Allanfan20 wrote:Can't we at least wait to see what Cleveland and Phoenix do? If they make that trade, then those guys are staying in Cleveland, and you're now banking on two guys who both basically are anti current NY.

plan b seems 2 be: tmac+lee+second or lower tier FA... i sure hope that isnt the case

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's what the reality is, we need to have room to get two of the MaxFA's in order to get one. Once you accept that reality, then you understand that you need to cut more cap. There are only a couple of ways left to do that. Probably the least ugly way to do that is to include Hill in a deal to get rid of one of our remaining veteran deals. Dropping Wilson would be the worst because that would cripple us even further down the road.

TMS wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

tkf wrote:everything about this deal stinks.. Just stinks... the need to get rid of jeffries is so overplayed. For me, if we don't get lebron, use the money wisely, wait till jeffries and curry drop of the following year and make another FA move.. giving up hill and a Pick, plus a swap is assinine!!!

Its adult time. The electric company is going to turn the lights out if we don't get the bills paid, so its time to sell your lawnmower to keep your family warm this winter.

Yeah, it will suck to give up Hill and a #1 pick twenty-five months from now.

Here's what the reality is, we need to have room to get two of the MaxFA's in order to get one. Once you accept that reality, then you understand that you need to cut more cap. There are only a couple of ways left to do that. Probably the least ugly way to do that is to include Hill in a deal to get rid of one of our remaining veteran deals. Dropping Wilson would be the worst because that would cripple us even further down the road.

what they're proposing is absolutely ludicrous... giving up our #8 lottery pick selection from the last draft is bad enough to dump Fishlips' contract... u also want to trade swap rights & our 1st rounder in 2012? WTF, would they like Adriana Lima to lick their balls while Jessica Alba administers a good salad tossing in the deal as well?

rofl.. for real!!

AnubisADL wrote:We all need to pray we get Lebron and Wade/Johnson this summer.

Anybody
Gallo
Lebron
Wade
Anybody

The light is at the end of the tunnel. Lets hope it isnt a train.

Don't do it to yourself cousin. Convince yourself he's not coming. That way if he comes, you then convince yourself he needs to prove himself to you, for you are a true Knicks fan and student of the game who is not easily impressed. Just say over and over you rather have a 2004 Pistons lunchpail type of team. That's this guy's plan.

tkf wrote:Yea, I remember years ago, people were downplaying the pick which we owed the suns(now property of the jazz) in the marbury deal.. Most felt we would be a good team by now and the unprotected pick would be a non-lottery pick.... well fast forward 6 years and now the bills come due... payment in full, that will be one john wall and no cents....than you....

Markji wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's what the reality is, we need to have room to get two of the MaxFA's in order to get one. Once you accept that reality, then you understand that you need to cut more cap. There are only a couple of ways left to do that. Probably the least ugly way to do that is to include Hill in a deal to get rid of one of our remaining veteran deals. Dropping Wilson would be the worst because that would cripple us even further down the road.

Don't you think we can trade Hill + Jeffries for 1 or 2 expiring contracts on a team that is already over the cap??? Without adding any first round picks. Teams would jump on that. Jeffries isn't such a bad player, he is a good teammate, not a headcase, and has only 1 yr left. Hill is a #8 draft pick who was considered the best (or 2nd) big man in last years draft.

forget that... for Jordan Hill, a 2012 1st + swap rights in 2011, we should be getting a star player in his prime that we can build around, not an injury riddled past his prime veteran with an expiring contract & cap relief... don't sell me on some hope that Lebron & Wade will sign here this summer & use that as some asset in this deal when no one even knows what either of those guys are going to do this offseason... that has nothing to do with the Houston Rockets... the trade is absolutely lopsided in the Rockets' favor.

TMS wrote:

Markji wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's what the reality is, we need to have room to get two of the MaxFA's in order to get one. Once you accept that reality, then you understand that you need to cut more cap. There are only a couple of ways left to do that. Probably the least ugly way to do that is to include Hill in a deal to get rid of one of our remaining veteran deals. Dropping Wilson would be the worst because that would cripple us even further down the road.

Don't you think we can trade Hill + Jeffries for 1 or 2 expiring contracts on a team that is already over the cap??? Without adding any first round picks. Teams would jump on that. Jeffries isn't such a bad player, he is a good teammate, not a headcase, and has only 1 yr left. Hill is a #8 draft pick who was considered the best (or 2nd) big man in last years draft.

forget that... for Jordan Hill, a 2012 1st + swap rights in 2011, we should be getting a star player in his prime that we can build around, not an injury riddled past his prime veteran with an expiring contract & cap relief... don't sell me on some hope that Lebron & Wade will sign here this summer & use that as some asset in this deal when no one even knows what either of those guys are going to do this offseason... that has nothing to do with the Houston Rockets... the trade is absolutely lopsided in the Rockets' favor.

yea.....this trade idea is as lopsided as they come.. this just stinks of desperation, and is so shortsighted.... I can't back this type of trade. I am sorry, I just can't!!!!!!!!!!

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's one thing about that story being leaked. It may be that the Knicks leaked that in order to get other teams to offer them something better for Jeffries and Hill.

that doesn't even begin to make sense... that only devalues Fishlips & Hill that much more to other teams eyes... who the hell would think about trading away lottery picks to get Tracy McGrady right now just to gain $10 mil in cap space other than the Knicks?