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5/15/2009  6:16 PM
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I want the KNciks to get the #2 pick. That way we don't have to draft Lopez and we can pick up Thabeet who is the best player in the draft as far as I concerned. He may not be the best player next year, but eventually he will be a truly dominant defensive player.

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No - you want us to get the third pick so Rubio & Lopez are both gone & Thabeet is the no brainer consensus pick.

I dont think the Knicks would take Thabeet with the 18 pick let alone 3. But there is also a a reason why we have lost for a decade.
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Postby BRIGGS on Fri May 15, 2009 12:37 pm
Draft is easy

Pick 1 take Griffin

Pick 2 or 3 take Thabeet and get a 2010 unrestricted if it's 2 for a team to take rubio.

Pick 8 Take either Mullens Derozan or Evans or trade down slightly into the first round to see if we can get Mullens and a pick in 2010.

There will be plenty of teams who want out of this draft and plenty of opportunity for guys like Curry Holliday Calathes to fall back into the draft where we can buy a pick.
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5/15/2009  6:21 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Projection team with curry


C Lee
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Hughes
PG Curry


How many teams will score 110 points+

Or how about this team

C-Thabeet
F Lee
F Harrington
G Chandler
PG Duhon--possibly Nash

Thabeet does more to fix this team than Rubio in the near term.

I agree also that a Lebron would probably rather us have a Thabeet than a Rubio.

Only Isiah Thomas would draft based upon immediate need--with this team.

I disagree that LeBron would rather play with Thabeet than Rubio. Maybe that becomes the case, maybe not. What LeBron probably wants (I say probably because who knows what he wants) is to play with another star. Maybe Rubio doesn't play out as advertised, but based upon what I saw in the Olympics he has a legit shot of being a lead banana, and a great second fiddle to LeBron.
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5/15/2009  6:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Projection team with curry


C Lee
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Hughes
PG Curry


How many teams will score 110 points+

Or how about this team

C-Thabeet
F Lee
F Harrington
G Chandler
PG Duhon--possibly Nash

and without nash, how many teams will score just 90 points and still beat the crap out of us? Not many ball movers or scorers execet harrington and chandler to some degree....
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5/15/2009  7:08 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Projection team with curry


C Lee
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Hughes
PG Curry


How many teams will score 110 points+

Or how about this team

C-Thabeet
F Lee
F Harrington
G Chandler
PG Duhon--possibly Nash

and without nash, how many teams will score just 90 points and still beat the crap out of us? Not many ball movers or scorers execet harrington and chandler to some degree....

There are a lot of holes on this team--the whole team need reconfiguring. Tohaev a chance to make the playoffs next year and give a little push--we could use Thabeet. I want pick 1 or 3 but the thing is I think the moronic Knicks would take Rubio over griffin at 1. If I get 1 I would dangle Lee for pick 3 or 4 to get Thabeet or lower to get Mullens.
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5/15/2009  7:32 PM
The formula for winning is still about getting 2 to 3 cornerstone pieces and filling in around them. You put Shaq on a team with Wade and for the most part you can win a title with decent role players. You put Pierce, Alan & KG on a team with role players and you get the same thing. Only if you have only one Superstar is it imperative that you have a really serious team of high quality players. Denver has Billups and Melo and with the solid role players they have it's a tough team to beat.

We have some young pieces and this draft to find another quality player, not necessarily a superstar, but a good player that fits. As for getting the star players any real contender needs that's what the cap space is gonna be for.
To me this is very doable.
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5/15/2009  9:18 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Projection team with curry


C Lee
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Hughes
PG Curry


How many teams will score 110 points+

Or how about this team

C-Thabeet
F Lee
F Harrington
G Chandler
PG Duhon--possibly Nash

and without nash, how many teams will score just 90 points and still beat the crap out of us? Not many ball movers or scorers execet harrington and chandler to some degree....

There are a lot of holes on this team--the whole team need reconfiguring. Tohaev a chance to make the playoffs next year and give a little push--we could use Thabeet. I want pick 1 or 3 but the thing is I think the moronic Knicks would take Rubio over griffin at 1. If I get 1 I would dangle Lee for pick 3 or 4 to get Thabeet or lower to get Mullens.


do you think lee gets you a top 4 pick?
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5/15/2009  9:42 PM
Really nothing to say until the 19th--then we have a clear picture of what is what
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5/15/2009  10:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Projection team with curry


C Lee
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Hughes
PG Curry


How many teams will score 110 points+

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5/15/2009  10:36 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Projection team with curry


C Lee
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Hughes
PG Curry


How many teams will score 110 points+

Papabear Says
That team wont even make the playoffs. It's a lottery team.

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5/15/2009  11:17 PM
Adding a player like Curry won't necessarily by itself make this team a playoff team, but it's not really about what happens next year, but in the next 2 to 4yrs. When you have a core that is young and talented, but obviously not finished, you take the good start and build from there. Gallo and Chan are very talented IMO and I think adding a player like Curry would enhance what they do. His constant threat to score or make the pass is what we need. He can bring a bit of that Nash factor. Like Nash he keeps his dribble alive and since he's such a scoring threat, teams will always be distracted by his probing the paint, pick and pop and on the break. I think he's a perfect fit for this team.

We could trade Lee in hopes of getting a young big that defends and resign Wilcox for added depth inside.
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5/16/2009  10:30 AM
This is like the Channing Frye draft again. This is a done deal if we stay at 8--I would even say that its probably done if were at 3. This has been pimped all over and we have the denials and now Curry was to be drafted by the Knicks. Were roughly in the same position in the draft and we have the same type of --how should we say indecision amongst fans on this pick. The one big difference is that there is no player at 8 that is a no brainer lock like Bynum that year. Yet I dont think we are getting top notch value for the pick if we just sit back and take Curry at 8. We are really dismissing our number 1 problem--defense and they just don't get it. I think this is why the Bulls stopped short on Dantoni and why Pheonix wanted him out. He's a good coach but trying to beat teams 116 to 111 doesnt work. He needs to rethink his way of coaching just a bit--he's a good coach but he could stand to sit in on at Pat Riley seminar or two. I think he thinks he knows it all which is not helpful. Any coach given Stoudemire Marion Joe Johnson and Steve Nash in their prime one one team is going to win a lot of games. His style of play enhanced it but were a much different team. We need to put some focus on how to stop some people. We really could use a true athletic 5. I just wonder if we dont get pick 1-2-3 if the smartest move is to take Mullens at 8 and see if we can buy back into the draft and find a falling PG--we must like more than 1. I don't see why they wouldnt believe that Curry himself couldnt dive a bit in the draft --this draft is VOID of bigs --can we trade down 4-5 spots and pick up a future 1? We need to keep our options open
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5/16/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by TMS:

& come on already w/the Curry & Gordon comparisons... take a look at these guys & compare their builds... Curry's gonna have to get on the juice to get to Gordon's level.



Ben Gordon was a superior athlete. He had NBA dunk competition level hops at Uconn along with speed and power. He's also really a pure 2 guard.
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5/16/2009  10:49 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This is like the Channing Frye draft again. This is a done deal if we stay at 8--I would even say that its probably done if were at 3. This has been pimped all over and we have the denials and now Curry was to be drafted by the Knicks. Were roughly in the same position in the draft and we have the same type of --how should we say indecision amongst fans on this pick. The one big difference is that there is no player at 8 that is a no brainer lock like Bynum that year. Yet I dont think we are getting top notch value for the pick if we just sit back and take Curry at 8. We are really dismissing our number 1 problem--defense and they just don't get it. I think this is why the Bulls stopped short on Dantoni and why Pheonix wanted him out. He's a good coach but trying to beat teams 116 to 111 doesnt work. He needs to rethink his way of coaching just a bit--he's a good coach but he could stand to sit in on at Pat Riley seminar or two. I think he thinks he knows it all which is not helpful. Any coach given Stoudemire Marion Joe Johnson and Steve Nash in their prime one one team is going to win a lot of games. His style of play enhanced it but were a much different team. We need to put some focus on how to stop some people. We really could use a true athletic 5. I just wonder if we dont get pick 1-2-3 if the smartest move is to take Mullens at 8 and see if we can buy back into the draft and find a falling PG--we must like more than 1. I don't see why they wouldnt believe that Curry himself couldnt dive a bit in the draft --this draft is VOID of bigs --can we trade down 4-5 spots and pick up a future 1? We need to keep our options open

agreed. it has that channing feeling. it has that gallinari feeling. we just really like drafting nice young men with good jump shots. i wonder if that's dolan's influence - trying to find the next allan houston?
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5/16/2009  11:27 AM
One of my concerns about this pick has been Curry's ability to play the point. I feel a little easier having read this paragraph in draftexpress.
The biggest revelation of this season is the relative ease in which Curry has converted to the point guard position. Still obviously possessing a shoot-first mentality, Curry has looked fairly unselfish running his team’s offense, displaying excellent court vision and a real knack for getting teammates involved (relative to the team’s situation). He does a good job on the pick and roll, and is a much more creative passer than we were previously able to see, capable of handling the ball with either hand and being very adept at playing at different speeds. Although he’s probably never going to be a pure playmaker in the Steve Nash or Chris Paul mold, he plays the game at an excellent pace, looks extremely poised at all times, and appears to show a good enough feel for the game to at least develop into a capable facilitator, ala Mike Bibby or Mo Williams.

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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

This is like the Channing Frye draft again. This is a done deal if we stay at 8--I would even say that its probably done if were at 3. This has been pimped all over and we have the denials and now Curry was to be drafted by the Knicks. Were roughly in the same position in the draft and we have the same type of --how should we say indecision amongst fans on this pick. The one big difference is that there is no player at 8 that is a no brainer lock like Bynum that year. Yet I dont think we are getting top notch value for the pick if we just sit back and take Curry at 8. We are really dismissing our number 1 problem--defense and they just don't get it. I think this is why the Bulls stopped short on Dantoni and why Pheonix wanted him out. He's a good coach but trying to beat teams 116 to 111 doesnt work. He needs to rethink his way of coaching just a bit--he's a good coach but he could stand to sit in on at Pat Riley seminar or two. I think he thinks he knows it all which is not helpful. Any coach given Stoudemire Marion Joe Johnson and Steve Nash in their prime one one team is going to win a lot of games. His style of play enhanced it but were a much different team. We need to put some focus on how to stop some people. We really could use a true athletic 5. I just wonder if we dont get pick 1-2-3 if the smartest move is to take Mullens at 8 and see if we can buy back into the draft and find a falling PG--we must like more than 1. I don't see why they wouldnt believe that Curry himself couldnt dive a bit in the draft --this draft is VOID of bigs --can we trade down 4-5 spots and pick up a future 1? We need to keep our options open

agreed. it has that channing feeling. it has that gallinari feeling. we just really like drafting nice young men with good jump shots. i wonder if that's dolan's influence - trying to find the next allan houston?


so is that why we drafted nate, lee, balkman and wilson chandler? Do you really believe what you just wrote? or was that you being sarcastic?
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Call me crazy and maybe I've been reaching here by asking for too much lately, but I'd be so happy if we did the following, provided we wind up drafting anywhere in the 6-10 range:

(1) Draft Stephen Curry. I originally dismissed him as nothing more than an undersized 2 for the NBA but I started to realize that that wasn't very accurate. He's more than that. This kid might not be 6'6", the strongest or the quickest guard out there but so what? Too many of us (myself included) get fixated on stuff like that when trying to analyze these prospects... Of course those are good attributes to have and it helps when making a decision on who to draft but it's not the end-all. World class physical attributes don't necessarily translate into a winner and we've seen it so many times before - too many players to count (Mark Jackson, Stockton, Nash etc...). What Steph Curry does possess is enough ability to play the point in the NBA and that ability will only get better as he continues to develop. I know he only switched to the point last season but all the budding PG abilities were all there last season on display - unselfishness, plus court vision, passing, quality handle that he maintains and doesn't give up too quickly... Plus, on the offensive end himself, he's the best shooter in this draft and has enough ability to seperate and create to get his own shot pretty much whenever he wants. And it's not like he's some kind of stand-still shooter out there - he can take it to the rim and seems willing to take on the contact that comes with it. Gets to the line, great FT shooter and plays the game with a real high IQ that's very noticeable. There are so many questions with all of these other guard prospects - I really think Curry would be the best possible pick for us and I now believe he'll make a real nice pro PG. Stength questions will take care of themselves too - he'll do what he has to do to get a little stronger along the way w/o compromising the rest of his game... We're gonna need to come up with a quality lead guard for the future to run this team. Let's face facts - Duhon's a nice backup PG in the NBA and has done a nice job for us but I'm not interested in retaining his services for the money he'll be looking for and I'm not interested in using the entire mid-level for a temporary solution like Steve Nash. Curry's our guy fellas - present and for the future. We better pray he's still there at 8.

(2) Get 1 more perimeter shooter in place - there will be plenty of smart options available w/o going too crazy - Get Morris Almond on board this summer and give him a chance to win a spot. If the price is right get a second rounder and draft a guy like Meeks, Christmas or Taylor. Be prepared to pounce and take a flier on an undrafted shooter like AD Vassallo, KC Rivers and/or Jack McClinton. Hell, go out and grab two of these shooters and then trade Nate for something useful (maybe an expiring and a 2010 1st rounder).

(3) Find a team out there that's willing to part with a late 1st/early 2nd round pick and grab Taj Gibson - He'd make a fine frontcourt rotation player that would address roster depth, a little scoring around the basket, rebounding and interior defense. He plays tough & smart and has a lot of intagibles. You need guys like this. His shot-blocking skills are for real - 2nd best shot-blocker in the draft behind Thabeet now that Jarvis Varnado and Larry Sanders are going back to school. Gibson's a better all-around talent than Varnado and Sanders anyway...

(4) They need to find a way to deal themselves back into next year's draft. Use a Lee or Nate S&T to get back in next year's 1st round. The player I like right now is Andrew Ogilvy from Vandy. 6'11" 250+ Aussie center with a lot of skills for a big man and he's only gonna get better. By comparison, I think he's a better all-around center prospect than Cole Aldrich, both around the same size. It'll be interesting to see how both Aldrich and Ogilvy continue to develop. Ogilvy reminds me of Kosta Koufos in a lot of ways. He could be our answer at center.

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-16-2009 4:25 PM]
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Finest.. excellent post bro, couldn't agree with you more.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

Ben Gordon was a superior athlete. He had NBA dunk competition level hops at Uconn along with speed and power. He's also really a pure 2 guard.

Showing the small picture of Curry, undated and in College, and Gordon, as a Bull, is like one of those cheesy before and after ads you see in the papers and online- they are very deceptive. I have no doubt that Gordon is, and was stronger than Curry, but these pictures prove nothing, and you know it.

My understanding is that Gordon did not have the same superstud upperbody at UConn- is that true??


This is a PG dominated draft, and you can find major flaws in every possible pick, including fan favorites such a Griffin, Rubio, and Thabeet.

Unless it turns out that the Knicks were totally in love with Curry, and for some reason consider him to be the only PG in the draft for them, they will be choosing a PG in the draft this year, even if Curry is picked before they draft.

I think that MDA has come to see Duhon as a serviceable backup PG, but nothing more. He is sporadic on offense, porous on D, and had those moments of PG ineptitude (turnovers) which must have driven MDA crazy as he looked on. As for Nate, everyone must realize how MDA looks at him as a player- he can't stand him as a PG, and probably as a player.

We have no pick next year and there are not PGs in, or near, their prime who MDA might want coming out in the next year or two, are there?

We probably want Rubio or Curry, and to be honest, the Knicks might even see Curry as a superior all-around player to Rubio at this point.

I am sure that they Knicks will take serious looks at Holiday, Lawson, and Flynn, as well as Jennings. I would pay the price of admission to see those 4 along with Curry and Evans, playing against each other.

They guy who might sneak into our plan, if he shows an improved jumper, is Holiday. Only 18, with good size, PG court sense, the ability to use either hand, and defensive ability, I have to think that this guy can move up big time if he impresses with his shot.

Yeah, we need someone to play C, but this draft is mana from heaven for a former PG turned head coach. MDA will make this pick- have no doubt about it, if we choose a PG, and he will have to live or die with his decision.

My own prediction- we pick up Carlos Cabezas from Spain, and draft Curry. We get something for Nate, and let Curry be a backup PG and SG. In 2010, we let Duhon go, or demote him to 3rd string PG, and split the PG time between Cabezas and Curry.



This is a PG draft and we have a team coached by a former PG which needs a PG.

Enough said.
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5/16/2009  4:57 PM
Curry can be compared to Chris Jackson A.K.A. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf except not as good.

Chris Jackson averaged 30.2 points per game as a freshman and 27.8 as a sophomore in the SEC a much tougher league than Curry played in.

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