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Ricky Rubio is declaring - I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be the pick.
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PresIke
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4/11/2009  1:29 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

So nobody buys the Sergio Rodriguez comparison huh? Looks like this kid Rubio's got a little more height, but other than that they have very similar games if you ask me - gifted passer but other than that, question marks across the board. Sergio's done nothing to distinguish himself in the NBA so far and he's had chances this year...

[Edited by - finestrg on 04-10-2009 10:59 PM]

not even close. wow. sergio rodriguez?

he's a decent passer, but NO WHERE near the level of rubio. it's not even close. i guess all spainards have to be compared to one another.

rubio is also taller, and far more athletic than rodriguez.

rubio is a much more dynamic player.

i want to say i'm not suggesting he's the second coming or anything, but rubio has a very nice game, and rodriguez is just not as good, or has as much potential.

i guess all of the nba scouts that have rubio at #2 must be fools.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-11-2009 01:30 AM]

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4/11/2009  2:24 AM
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If we're lucky enough to get the pick that gets us Rubio, he immediately becomes the best passing guard the Knicks have ever had (yes, I've seen Clyde). He also becomes one of the top ten passing guards in the history of the league - I'm including Kidd, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Cousy and Robertson. In addition to that, he's a pretty good defender and has an improving outside shot. And the kid is 19.

Why not just call him a Hall of Famer right now. Don't stop. If you are going to make a fool out of yourself then go for the gusto. I mean does he really have to play a game. He's better than Magic, Kidd, Stockton, West, Cousy and Clyde combined. His defense is 2nd to none. Jordan only wished that he had this kid's potential. Tell Jerry his days on the face of everything is over. Just put Rubio's image on all things NBA and be done with it.

Right now, he's a world class passer. It's obvious. Also, read what I wrote and don't put words in my mouth.
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We need a big man center who can shoot and defend and make an imediate impact. Why do we need a point guard who can pass real well but have nothing but second teir players to pass to?

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4/11/2009  2:38 AM
Who gives a **** anyway? We have no shot at these guys.
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4/11/2009  2:40 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Who gives a **** anyway? We have no shot at these guys.

Word. Show me the ping pong ball with a 2 on it, then I'll worry about it.
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4/11/2009  5:23 AM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by Ira:
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If we're lucky enough to get the pick that gets us Rubio, he immediately becomes the best passing guard the Knicks have ever had (yes, I've seen Clyde). He also becomes one of the top ten passing guards in the history of the league - I'm including Kidd, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Cousy and Robertson. In addition to that, he's a pretty good defender and has an improving outside shot. And the kid is 19.

Why not just call him a Hall of Famer right now. Don't stop. If you are going to make a fool out of yourself then go for the gusto. I mean does he really have to play a game. He's better than Magic, Kidd, Stockton, West, Cousy and Clyde combined. His defense is 2nd to none. Jordan only wished that he had this kid's potential. Tell Jerry his days on the face of everything is over. Just put Rubio's image on all things NBA and be done with it.

Right now, he's a world class passer. It's obvious. Also, read what I wrote and don't put words in my mouth.
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We need a big man center who can shoot and defend and make an imediate impact. Why do we need a point guard who can pass real well but have nothing but second teir players to pass to?

Good point. But with a young team that doesn't have any stars, it's usually best to go bpa rather than fill an immediate need.
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4/11/2009  2:03 PM
Posted by Ira:

If we're lucky enough to get the pick that gets us Rubio, he immediately becomes the best passing guard the Knicks have ever had (yes, I've seen Clyde). He also becomes one of the top ten passing guards in the history of the league - I'm including Kidd, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Cousy and Robertson. In addition to that, he's a pretty good defender and has an improving outside shot. And the kid is 19.

Magic was winning NBA championships in a leading role at age 20...Stockton is an all time great only being repelled by the likes of Magic and Jordan...Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for a season...How does this kid even get in such a conversation...It's really not fair to him...
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4/11/2009  2:38 PM
Lets see where the Knicks end up before projecting who will we have a chance to get. If we get another meaningless win like last nigh'ts, we will be in a tough spot (as always). Even if we stay at 8th, we have a shot at the top three but that would be an amazing break and the Knicks franchise hasn't had one in many many years.

If we get #1 there is no doubt Griffin goes there. My personal favorite is getting pick #2 and drafting Rubio because the guy will be a star in this league in a short time. Anyway, if Rubio is in the draft is only good news because it makes more talent available to our final position.

I just hope we move up on Toronto again, because it would really make a bad year worse if we win another meaningless game.


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4/11/2009  3:42 PM
If the Knicks think that Ricky Rubio is that good and if the right team falls into spots 1 and 2--clubs that DO not want Ricky Rubio---if the Knicks TRULY love the guy--at 19 think he is a franchise type PG for 15 years--then they should be willing to take on contracts and give up if necessary--give up FA in 2010

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4/11/2009  4:03 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If the Knicks think that Ricky Rubio is that good and if the right team falls into spots 1 and 2--clubs that DO not want Ricky Rubio---if the Knicks TRULY love the guy--at 19 think he is a franchise type PG for 15 years--then they should be willing to take on contracts and give up if necessary--give up FA in 2010

what if they feel they can get rubio and not completely hamstring the 2010 plans? or maybe since rubio and gallinari are so young they target 2011 free agents instead? i don't know. we'll see what happens.
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4/11/2009  6:46 PM
There is so much exaggerating going on here. Let's just hope that we can get a player with good size for his position that can play smart and defend and has some upside. There are plenty of guys in the top ten like that.

Let's try to stay away from predicting that guys will be hall of famers already. The Mets fans are all over David Murphy in the same way. Can we see these guys play a few games? All you can do is look at these players' skill sets and try to project how they will fit.
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4/11/2009  8:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well this conversation is done

Maybe Derozan will fall to us

w/the win last night i think that conversation's pretty much moot as well... looks like we'll be choosing from guys like Jeff Teague, Willie Warren, Cole Aldrich, Craig Brackens, etc.
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4/11/2009  8:11 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

Our front courts is the biggest issue and you guys don't want to listen. Front court players don't come around often like good point guards come around. That is our most important need then point guard is second in line. There about 4 front court players in this draft and there is about 12 point guards in this draft. So we have to take front court players first then a point guard.

We are going guard IMO.

However I feel our entire starting five needs replacement. So I think the Knicks are in the best player available department when it comes to the draft. As to all this love for Rubio....well I don't know I haven't seen enough of him to say anything but I do know we pooped the bed with Gallo and now we CANT miss with this pick so do you REALLY risk another euro if you have a top pick?

I think if we get a top pick we go Blake Griffin and ship out anyone in his way.

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4/11/2009  8:13 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

There is so much exaggerating going on here. Let's just hope that we can get a player with good size for his position that can play smart and defend and has some upside. There are plenty of guys in the top ten like that.

Let's try to stay away from predicting that guys will be hall of famers already. The Mets fans are all over David Murphy in the same way. Can we see these guys play a few games? All you can do is look at these players' skill sets and try to project how they will fit.

Agreed. And I wish some of my fellow fans would take this same approach when evaluating our own talent in Lee, Nate, Chandler, Gallo...
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4/12/2009  3:28 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

There is so much exaggerating going on here. Let's just hope that we can get a player with good size for his position that can play smart and defend and has some upside. There are plenty of guys in the top ten like that.

Let's try to stay away from predicting that guys will be hall of famers already. The Mets fans are all over David Murphy in the same way. Can we see these guys play a few games? All you can do is look at these players' skill sets and try to project how they will fit.

i didn't see too many predictions he'd be a hall of famer - most people are saying that he has the skill set of a great passer and he plays hard and is talented. i don't know what kind of player he projects to, but based on his skill set i think D'Antoni is going to covet him, especially with the growing realization that he doesn't want duhon to be the starter next year. i think the knicks will pull some strings to get him, but i do think they will get him. where that takes us? we. shall. see.
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4/12/2009  5:21 PM
crzy -

that's why i wrote i'd still take griffen #1, because i figured someone would somehow equate justifying rubio as the #2 pick (which is by no means an exaggeration based on projections) versus claims that he might not even be able to good enough to start at a top 10 college program (literally, what has been stated in this thread) as some kind of argument that he's a can't miss hall-of-famer.

the point was more that he is more talented than some are rating him, and that he would be a nice fit for a team with duhon as the starting pg for maybe one more year, and d'antoni's approach.

and yes, many are right that we will likely not even be able to get him anyway.

however, that doesn't make it worthless to discuss him as some seem to be touting, given the amount of energy spent talking about other prospects in this draft we may or may not have any shot at getting either, not even just referring to griffen (i.e. thabeet and deronzon).

the reason rubio is being discussed so much in this thread versus other players is more about the lack of knowledge some seem to have of his game, which doesn't mean he is the second coming either....just a very nice prospect that i think most of us would be happy to get on this team, if we end up picking higher or make some kind of sensible trade on draft day.

everything is not so black and white, and it's a shame some of us have label others in such terms sometimes.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-12-2009 5:23 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-12-2009 5:25 PM]
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4/13/2009  11:25 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

There is so much exaggerating going on here. Let's just hope that we can get a player with good size for his position that can play smart and defend and has some upside. There are plenty of guys in the top ten like that.

Let's try to stay away from predicting that guys will be hall of famers already. The Mets fans are all over David Murphy in the same way. Can we see these guys play a few games? All you can do is look at these players' skill sets and try to project how they will fit.

Its the Griffin - Malone comparisons that I'm getting at, but its pretty extreme on both sides.
i didn't see too many predictions he'd be a hall of famer - most people are saying that he has the skill set of a great passer and he plays hard and is talented. i don't know what kind of player he projects to, but based on his skill set i think D'Antoni is going to covet him, especially with the growing realization that he doesn't want duhon to be the starter next year. i think the knicks will pull some strings to get him, but i do think they will get him. where that takes us? we. shall. see.

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4/13/2009  3:53 PM
The best option for the knicks is win the lottery and pick 1 to get Blake Griffin but second best option is if the wolves get first pick and the knicks get the number 2 pick. The reason why this is the second best option is because they have so much money invested in al jefferson and kevin love that there needs is a point guard meaning they will have draft a rubio or maybe a jennings. The other reason why they can't draft blake griffin is because they already have allstar power foward in al jefferson and also he doesn't want to play the center postion that why kevin love was drafted to play center because he didn't mind. Also if this situation happens where the wolves get the number 1 pick and select rubio the knicks can not pass on blake griffin if we are in the running of the second pick. If we do have the second pick and pass on blake griffin then donnie walsh deserves to be fired no question ask because they can't pass on a possible superstar.
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4/13/2009  3:55 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

The best option for the knicks is win the lottery and pick 1 to get Blake Griffin but second best option is if the wolves get first pick and the knicks get the number 2 pick. The reason why this is the second best option is because they have so much money invested in al jefferson and kevin love that there needs is a point guard meaning they will have draft a rubio or maybe a jennings. The other reason why they can't draft blake griffin is because they already have allstar power foward in al jefferson and also he doesn't want to play the center postion that why kevin love was drafted to play center because he didn't mind. Also if this situation happens where the wolves get the number 1 pick and select rubio the knicks can not pass on blake griffin if we are in the running of the second pick. If we do have the second pick and pass on blake griffin then donnie walsh deserves to be fired no question ask because they can't pass on a possible superstar.

i take it the third best option then would be if we won the #3 pick in the lottery? just a wild poke in the dark.
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4/13/2009  5:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by lumbardar:

The best option for the knicks is win the lottery and pick 1 to get Blake Griffin but second best option is if the wolves get first pick and the knicks get the number 2 pick. The reason why this is the second best option is because they have so much money invested in al jefferson and kevin love that there needs is a point guard meaning they will have draft a rubio or maybe a jennings. The other reason why they can't draft blake griffin is because they already have allstar power foward in al jefferson and also he doesn't want to play the center postion that why kevin love was drafted to play center because he didn't mind. Also if this situation happens where the wolves get the number 1 pick and select rubio the knicks can not pass on blake griffin if we are in the running of the second pick. If we do have the second pick and pass on blake griffin then donnie walsh deserves to be fired no question ask because they can't pass on a possible superstar.

i take it the third best option then would be if we won the #3 pick in the lottery? just a wild poke in the dark.

Hell, if we have the 2nd pick and Griffin is on the board and desired by another team, I would trade down a slot or two, and take that team's pick for this year and next year if they really want Griffin that much. We need a lot more that a guy who is probably about 6'8"+, and has not outside game beyond 10 feet.

And besides, he'll cut into Lee's rebounds, and we can't have that happen.

I would rather have the #2 pick and get a chance to take Rubio.

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Posted by Paladin55:
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Posted by lumbardar:

The best option for the knicks is win the lottery and pick 1 to get Blake Griffin but second best option is if the wolves get first pick and the knicks get the number 2 pick. The reason why this is the second best option is because they have so much money invested in al jefferson and kevin love that there needs is a point guard meaning they will have draft a rubio or maybe a jennings. The other reason why they can't draft blake griffin is because they already have allstar power foward in al jefferson and also he doesn't want to play the center postion that why kevin love was drafted to play center because he didn't mind. Also if this situation happens where the wolves get the number 1 pick and select rubio the knicks can not pass on blake griffin if we are in the running of the second pick. If we do have the second pick and pass on blake griffin then donnie walsh deserves to be fired no question ask because they can't pass on a possible superstar.

i take it the third best option then would be if we won the #3 pick in the lottery? just a wild poke in the dark.

Hell, if we have the 2nd pick and Griffin is on the board and desired by another team, I would trade down a slot or two, and take that team's pick for this year and next year if they really want Griffin that much. We need a lot more that a guy who is probably about 6'8"+, and has not outside game beyond 10 feet.

And besides, he'll cut into Lee's rebounds, and we can have that happen.

I would rather have the #2 pick and get a chance to take Rubio.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-13-2009 5:55 PM]

or then again we can keep Griffin & trade Lee & let Griffin grab all of Lee's rebounds... but we can't cut into Lee's double double tallies, now can we? that would be sacreligious.
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