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TMS
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2/22/2010  10:15 PM
what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.
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2/22/2010  10:15 PM
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:MDA won 62 games and got to the WCF without a traditional C. I think he has no problem with centers, just bad ones. If we can add a guy like Camby he'd be happy with him, cuz he can play.

Personally, I don't give damn how many games he won with Nash and Amare. This guy is a slacker. The type of guy that comes in with a rosy resume coming from a fortune 500 company but when you put him in a real office where work needs to get done he doesn't have a clue.

Well said sir, great frickin analogy

Yeah whatever, he still won 54 games without Amare and Joe Johnson the next year. The Suns haven't been the same since he left. They were supposed to get so much better defensively once MDA was gone but they've gotten worse and the usual near top of the league Point Differential has shrunk as well. Don't judge the guy based on this ever changing and freaked up situation alone. We've changed the roster twice during his tenure. I could care less how he looks now. I'm more concerned with how he coaches next year and beyond.

I had a problem with this guy from jump his style of play fosters low percentage shot and Three point shot is a low percentage shot

His Suns team was one of the most efficient teams in the league! How about we wait till we actually put our real team together before we assume what MDA can or can't do as a coach?

Nix, your pissin' in the wind. Most people here didn't lke the MDA signing from jump so he gets no free-pass here regardless. Steve Nash is the one who gets all the credit for those two 60 wins sesons and the other 50+ wins. MDA just sat on his a## and twiddled his thumbs.

Yeah makes you wonder why all the Olympic team players loved him and why Coach K and others love him? He's such a scrub as a coach, that the Suns wish they had him back. You think Nash was happy he was gone? I guarantee you he wishes MDA was there after the last 2 seasons.


D'Antoni is great when he has great players who know what to do. I am not convinced he is good for a young team. Young players need coaching he may not be able to provide.
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2/22/2010  10:17 PM
TMS wrote:what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.

House is cool man. He has a very akward shot but they seem to fall at a decent rate.

I guess my standards are pretty low now.

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2/22/2010  10:17 PM
TMS wrote:what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.

What were Wilson and Gallo doing when they were out there?

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2/22/2010  10:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  10:18 PM
Listening to the post game show...D'antoni talking about how much better the defense played in the second half.....Well guess the Bucks were trying to develop some other position...because what I see in the boxscore was
Andrew Bogut, C 36 12-15 0-0 0-0 6 14 20 0 0 5 3 3 +13 24 and it was only that low because nobody fed him the ball down low.
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2/22/2010  10:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  10:19 PM
Olbrannon wrote:Listening to the post game show...D'antoni talking about how much better the defense played in the second half.....Well guess the Bucks were trying to develop some other position...because what I see in the boxscore was
Andrew Bogut, C 36 12-15 0-0 0-0 6 14 20 0 0 5 3 3 +13 24 and it was only that low because nobody fed him the ball down low.

really didnt get the bucks the second half. dude missed 3 shots the whole game and they would go down the court and make no effort to get him the ball. dude didnt even take a ft

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2/22/2010  10:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  10:22 PM
TMS wrote:what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.

Minutes aside, is it really MDA's fault that House put up 16 shots and Chandler and Gallo played hot potato with the ball out front? How many times did the 6'10 Gallo, long-stride in the lane, leap then kick it back out like he was a point guard? House has no concious because he's a shooter. Gallo is supposed to be our best shooter, yet he's reluctant to shoot.
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2/22/2010  10:20 PM
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WindsorPl wrote:Outrebounded 61 to 35. Bogut had 24 and 20 with 5 blocks and we still do not need a Center, right coach?
Gallo played poor offensively, but I thought he did a great job on defense, that was supposed to be his weakness. Not sure what happened to Chandler. Sergio is still better than duhon, and I would still take Gallo over Lopez. His shot will catch when his legs do.
You know what the Knicks will rue? The 2 picks.

If Gallo doesnt have his legs at 21-22 years old--he will never have them. He doesnt know how to play NBA basketball like a 6-11 guy should.

Never is a long time, how about let's see with a couple of seasons under his belt?
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2/22/2010  10:21 PM
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Cartman718 wrote:you guys think Duhon can do a better job? (shaking my head)

Here's the thing............Duhon runs around at 25 miles per hour. His teammates, the opponents, the entire crowd and even the cheerleaders know exactly what he's going to do with the ball.

That means his teammates are always ready.

With Sergio.............he's going at 80 miles an hour all game long, the teammates are a little huh? we're supposed to run with this guy?

tmac and gallo are not ready to run up and down like that just yet

oh, i c... so it's everyone else's fault that they're just not taking advantage of Sergio's speed... gotcha.

Haha... maybe we swap out the Gatorade for some Red Bull?

I can't really tell what happened exactly because all I got is the radio. But what I can tell a total Duhon banishment certainly isn't justified. But I don't hate Duhon as much as others. But did sound like House was ice cold and Harrington & Chandler's lines sure look lame. And we got totally sonned in terms of defensive effort and in the paint.

Ah well. It will be an interesting March. I really can't get my panties in a bunch right now, this is a very different team than a week ago.

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2/22/2010  10:22 PM
TMS wrote:what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.

At this point in the season after the trades I think MDA is clearly trying certain looks to see how guys handle it and if they can be effective in certain roles. It's basically a long scouting session for the remaining games and I agree with the idea. Learn as much as we can about these guys cuz we've got some big decisions to make. This is one long audition phase guys, don't get so hot and bothered about wins and losses at this point.

We'll have some really good moments and a lot of bad ones, but it serves a purpose.
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2/22/2010  10:24 PM
TMS wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:you guys think Duhon can do a better job? (shaking my head)

Here's the thing............Duhon runs around at 25 miles per hour. His teammates, the opponents, the entire crowd and even the cheerleaders know exactly what he's going to do with the ball.

That means his teammates are always ready.

With Sergio.............he's going at 80 miles an hour all game long, the teammates are a little huh? we're supposed to run with this guy?

tmac and gallo are not ready to run up and down like that just yet

oh, i c... so it's everyone else's fault that they're just not taking advantage of Sergio's speed... gotcha.

he's running D'Antoni's system.......SSOL, not SSOM. the other players including tmac better get with the program.

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2/22/2010  10:25 PM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:wow, this offense sure is flowing a lot better with Sergio at the helm.

Ha Ha, I could see a game like this coming after all the positive comments about TMac, Sergio & House. Haven't you seen this before after a big opening performance and excitement a big letdown game follows?

We'll see how things workout, but i'm just glad that we let Sergio play, cuz at this point we need to see these guys and how they may fit into our future. I still like the kid and it seems the whole team had nothing tonight. That's gonna happen, bad shooting and lack of effort. Like I said it takes two to get an assist. Guys have to make shots. Like the steals tho.

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Nixluva Please Please!!! This was a lousy game and our defense sunk to a real low. Sergio is ok but sofar not the player we need. You talk future?? Who in the hell is gonna come here?? If Lebron is watching this stuff he ain't comin here. We stink up the place. McGrady may not last the season. He may not last 10 games. We got no future right now. Wrong coach, Wrong players, Wrong everything. Gallo and Chandler look confused.

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2/22/2010  10:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Funny MDA wants to go back to his own style of run and gun. Embarrass again Mike were now 14th in th east--going to give up John Wall to Utah

He needs to let Gallo play closer the rim. Gallo should be taking PF's off the dribble not SF's.


I think he will be a PF eventually, but his strength is still his J (not that you would know this from his recent shooting), and his body is not strong enough for the banging down low at this point. His game in the post is also more of a finesse style at this point. His issue is that on offense he is standing around and watching the game instead of playing it.

I would love to find out what is going on with his arm, though. This is an issue that came up in early December. The Knicks' trainers should have kept him from attending All-Star weekend and let him rest it up. I have seen enough inconsistent foul shooting and jumpers to know that something is wrong- even while playing with the back issue last year his free-throw shooting was excellent.

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2/22/2010  10:27 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.

House is cool man. He has a very akward shot but they seem to fall at a decent rate.

I guess my standards are pretty low now.

i actually like House, but i don't want this guy leading the team in shot attempts ever unless he's just in the zone shooting, which he wasn't tonight... there's no excuse for him to be taking that many shots in a game where his shots aren't falling... Wilson & Gallo taking a back seat for Eddie House to take shots is not a formula for success.

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2/22/2010  10:27 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Funny MDA wants to go back to his own style of run and gun. Embarrass again Mike were now 14th in th east--going to give up John Wall to Utah

He needs to let Gallo play closer the rim. Gallo should be taking PF's off the dribble not SF's.


I think he will be a PF eventually, but his strength is still his J (not that you would know this from his recent shooting), and his body is not strong enough for the banging down low at this point. His game in the post is also more of a finesse style at this point. His issue is that on offense he is standing around and watching the game instead of playing it.

I would love to find out what is going on with his arm, though. This is an issue that came up in early December. The Knicks' trainers should have kept him from attending All-Star weekend and let him rest it up. I have seen enough inconsistent foul shooting and jumpers to know that something is wrong- even while playing with the back issue last year his free-throw shooting was excellent.

Oh great. First the stiff legs, now this...

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2/22/2010  10:28 PM
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nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:wow, this offense sure is flowing a lot better with Sergio at the helm.

Ha Ha, I could see a game like this coming after all the positive comments about TMac, Sergio & House. Haven't you seen this before after a big opening performance and excitement a big letdown game follows?

We'll see how things workout, but i'm just glad that we let Sergio play, cuz at this point we need to see these guys and how they may fit into our future. I still like the kid and it seems the whole team had nothing tonight. That's gonna happen, bad shooting and lack of effort. Like I said it takes two to get an assist. Guys have to make shots. Like the steals tho.

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Nixluva Please Please!!! This was a lousy game and our defense sunk to a real low. Sergio is ok but sofar not the player we need. You talk future?? Who in the hell is gonna come here?? If Lebron is watching this stuff he ain't comin here. We stink up the place. McGrady may not last the season. He may not last 10 games. We got no future right now. Wrong coach, Wrong players, Wrong everything. Gallo and Chandler look confused.

You think it's not confusing when you trade out guys, switch in new ones and all late in the season? RELAX... this is not what the future team is gonna look like and for right now we will be in full scouting mode. Getting a look at the new guys added and the young guys to see how they continue to develop. I know it's frustrating, but that's how it is when you gut your team and are looking to start over. It's never pretty.
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2/22/2010  10:30 PM
With the trade deadline in the rearview (thank the Lord) and July a few miles out of sight, I'm just interested in watching this group of players and seeing what can do with them. Why even think about the L word at this point? I'm not ready to say Sergio is "not the player we need" after only 2 games.

Knicks basketball = a way to kill time until it gets warm and the ladies put their winter coats in the closet. Why make it bigger than that right now?

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2/22/2010  10:31 PM
nixluva wrote:
Papabear wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:wow, this offense sure is flowing a lot better with Sergio at the helm.

Ha Ha, I could see a game like this coming after all the positive comments about TMac, Sergio & House. Haven't you seen this before after a big opening performance and excitement a big letdown game follows?

We'll see how things workout, but i'm just glad that we let Sergio play, cuz at this point we need to see these guys and how they may fit into our future. I still like the kid and it seems the whole team had nothing tonight. That's gonna happen, bad shooting and lack of effort. Like I said it takes two to get an assist. Guys have to make shots. Like the steals tho.

Papabear Says

Nixluva Please Please!!! This was a lousy game and our defense sunk to a real low. Sergio is ok but sofar not the player we need. You talk future?? Who in the hell is gonna come here?? If Lebron is watching this stuff he ain't comin here. We stink up the place. McGrady may not last the season. He may not last 10 games. We got no future right now. Wrong coach, Wrong players, Wrong everything. Gallo and Chandler look confused.

You think it's not confusing when you trade out guys, switch in new ones and all late in the season? RELAX... this is not what the future team is gonna look like and for right now we will be in full scouting mode. Getting a look at the new guys added and the young guys to see how they continue to develop. I know it's frustrating, but that's how it is when you gut your team and are looking to start over. It's never pretty.

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2/22/2010  10:36 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Funny MDA wants to go back to his own style of run and gun. Embarrass again Mike were now 14th in th east--going to give up John Wall to Utah

He needs to let Gallo play closer the rim. Gallo should be taking PF's off the dribble not SF's.


I think he will be a PF eventually, but his strength is still his J (not that you would know this from his recent shooting), and his body is not strong enough for the banging down low at this point. His game in the post is also more of a finesse style at this point. His issue is that on offense he is standing around and watching the game instead of playing it.

I would love to find out what is going on with his arm, though. This is an issue that came up in early December. The Knicks' trainers should have kept him from attending All-Star weekend and let him rest it up. I have seen enough inconsistent foul shooting and jumpers to know that something is wrong- even while playing with the back issue last year his free-throw shooting was excellent.

Oh great. First the stiff legs, now this...
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2/22/2010  10:37 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
TMS wrote:what i wanna know is what the hell is Eddie House doing playing 30+ minutes & taking 16 shots??? MDA seriously has a boner for "his guys" & it makes me sick at this point... when u have Wilson & Gallo taking only 14 shots between the 2 of them & a role player off the bench like House taking 16, u know there's something seriously wrong.

What were Wilson and Gallo doing when they were out there?


Both of them are too respectful to the older players at times on offense, although this is more of an issue with Gallinari.

We also got out rebounded 35-61, and both Wilson and Gallo have to do a better job on the boards (75 minutes between them- 7 rebounds)

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