Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:What became of the passangers?

What became of them is the same fate as the ones in the World Trade Ctrs, it's called MURDER! Evil men don't care who's randomly sacrificed for their greater cause.

So much written about the act, but not the "Greater Cause".

Ok, 10 years since. What then? What now? What about the "Cause"?

Riddle me this Nalod, what will your knowledge of the "Greater Cause" do to change how you view the events that occurred on 911 ?

WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE PARTIES INVOLVED TO GET THE ANSWER?? Why do you continue to ask me ?

You keep putting up "evidence" that the Government was involved. But those hours and hours of material hardley if at all touches on motive.

"World order" and "greedy oil" is very abstract in nature.

Thes acusations are very serious but they lack the motivation for the final result.

WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE PARTIES INVOLVED TO GET THE ANSWER?

Playa,

in simple terms, you can just say "I don't know the answer".

That I can respect. A smart man knows what he does not know.

You really don't have to carry the burdan of proving the conspiracy. so much information is in the public for viewing. If you believe it thats cool.

I have long contended its very plausable but before I could ever become emotionally involved I need not just proof, but a deeper understanding of why. IN fact, one could make a moral arguement if losing a building and 3000 lives helped to save 50,000 people it might be a worthy sacrifice. I can't make that arguement because we don't know "WHY". A crime as you and others who believe in might have been commited but crimes have motives.

If those who commited it believe a pre-emptive strike this would be tough to justify with evidence. A pre-emptive strike is not tangable. LIke dropping the bomb on Japan might have prevented further causualties, its open to debate.

Playa: Look at the evidence presented, do you believe?:

Nalod: Lots of information, its plausable! WHy they do it?

Playa: I don't know.

Nalod: Me neither.

Playa: Go knicks!

Nalod: Right on!

Playa: Look at the evidence presented, do you believe?:

Nalod: Lots of information, its plausable! WHy they do it?

Playa: I don't know.

Nalod: Me neither.

Playa: Go knicks!

Nalod: Right on!

Nalod: How many times we gonna do this?

Playa: I'll keep shwoing you video until you relent.

Nalod: Ok, but until you give me some plausible scenarios based on economic and political theory then Im not inclinded to be on board. I gotta say though, if those are fukking halograms they are cool as ****!

Nalod: Why?

Playa: Dunno?

Nalod: Go Knicks!

Playa: Right on!

"To put it as concisely as possible, the plane had to have flown on a very specific flight path in the final seconds before it reached the Pentagon in order to have caused the observed damage, starting with the light poles that were photographed on the ground and ending with the directional damage to the building itself which was outlined in detail by the American Society of Civil Engineers," explains Ranke. "The government claims the plane flew on this flight path and hit the building. The eyewitnesses in all of the most critical vantage points, on the other hand, independently, unanimously, and unequivocally report a drastically different flight path, proving that the plane absolutely could not have hit the light poles or the building. It is a
non-controversial scientific fact that a strike from this trajectory would have caused a very different damage path."

It wasn't just witnesses who watched the plane approach the building that the team spoke with, however.

"We've also published our interview with a Pentagon police officer who saw the plane flying away from the Pentagon immediately after the explosion", says Marquis. "We already knew that the plane could not have hit based on the testimony of the witnesses on the other side of the building who watched it approach, but it was still vindicating to get this kind of confirmation."

masterjedidarkcaster wrote:September 11th is still a sore subject for many people, playa. As a New Yorker, not a day goes by where I don't think about the horrors that transpired. But, playa has a right to voice his opinion. Conspiracy theories are like the game telephone, by the time it reaches you, the message is warped and misunderstood, but there's still some truth to what they said.

Let the man talk, just don't let him flame.

Talking is fine. Spreading misinformation and unsubstantiated rumors, which are being passed off as undeniable fact, are insulting to anyone's intelligence, though. Many of the points in this thread have already been disproven. Playa won't even acknowledge information which contradicts what he posts. You can't really have a successful thread done in this manner.

Solace wrote:

masterjedidarkcaster wrote:September 11th is still a sore subject for many people, playa. As a New Yorker, not a day goes by where I don't think about the horrors that transpired. But, playa has a right to voice his opinion. Conspiracy theories are like the game telephone, by the time it reaches you, the message is warped and misunderstood, but there's still some truth to what they said.

Let the man talk, just don't let him flame.

Talking is fine. Spreading misinformation and unsubstantiated rumors, which are being passed off as undeniable fact, are insulting to anyone's intelligence, though. Many of the points in this thread have already been disproven. Playa won't even acknowledge information which contradicts what he posts. You can't really have a successful thread done in this manner.

Agree wholeheartedly. Didn't know he was passing them off as "undeniable fact." It's one thing to say this is one point of view, it's another to cry fact without HARD evidence.

masterjedidarkcaster wrote:

Solace wrote:

masterjedidarkcaster wrote:September 11th is still a sore subject for many people, playa. As a New Yorker, not a day goes by where I don't think about the horrors that transpired. But, playa has a right to voice his opinion. Conspiracy theories are like the game telephone, by the time it reaches you, the message is warped and misunderstood, but there's still some truth to what they said.

Let the man talk, just don't let him flame.

Talking is fine. Spreading misinformation and unsubstantiated rumors, which are being passed off as undeniable fact, are insulting to anyone's intelligence, though. Many of the points in this thread have already been disproven. Playa won't even acknowledge information which contradicts what he posts. You can't really have a successful thread done in this manner.

Agree wholeheartedly. Didn't know he was passing them off as "undeniable fact." It's one thing to say this is one point of view, it's another to cry fact without HARD evidence.

Many people who contained hard evidence may mysteriously be found dead in some form or fashion, whether it was apparent suicide, plane crash, heart attack etc...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Just the fact that the Joint Chief Staff formulated such a plan including attacking America and killing American citizens as acceptable causualties and kept it secret for almost 50 years, should be reason enough to consider any conspiracy. Someone high in office had to direct them to formulate such a plan. The fact why it wasn't used is a whole different discussion.

People who devise serious conspiracies are those who are in power and control the situation. Members of the liberty are still trying to get a chance to have a congressional hearing for almost 50 years as the number of survivors die off.

Highly credible engineers forensic experts and physicists have directly opposing views concerning
9/11 and yet are not put head to head to justify scientifically their claims. Why? Who could control that? Maybe there are good reasons that benefit the nation? But don't discount and laugh off conspiracy theories until there is an answer, that's very dangerous and leaves a wide margin for corruption and desolation of a nation.

Nalod wrote:

People who devise serious conspiracies are those who are in power and control the situation

People who follow conspiricies are those not in power and have little control?

Members of the liberty are still trying to get a chance to have a congressional hearing for almost 50 years as the number of survivors die off

Who/what are "THE LIBERTY" you mention. Did you even right this?

Highly credible engineers forensic experts and physicists have directly opposing views concerning
9/11 and yet are not put head to head to justify scientifically their claims. Why? Who could control that? Maybe there are good reasons that benefit the nation? But don't discount and laugh off conspiracy theories until there is an answer, that's very dangerous and leaves a wide margin for corruption and desolation of a nation.

It seems most conspiricy followers always asking questions and accusing? Also using intense "conspiricy" music adds to the drama and suspicious nature.

Playa, you spend a lot of time digging thru the internet looking for this stuff. Its compelling and interesting but it borders on entertainment. When I listen to "Rush Radio" its a similar pehenom. Lots of accusations and questions.

All those "Why did they.........." is asking a question that does not get answered.

Why would you need to kill american citizens and is collateral damage to achieve a greater good or savings of life acceptable.

There, maybe thats the arguement we should engage.

And if so, then it really boils down to power. Those who have it and we entrust and those that don't.

Seems like Gossip like "E!", TMZ and consipiricy is widley followed by those seeking control in a world they don't have. "Gossip" is huge in lower socio ecnomic popluation because they love to see the big fall as it shows that even famous people are human and not in total control of their world.

Nalod you don't know what I do man, this is so easy to get I don't look hard at all. KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON ISN'T A SIGN OF SEEKING POWER. It's knowing who to trust when all hell breaks loose.

Nalod you are either afraid because you know that you have no power, or you actually believe in the boob tube talking heads fox news etc.. and what they tell you that all conspiracies from JFK, MLK Pearl Harbor 911 IS ALL A HOAX , LOL

Who calls their parents and gives their full name. Wow they had to use this:

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

A Box of Chocolates is Like War
Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.

For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.

"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.