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5/19/2009  9:54 PM
Posted by VDesai:


He could be. He has a lot of offensive ability, production and most importantly efficient production.

This past season Curry shot 45% from the field and 39% from the college 3. And that wasn't even in the toughed conferences in the country. I don't see those numbers as likely to go up as he will be facing bigger, stronger, and faster players in the NBA.

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5/19/2009  9:55 PM
I don't like it there is something massively wrong with this lottery.
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5/19/2009  10:02 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by VDesai:


He could be. He has a lot of offensive ability, production and most importantly efficient production.

This past season Curry shot 45% from the field and 39% from the college 3. And that wasn't even in the toughed conferences in the country. I don't see those numbers as likely to go up as he will be facing bigger, stronger, and faster players in the NBA.

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Dude, that was good for 55% eFG%. For the nation's leading scorer that is very, very impressive. It puts him in the top 50 in the country in terms of qualifying players and there are a lot of qualifying players in the country. Too add further context- thats a slightly better number David Lee put up in the NBA this year. When you consider that he was depended upon as his teams only scorer, the fact that he was able to put up such a number when he was in a situation where he had to force shots....well thats really damn impressive.

And in the year before he shot a 61% eFG. That's top 10 in the country- Shaq territory shooting number.
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5/19/2009  10:09 PM
This past season Curry shot 45% from the field and 39% from the college 3. And that wasn't even in the toughed conferences in the country. I don't see those numbers as likely to go up as he will be facing bigger, stronger, and faster players in the NBA.

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A couple things, first of all are those numbers supposed to be bad? Also those numbers we're with Curry being in full on gunner mode (which is what makes them spectacular), Curry had to play like that for Davidson to have a chance he doesn't have to do that in the NBA. He's a smart kid he's gonna be much more efficient in the league. As for the weak conference thing I think Curry would have been better if he played for a big program because people wouldn't have been able to double him as much if he had competent teammates (this will be the case in the NBA). Plus, he went off on some of the best teams in the country in last years tournament while being double teamed the entire game. Guarding Curry 1on1 was not an option in college if you wanted to beat Davidson, that has to translate to something in the NBA,



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5/19/2009  10:20 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Right. So they would fix it so one of the league's most pathetic and irrelevant franchises wins the lottery instead of a more well-known one and that a team with literally no fans and thinking of relocating wins #2. If they were gonna do a "fix" for the small market teams, they would have given OKC #1. The #3 pick is pointless in this draft.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 05-19-2009 9:52 PM]

Stern has jokingly said in the past that it would be best for the Knicks not to win the lottery anymore, so he can't be accussed of anything. There is some truth to that.

This is the process as per wikipedia. One of my senior managers from the NY office took part a couple of years ago and said he didn't even understand the process.

To determine the winner, fourteen ping pong balls numbered 1–14 are placed in a standard lottery machine and four balls are randomly selected from the lot. Just as in most traditional lotteries, the order in which the numbers are drawn is not important. That is, 1-2-3-4 is considered to be the same as 4-3-2-1. So although there is a total of 24 orders in which the balls numbered 1-2-3-4 can be picked, they are all treated as the same outcome. In doing this, the permutation of 4 balls from 14 becomes the combination of 4 balls from 14. That is, the total of 24,024 (14! / 10!, or 14x13x12x11) possible permutations is reduced by a factor of 24, to 1,001 combinations. Of these, 1 outcome is disregarded and 1,000 outcomes are distributed among the 14 non-playoff NBA teams. The combination 11-12-13-14 (in any order that those numbers are drawn) is not assigned and it is ignored if drawn; this has never occurred in practice.

The drawing of the ping-pong balls is conducted in private, though observed by independent auditors and representatives from each team. The results are subsequently presented in a short ceremony (typically broadcast prior to or during halftime of an NBA playoff game), in which the order of the lottery is announced in reverse order, from the fourteenth selection to the first. Representatives from each NBA franchise with a lottery pick are present at the lottery ceremony.

The decision of not showing the ping-pong balls live has fueled speculation that the NBA will occasionally fix the Draft Lottery if it can benefit the league.[citation needed] The root of this speculation is the 1985 Draft Lottery that sent Patrick Ewing to New York. The theory being that the NBA wanted to send the best player in the draft to New York to increase ratings in a large television market. At that time the NBA used 7 envelopes in a tumbler representing the seven teams with the worst record. When the envelopes were added to the tumbler, one envelope was put in forcibly, and banged against the edge, while all the rest were set in gently.[1] The first envelope drawn was the 1st pick, and it went onwards up to the 7th pick. David Stern went right for the envelope with the bent corner, which upon opening the envelope, it was revealed that the New York Knicks logo was inside, fueling speculation of a draft fix ever since. Afterward the Draft Lottery Format was changed to the current ping-pong ball lottery in a private room with team representatives.



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5/19/2009  10:24 PM
The ping pong process was also observed by 4 members of the press.
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5/19/2009  10:33 PM
they could fill certain balls with white out- happened for real with the pennsylvania lottery I think - back in the 80's.
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5/19/2009  10:33 PM
The decision of not showing the ping-pong balls live has fueled speculation that the NBA will occasionally fix the Draft Lottery if it can benefit the league.

The reason for this was explained in past years. It doesn't make for good television. Its better to count the teams down from worst pick to best pick. Also, the same combination of balls occasionally pops up or belongs to a team that already has been awarded a pick. No one wants to televise it in that way.

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5/19/2009  10:34 PM
Posted by Andrew:

The ping pong process was also observed by 4 members of the press.


It should be viewed by NBA fans. Throw all the ping pong balls into the hopper and let the ping pong ball show who won. I find this lottery process to be a disgrace. If the mega million lottery can be done in front of views why the hell can't the NBA lottery. What do they have to hide.
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5/19/2009  10:36 PM
Posted by Andrew:

The decision of not showing the ping-pong balls live has fueled speculation that the NBA will occasionally fix the Draft Lottery if it can benefit the league.

The reason for this was explained in past years. It doesn't make for good television. Its better to count the teams down from worst pick to best pick. Also, the same combination of balls occasionally pops up or belongs to a team that already has been awarded a pick. No one wants to televise it in that way.

You can always discard the ping pong balls once the team has been chosen.

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5/19/2009  10:37 PM
Posted by Andrew:

The decision of not showing the ping-pong balls live has fueled speculation that the NBA will occasionally fix the Draft Lottery if it can benefit the league.

The reason for this was explained in past years. It doesn't make for good television. Its better to count the teams down from worst pick to best pick. Also, the same combination of balls occasionally pops up or belongs to a team that already has been awarded a pick. No one wants to televise it in that way.

...add to this the average fan would not understand the process used. Its not like a single ball pops up with the team logo.
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5/19/2009  10:39 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by Andrew:

The decision of not showing the ping-pong balls live has fueled speculation that the NBA will occasionally fix the Draft Lottery if it can benefit the league.

The reason for this was explained in past years. It doesn't make for good television. Its better to count the teams down from worst pick to best pick. Also, the same combination of balls occasionally pops up or belongs to a team that already has been awarded a pick. No one wants to televise it in that way.

...add to this the average fan would not understand the process used. Its not like a single ball pops up with the team logo.

What would be wrong with a ping pong with a team logo. It make more sense.

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5/19/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You can always discard the ping pong balls once the team has been chosen.

No you can't. This is exactly why it isn't televised. People don't understand it even when it is explained to them. There are 14 balls. 4 are choosed at a time to create a set. The team that has been assigned that set of numbers wins the pick. For the next pick all 14 balls are used to generate a new set.
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5/19/2009  10:42 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by Andrew:

The decision of not showing the ping-pong balls live has fueled speculation that the NBA will occasionally fix the Draft Lottery if it can benefit the league.

The reason for this was explained in past years. It doesn't make for good television. Its better to count the teams down from worst pick to best pick. Also, the same combination of balls occasionally pops up or belongs to a team that already has been awarded a pick. No one wants to televise it in that way.

...add to this the average fan would not understand the process used. Its not like a single ball pops up with the team logo.

That's what I talking about. The machine they televise is a prop. Why do that in the first place. I disagree about people not wanting to view it as well. The same the same thing about the MLB draft and now that is televised because of fan demand. To each their own.
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5/19/2009  10:43 PM
Why do you say its a prop?
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5/19/2009  10:43 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by Vmart:

You can always discard the ping pong balls once the team has been chosen.

No you can't. This is exactly why it isn't televised. People don't understand it even when it is explained to them. There are 14 balls. 4 are choosed at a time to create a set. The team that has been assigned that set of numbers wins the pick. For the next pick all 14 balls are used to generate a new set.

Like people understand what you just said. Keep it simple Once a ping pong with a team log is jettisoned out of the hopper remove it people understand that better than picking from a set of four.

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5/19/2009  10:46 PM
VMart you do realize that its not 14 balls - 1 for each team right? To get the different percentages you would need 1000 total ping pong balls. Lets pause for commecial break for an hour while someone sifts through all 1000 balls and removes the ones from the team that just got picked.
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5/19/2009  10:53 PM
Posted by Andrew:

VMart you do realize that its not 14 balls - 1 for each team right? To get the different percentages you would need 1000 total ping pong balls. Lets pause for commecial break for an hour while someone sifts through all 1000 balls and removes the ones from the team that just got picked.

That is fine put thousand ping pongs if you have to. All you have to do instead since there are 14 teams is allot one ball to the 14th team best record and 14 balls to the worst team. atleast the Knicks would have had 8 ping pongs. Now televise it.

All I know is if they are not doing it in public then they are running a scam.

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5/19/2009  10:55 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Why do you say its a prop?

The machine that ESPN uses to illustrate the lottery process is a prop. Under attestation rules they wouldn't be allowed to get near it then having auditors there would be meaningless. They have back up machines which are shown. Bob Costas used to do a good job pointing that out.
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5/19/2009  10:57 PM
It was mentioned on air that it was the machine that was used. The balls in the demo were not used. The real balls were kept by the auditors.
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