing that Stern will allow Thomas to function as both the FIU coach and as a consultant for the Knicks.

Great.

I guess the only silver lining is being able to bring this one out of retirement

sidsanders wrote:

PresIke wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

PresIke wrote:is it not crazy to after giving a person millions of dollars when they did a bad job to want more?

it isnt however given the context of the bad job, i would rather write the loss off then invest even more time/materials into a failed venture. folks assume the worst cuz thats what we have gotten for 10 years, heck even in the best of times (ewing era) we are closing in on 40 years with no title.

to even think a guy who pooped on the whole org with a lawsuit, horrible player transactions, etc would even be considered to come back in is nuts.

easy to say when you aren't the one shelling out millions of dollars for someone to do nothing.

look how they treated marbury, they played hardball with him, refusing to buy him out and dragging out the story, because of what he did to the organization too.

dolan seems to me to be someone who does not like feeling he has been taken advantage of...insecure.

does that seem to be the case or does it seem to be dolan is a clown who just likes having IT around? marbury was a player, IT was in a position to cause (and did cause) greater amounts of damage. allowing poor leaders to continue when you can at least remove them is bad business, even if you have to eat $$. to then bring the same guy back (or make it official) cuz you feel cheated? what could that possibly accomplish from a functional business view? if he was flat out elite at something outside of grief (or as a player), i could see it. if dolan feels cheated from awful performance/loss of $$ -- sue the guy. dont "hire" him.

i'm not saying it is a good idea, but let's get the facts straight...

unless howard beck is lying -- which i have no reason to believe since he's shown to be a legit reporter who actually attempts to be objective, and the ny times, unlike the post and daily news sports sections, does not tolerate false information and speculation passed as insight -- for the 10th time...

ISIAH WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY FIRED FROM THE ORGANIZATION...

He was demoted and now his role has been identified.

it's not as bad as putting him back in charge, which at this point there is no indication of happening.

the job description describes his role.

he's a CONSULTANT not a DECIDER.

so all this talk that he's going to make trades now (not that you are saying this, btw, but others here) is based on zero real evidence other than speculation and fears because of his previous work with the team when he was in charge...which he isn't.

and, if we also try to be objective for one sec, we also know that isiah did do some things at least reasonably well, which was finding talent late in the draft. that's what he's supposed to do according to the job description, so why is this actually so bad other than for fans who are so scared he will be back that it's hard to even think with one ounce of rational thought that there is a reasonable level of expectation that he will not be in charge of the team again.

PresIke wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

PresIke wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

PresIke wrote:is it not crazy to after giving a person millions of dollars when they did a bad job to want more?

it isnt however given the context of the bad job, i would rather write the loss off then invest even more time/materials into a failed venture. folks assume the worst cuz thats what we have gotten for 10 years, heck even in the best of times (ewing era) we are closing in on 40 years with no title.

to even think a guy who pooped on the whole org with a lawsuit, horrible player transactions, etc would even be considered to come back in is nuts.

easy to say when you aren't the one shelling out millions of dollars for someone to do nothing.

look how they treated marbury, they played hardball with him, refusing to buy him out and dragging out the story, because of what he did to the organization too.

dolan seems to me to be someone who does not like feeling he has been taken advantage of...insecure.

does that seem to be the case or does it seem to be dolan is a clown who just likes having IT around? marbury was a player, IT was in a position to cause (and did cause) greater amounts of damage. allowing poor leaders to continue when you can at least remove them is bad business, even if you have to eat $$. to then bring the same guy back (or make it official) cuz you feel cheated? what could that possibly accomplish from a functional business view? if he was flat out elite at something outside of grief (or as a player), i could see it. if dolan feels cheated from awful performance/loss of $$ -- sue the guy. dont "hire" him.

i'm not saying it is a good idea, but let's get the facts straight...

unless howard beck is lying -- which i have no reason to believe since he's shown to be a legit reporter who actually attempts to be objective, and the ny times, unlike the post and daily news sports sections, does not tolerate false information and speculation passed as insight -- for the 10th time...

ISIAH WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY FIRED FROM THE ORGANIZATION...

He was demoted and now his role has been identified.

it's not as bad as putting him back in charge, which at this point there is no indication of happening.

the job description describes his role.

he's a CONSULTANT not a DECIDER.

so all this talk that he's going to make trades now (not that you are saying this, btw, but others here) is based on zero real evidence other than speculation and fears because of his previous work with the team when he was in charge...which he isn't.

and, if we also try to be objective for one sec, we also know that isiah did do some things at least reasonably well, which was finding talent late in the draft. that's what he;s supposed to do, so why is this actually so bad other than for fans who are so scared he will be back that it's hard to even think with one ounce of rationale thought that there is a reasonable level of expectation that he will not be in charge of the team again.

HE IS BEST FRIENDS WITH JAMES DOLAN.

NO OTHER OWNER IN THE NBA IS BRINGING BACK AWFUL EMPLOYEES FROM THEIR PAST. NONE.

YOU TELL ME HOW THIS LOOKS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

You think Dolan cares more about Allan Houston or Isiah Thomas? You tell me. Who did he hire just now? Who has he associated himself with since 2003, even after all the **** he did to the team? No other owner would do what Dolan is doing right now. Which means that there is a better than good chance that Dolan will also be the only owner to re-hire one of the worst GM's in franchise history.

Do you see Rich Kotite consulting the Jets or Ray Handley consulting the Giants? Are Art Howe and Steve Phillips showing up to halftime ceremonies for the Mets? Dallas Green and Bob Lemon doing any gigs for the Yankees? We are the ONLY team that is this pathetic. Failing to acknowledge that is simply being delusional.

And please stop telling people they're believing the papers. SCREW the papers. The media doesn't dictate my thinking at all. I think for myself. I already said this was awful the moment it was rumored. You don't understand James Dolan and how big of a moron he is. You are living in a fantasy world if you think he is simply going to be a consultant for anything more than a year. Isiah's gigantic ego - plus his snake-like ways - and Dolan's obsessive love for him will not allow it. End of story.

awful if you just react to everything and go solely by that. how about instead of just reacting to everything with rage and holding onto it, regardless of what the evidence is, we think about other ways to see what's going on.

i am not even saying i like the move, of course i don't, although if isiah can do good work as a consultant than great. what can you do about it?

beck has laid out a pretty clear picture of the situation that speaks to a more calm response.

right, so you just go and believe what you want...screw the facts or screw reporters that try to do an honest job of getting a real story.

you can think what you want, as will i and everyone else here, but don't expect me to take what one says who just has an opinion and speculation seriously.

when, glen beck and other "blogger" type media people spew a lot of false b.s. i am sorry i don't care if it's what "you" think if it's lacking balance and basis in real evidence.

apparently you also keep ignoring the fact that i have written here multiple times...including my last post...

ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED
ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED
ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED
ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED
ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED
ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED

is that enough? i'll write it one more time just in case you missed it...

ISIAH WAS NEVER FIRED

you can't be hired when you were never fired...

but who cares about the facts, right, always convenient to ignore them when they don't fit what one wants to believe, no?

PresIke wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

PresIke wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

PresIke wrote:is it not crazy to after giving a person millions of dollars when they did a bad job to want more?

it isnt however given the context of the bad job, i would rather write the loss off then invest even more time/materials into a failed venture. folks assume the worst cuz thats what we have gotten for 10 years, heck even in the best of times (ewing era) we are closing in on 40 years with no title.

to even think a guy who pooped on the whole org with a lawsuit, horrible player transactions, etc would even be considered to come back in is nuts.

easy to say when you aren't the one shelling out millions of dollars for someone to do nothing.

look how they treated marbury, they played hardball with him, refusing to buy him out and dragging out the story, because of what he did to the organization too.

dolan seems to me to be someone who does not like feeling he has been taken advantage of...insecure.

does that seem to be the case or does it seem to be dolan is a clown who just likes having IT around? marbury was a player, IT was in a position to cause (and did cause) greater amounts of damage. allowing poor leaders to continue when you can at least remove them is bad business, even if you have to eat $$. to then bring the same guy back (or make it official) cuz you feel cheated? what could that possibly accomplish from a functional business view? if he was flat out elite at something outside of grief (or as a player), i could see it. if dolan feels cheated from awful performance/loss of $$ -- sue the guy. dont "hire" him.

i'm not saying it is a good idea, but let's get the facts straight...

unless howard beck is lying -- which i have no reason to believe since he's shown to be a legit reporter who actually attempts to be objective, and the ny times, unlike the post and daily news sports sections, does not tolerate false information and speculation passed as insight -- for the 10th time...

ISIAH WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY FIRED FROM THE ORGANIZATION...

He was demoted and now his role has been identified.

it's not as bad as putting him back in charge, which at this point there is no indication of happening.

the job description describes his role.

he's a CONSULTANT not a DECIDER.

so all this talk that he's going to make trades now (not that you are saying this, btw, but others here) is based on zero real evidence other than speculation and fears because of his previous work with the team when he was in charge...which he isn't.

and, if we also try to be objective for one sec, we also know that isiah did do some things at least reasonably well, which was finding talent late in the draft. that's what he's supposed to do according to the job description, so why is this actually so bad other than for fans who are so scared he will be back that it's hard to even think with one ounce of rational thought that there is a reasonable level of expectation that he will not be in charge of the team again.

does it matter if he was or wasnt ever fired? point being the announcement was not well thought out (did they expect folks to not care or react?) and has lead to all this speculation and rumor. none of which is encouraging. it would have been better for most to leave things as they were rather then say anything -- in this case, ignorance probably was for the better, at least for now.

my responses were based on parts of what you said in terms of why dolan may be acting -- those are what i dont agree on (dolan feeling like he needs IT to earn $$).

we really cant find a diff scout to help pick up late round picks/udfa's?

dolan seems unable to separate IT the player from IT the exec. given that IT got an extension based on what turned out to be a well below avg year of coaching (combined with AWFUL gm skills) is why, in my view, i could see this possibly getting much worse. if walsh bails/doesnt renew/etc, my fear will increase cuz dolan is a complete wild card as to what he would do -- unless stern is also in his ear at that point.

is it difficult to see that the announcement of this could very well be a way to avoid that info coming into the public outside of their control, like say via a berman/isola "report" with rampant speculation even worse because they discovered isiah was still on the books?

notice they did it at the low point of nba media coverage?

i wrote about this at least twice in detail here.

anyway, i give up explaining (for now at least).

secondly, yeah i'm annoying to you, because the facts don't fit your view.

way to avoid the facts and resort to a baseless accusations.

i think isiah is a good person?

could you point to where i said that?

no, you can't, because i never did.

PresIke wrote:thanks for the name calling...i apologized for mine, which pales in comparison, but that was more than uncalled for.

secondly, yeah i'm annoying to you, because the facts don't fit your view.

way to avoid the facts and resort to a baseless accusations.

i think isiah is a good person?

could you point to where i said that?

no, you can't, because i never did.

You're being a jerk. I think you even realized that when you apologized for an insult (while I was writing the previous post). You don't have to write insults to be a jerk. You keep pushing, pushing, pushing your opinion on others in an arrogant and smug way that is very annoying. You think you're right, good for you. But to act like this? THAT'S uncalled for.