tkf wrote:
Well let me explain these rules:
Teams that are bad and have holes like the knicks can't afford to pick based on need oohah.. you pick the BPA.. the knicks felt that hill was BPA, many draft boards had him top 6... So the knicks didn't reach, they didn't take a scrub, or a 24 year old rookie like taj gibson who had limited upside. they took a 21 year old kid who improved like crazy over 2 years with a ton of upside and great athletic ability....

You keep saying pick need. Ok then say the knicks blew it by not taking a PG period, but saying they blew it by not taking jennings after he has a good first 8 games is ridiculous.... The knicks need a lot of things.. At which point you take BPA.. in the mind of the knicks. Hill was that... to call it a mistake after 8 games is ridiculous and borderline idiotic oohah!

You may not have picked hill at 8, and that is fine, but you don't get paid to make those decisions, so does it really matter what you think to NBA GM's? honestly? you have nothing on the line, but to root for a team, you don't have money, your reputation, or your career... GM's do, and that is why some of them passed on Jennings... End of story bro.. move on..

Teams that are bad and have holes like the Knicks should try to fill the holes. The one place we did not have a hole is PF!! (Or arguably SF) What is so hard to admit about that?

You can keep saying "it's early". As far as I can see that is the only possible defense of taking an unskilled PF when you are 4 deep at that position including superstar Gallinari. Uncertainty is the only possible defense.

So you're right. It's too early. And that is why I left the door open if you read my posts. If Hill becomes Amare Stoudemire or something like that I am fine with the pick. Otherwise it is totally flubbed.

I believe I have read you, Nixluva, and maybe TMS post about how "Maybe Jennings is an Iverson type". I am very interested in how you three feel about the Knicks possibly signing Iverson. Somehow I think consistency of opinion will be lost by at least 2 of you.

By the way, as I write this Jennings has led a furious comeback VS. the Mavericks, and is coming close to posting a triple-double Vs. Jason Kidd.

But it's too early top form an opinion.

oohah

tkf wrote:

McK1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

McK1 wrote:

tkf wrote:so for everyone that felt we didn't need a big and that we should have taken jennings.. Please answer this..

had we lucked out into the first pick in the draft, most of you are saying we should have picked jennings over Griffen.. right?

Just want to be sure here...

since knix and varying options are never really a synonymous thought how about I introduce one:

trade down with OKC for the 3 and 25 and take Jennings third.

No one was talking that mess... It was pretty much unanimous with knick fans... win the lottery and take stud blake griffin.. NO talk of ever taking jennings #1 and you know it..

Hindsight is the ish tho... I will say that much..

what are you talking about? having the 1 wasn't discussed much on here.

so no one here was wishing we won the lottery to take blake griffin? LOL

so no one here watched the lottery hoping we got the top pick.. right?

noone here expected to get the pick.

oohah wrote:

tkf wrote:
Well let me explain these rules:
Teams that are bad and have holes like the knicks can't afford to pick based on need oohah.. you pick the BPA.. the knicks felt that hill was BPA, many draft boards had him top 6... So the knicks didn't reach, they didn't take a scrub, or a 24 year old rookie like taj gibson who had limited upside. they took a 21 year old kid who improved like crazy over 2 years with a ton of upside and great athletic ability....

You keep saying pick need. Ok then say the knicks blew it by not taking a PG period, but saying they blew it by not taking jennings after he has a good first 8 games is ridiculous.... The knicks need a lot of things.. At which point you take BPA.. in the mind of the knicks. Hill was that... to call it a mistake after 8 games is ridiculous and borderline idiotic oohah!

You may not have picked hill at 8, and that is fine, but you don't get paid to make those decisions, so does it really matter what you think to NBA GM's? honestly? you have nothing on the line, but to root for a team, you don't have money, your reputation, or your career... GM's do, and that is why some of them passed on Jennings... End of story bro.. move on..

Teams that are bad and have holes like the Knicks should try to fill the holes. The one place we did not have a hole is PF!! (Or arguably SF) What is so hard to admit about that?

You can keep saying "it's early". As far as I can see that is the only possible defense of taking an unskilled PF when you are 4 deep at that position including superstar Gallinari. Uncertainty is the only possible defense.

So you're right. It's too early. And that is why I left the door open if you read my posts. If Hill becomes Amare Stoudemire or something like that I am fine with the pick. Otherwise it is totally flubbed.

I believe I have read you, Nixluva, and maybe TMS post about how "Maybe Jennings is an Iverson type". I am very interested in how you three feel about the Knicks possibly signing Iverson. Somehow I think consistency of opinion will be lost by at least 2 of you.

By the way, as I write this Jennings has led a furious comeback VS. the Mavericks, and is coming close to posting a triple-double Vs. Jason Kidd.

But it's too early top form an opinion.

oohah

you keep saying "unskilled" Hill is not unskilled, but I really don't have the desire to open up another argument, if you feel that way, then fine. I will take the word of walsh over yours.. Is that Ok?

If Hill becomes Amare Stoudemire or something like that I am fine with the pick. Otherwise it is totally flubbed.

and had we taken jennings and he didn't become chris paul then you can say the same thing.. right? so what is the point? wait and see what hill does instead of jumping off the cliff with walsh blew it signs attached to your back.....

jennings was mcdonalds game MVP and highly touted since like 8th grade. walsh needed to his due diligence and it sounds like he just wrote the kid off b/c of some vague similarities to marbury. the knicks had inarguably the worst team in the league last year (and this year too LOL), you can't draft need! they need EVERYTHING! jennings had/still has star potential. hill looks like a deadbeat. no passion. no real game to speak of. i went to the knicks/cavs game this year and watched the guy. during timeouts he's watching the jumobtron! don't tell me jordan hill will amount to something, i will wager my posting ability on ultimateknicks on his never making an all star team. copy and paste it baby. hill is a bust! i said it 3 games into the season, i'll say it after 8!

its just disheartening, i honestly can't take it anymore. this pick is the dagger of the decade. all the missed opportunities and nonsense of layden and isiah, its nothing compared to this. jennings is going to be a first team all-nba guy, he's got the talent, the work ethic, watch the clip of that 50 point game he may be the quickest guy in the league. hill will never be a superlative. i honestly would bet my life that jordan hill doesn't score 50 points in an NBA game. i'd be shocked if he has 55 points TOTAL by the all-star break! i understand trying to stay optimistic but there is no reason in this case. buy a ticket in the 400s for $10 and go to a knicks game and watch the guy with your own eyes. he's not out there early practicing, he's not paying attention, he doesn't give a damn.

oohah

oohah wrote:

tkf wrote:

your comparison were ridiculous and were as acurate as a blind sniper... you keep talking about truth, yet you say: I left the door open... you can't have it both ways bro.. are you comming or going? do you really know? what truth? All I know is that walsh felt he took BPA.. Time will tell...

I'm not trying to have it both ways. I state unequvically that I think Walsh screwed up the pick. You are the one with the wishy-washy "wait and see" argument.

If Hill becomes Amare Stoudemire then I am wrong. Guess what? I am not wrong.

oohah

why does he have to become amare stoudamire? that is just silly. He can't be a good player without being amare?

If Hill becomes Amare Stoudemire then I am wrong. Guess what? I am not wrong.

no, more like.. ridiculous....

BigSm00th wrote:LOL oohah i hear you man. people who say jordan hill is the next amare, could you send me a private message with your weed guy's #. you guys must be smoking some real potent stuff. hill is a space cadet. he's not even that athletic. watch a amare stoudemire HS tape and look at the guy, he was an absolute freak. and went straight to the league. hill was hardly recruited. its comedy. the only similarity is they played for d'antoni. and they're tall. that's it.

LOL....yea, hill was hardly recruited and ended up at Arizona.. Not troy state, or middle tenn. but Arizona... the only comedy here is this ridiculous post you just made... ooha was doing bad enough on his own.. he didn't need your help bro... LOL

But I will play along.. lets say he wasn't highly recruited... I think he mentioned that, but how is that relevant? please tell me? It is like saying tony parker is a bum because he was not drafted in the top 15...

tkf wrote:

no, more like.. ridiculous....

I remember during LB you once responded to one of my posts about how LB was doing terrible that "LB was a hall of famer, who the hell are you?" etc.

Then a month later you were climbing all over LB's ass. I showed you the aforementioned post and you were all hemming and hawing.

I expect a repeat of that chain of incidents in the not too distant future.

oohah

tkf wrote:
Ok, then sit back, stop whining and lets see where hill ends up.... until then, you are wrong... Unless you are telling me for sure, he won't be come really gooddamn good... and if you can tell me that, I would also like the powerball numbers as well....

See, in America we are allowed to state our predictions. Comparing my prediction that Hill won't be really Goddamn good and that Jennings was the perfect pick simply based on our need for a PG to Powerball is one of your more amusing reaches yet!

I have to thank you for easing the pain in my gut of knowing that Jennings put on a another superstar perfomrance this evening nearly willing the short-handed fukcing Bucks past the Mavericks.

oohah