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2/22/2009  2:38 PM
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Knicks got hurt on the boards tonight. In the few minutes Wilcox got I thought he was a beast hitting the glass. He got brought down by the fact that he had to play all of his minutes with Hughes out there, who was forcing the game and playing like ****. I think if Wilcox takes over Jeffries minutes we will be a lot more imposing inside.

Wilcox should definitely be starting for Jeffries after a few games.

the one thing I noticed about Wilcox - and Hughes to a degree - was that they were confused on D. The Knicks seem to switch on everything and these 2 guys weren't used to it and it made for some weird spacing or guys being open.
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2/22/2009  2:42 PM
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Marb TO/A career is somewhere around 2.55 where Duhon is 2.75 this year.

over his career there's no question Marbs has been the better player... last year's stats tell a different story tho, that's all i'm saying.

Come on TMS, why are you using last year's stats. We all know about the Marbury situation last year with his father and Isiah.

i honestly would be very impressed if Marbs could put up the same stats right now that Duhon has this year during his 1st year as a starter... i think Marbs' best days are way past him at this point in his career.
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2/22/2009  2:46 PM
Absolute BS, D'Antoni stressed that those that deservre to play will play well there is no way Hughes or for that matter Wilcox deserved to play. They have proven nothing as a knick. They should have been doing their time in practice before they played. I for one was very upset with the rotation it was utter garbage what D'Antoni did. The playoffs are messing their sight as to what the goal of the team is which is to develop Chandler and Gallinari. Playoffs be damned.

Very dissapointing loss, I blame this one on D'Antoni he doesn't need to mess with the rotation not for Hughes, this guy is utter garbage.
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2/22/2009  2:47 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Travla:
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Knicks got hurt on the boards tonight. In the few minutes Wilcox got I thought he was a beast hitting the glass. He got brought down by the fact that he had to play all of his minutes with Hughes out there, who was forcing the game and playing like ****. I think if Wilcox takes over Jeffries minutes we will be a lot more imposing inside.

Wilcox should definitely be starting for Jeffries after a few games.

the one thing I noticed about Wilcox - and Hughes to a degree - was that they were confused on D. The Knicks seem to switch on everything and these 2 guys weren't used to it and it made for some weird spacing or guys being open.

Man, Hughes has quick hands. He also looked good bringing the ball up and has a great handle. I can definitely see his role being backing up Duhon as he learns to orchestrate the Offense. Wilcox looks awesome on the offensive glass. Pretty active defender too. Looking forward to seeing these guys get their legs, build some chemistry and contribute
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2/22/2009  2:53 PM
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Posted by martin:
Posted by Travla:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks got hurt on the boards tonight. In the few minutes Wilcox got I thought he was a beast hitting the glass. He got brought down by the fact that he had to play all of his minutes with Hughes out there, who was forcing the game and playing like ****. I think if Wilcox takes over Jeffries minutes we will be a lot more imposing inside.

Wilcox should definitely be starting for Jeffries after a few games.

the one thing I noticed about Wilcox - and Hughes to a degree - was that they were confused on D. The Knicks seem to switch on everything and these 2 guys weren't used to it and it made for some weird spacing or guys being open.

Man, Hughes has quick hands. He also looked good bringing the ball up and has a great handle. I can definitely see his role being backing up Duhon as he learns to orchestrate the Offense. Wilcox looks awesome on the offensive glass. Pretty active defender too. Looking forward to seeing these guys get their legs, build some chemistry and contribute

What about the rookie Gallo where does he fit into this. I don't think Hughes is much of a player he looked like garbage. If he couldn't help Chicago how the hell is this crappy player going to help NYK. Someone put him on the inactive list please get Jerome back because Hughes is going to mess the rotation up big time and ruin Gallo's chance to be a player in the league. This is a huge mistake what D'Antoni is doing there is no way Hughes is going to help this team he is aweful I don't need to see more of this player.
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2/22/2009  2:55 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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Posted by Travla:
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Knicks got hurt on the boards tonight. In the few minutes Wilcox got I thought he was a beast hitting the glass. He got brought down by the fact that he had to play all of his minutes with Hughes out there, who was forcing the game and playing like ****. I think if Wilcox takes over Jeffries minutes we will be a lot more imposing inside.

Wilcox should definitely be starting for Jeffries after a few games.

the one thing I noticed about Wilcox - and Hughes to a degree - was that they were confused on D. The Knicks seem to switch on everything and these 2 guys weren't used to it and it made for some weird spacing or guys being open.

Man, Hughes has quick hands. He also looked good bringing the ball up and has a great handle. I can definitely see his role being backing up Duhon as he learns to orchestrate the Offense. Wilcox looks awesome on the offensive glass. Pretty active defender too. Looking forward to seeing these guys get their legs, build some chemistry and contribute

What about the rookie Gallo where does he fit into this. I don't think Hughes is much of a player he looked like garbage. If he couldn't help Chicago how the hell is this crappy player going to help NYK. Someone put him on the inactive list please get Jerome back because Hughes is going to mess the rotation up big time and ruin Gallo's chance to be a player in the league. This is a huge mistake what D'Antoni is doing there is no way Hughes is going to help this team he is aweful I don't need to see more of this player.

can't really determine what MDA's gonna do w/Hughes based off 1 game... he has to have some time to evaluate these guys & figure out how he wants to use them... u can't do that w/in the span of 1 practice or 2... he's gotta see them in game action.
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2/22/2009  2:57 PM
This is the problem I have with MDA. Nothing is consistent. He sits Marbury and explains it as they he is not part of the future plans and younger guys need playing time to see what role they will have in the future. He plays Gallinari when he gets back, start him in a couple of games and now it is a pecking order thing. He shouldn't get minutes because he is Italian (whatever... I know he is joking). So are we rebuilding or pushing for the playoffs the next couple of years. Or we doing Isiah's option 3, Rebuilding on a fly. To me it looks like the latter.
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2/22/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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Posted by martin:
Posted by Travla:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks got hurt on the boards tonight. In the few minutes Wilcox got I thought he was a beast hitting the glass. He got brought down by the fact that he had to play all of his minutes with Hughes out there, who was forcing the game and playing like ****. I think if Wilcox takes over Jeffries minutes we will be a lot more imposing inside.

Wilcox should definitely be starting for Jeffries after a few games.

the one thing I noticed about Wilcox - and Hughes to a degree - was that they were confused on D. The Knicks seem to switch on everything and these 2 guys weren't used to it and it made for some weird spacing or guys being open.

Man, Hughes has quick hands. He also looked good bringing the ball up and has a great handle. I can definitely see his role being backing up Duhon as he learns to orchestrate the Offense. Wilcox looks awesome on the offensive glass. Pretty active defender too. Looking forward to seeing these guys get their legs, build some chemistry and contribute

What about the rookie Gallo where does he fit into this. I don't think Hughes is much of a player he looked like garbage. If he couldn't help Chicago how the hell is this crappy player going to help NYK. Someone put him on the inactive list please get Jerome back because Hughes is going to mess the rotation up big time and ruin Gallo's chance to be a player in the league. This is a huge mistake what D'Antoni is doing there is no way Hughes is going to help this team he is aweful I don't need to see more of this player.

I'm looking at it from more of a 'working in two new guys who haven't played much and need to get their legs' point of view. Someone had to sit, coach needs a look at his new guys, they need some game action to knock the rust off, and they will need a rest tomorrow. Gallo, should be ready to go and motivated to fight for his minutes. Gallo need to show some signs of improvement tomorrow. Q got minutes because he deserves a chance to fight for his spot. Of course, he did exactly what we expect from him....nothing. Q should start to be phased out, but Gallo needs to start to show something. These guys need to learn what it's like to fight for a playoff spot even if they don't make it it's another learning/growing experience for the team. Coach is going to play his best players and right now, Gallo needs to show that he is one of them. I like the move, MDA is a great motivator....except if he thinks your useless like *cough* Curry and Marburry then he could give two craps about you.
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2/22/2009  3:06 PM
MDA's job is to coach to win games, bottomline... if he feels that playing Gallo more minutes will give him a better chance to win right now, that's what he'll do... if he feels Gallo still needs more developing, then he'll go w/other guys til he deems Gallo is ready to take on a bigger role... that doesn't mean he places no importance on the rebuild & solely focused on making a push for the playoffs... i'm sure he's trying to do both at the same time... there's no set formula for a coach to give out minutes in every game... sometimes a player is playing well & warrants more, sometimes he doesn't... unless u're an established star player in the NBA u'r not always guaranteed a certain amount of minutes every single game... it varies sometimes from 1 game to another, with young developing players the variance is a lot more than on more experienced ones... u have to expect this... Gallo's gonna take some time to grow into the player he might be someday as most 19 yo players do when they hit the NBA.
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2/22/2009  3:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Vmart:
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Posted by martin:
Posted by Travla:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks got hurt on the boards tonight. In the few minutes Wilcox got I thought he was a beast hitting the glass. He got brought down by the fact that he had to play all of his minutes with Hughes out there, who was forcing the game and playing like ****. I think if Wilcox takes over Jeffries minutes we will be a lot more imposing inside.

Wilcox should definitely be starting for Jeffries after a few games.

the one thing I noticed about Wilcox - and Hughes to a degree - was that they were confused on D. The Knicks seem to switch on everything and these 2 guys weren't used to it and it made for some weird spacing or guys being open.

Man, Hughes has quick hands. He also looked good bringing the ball up and has a great handle. I can definitely see his role being backing up Duhon as he learns to orchestrate the Offense. Wilcox looks awesome on the offensive glass. Pretty active defender too. Looking forward to seeing these guys get their legs, build some chemistry and contribute

What about the rookie Gallo where does he fit into this. I don't think Hughes is much of a player he looked like garbage. If he couldn't help Chicago how the hell is this crappy player going to help NYK. Someone put him on the inactive list please get Jerome back because Hughes is going to mess the rotation up big time and ruin Gallo's chance to be a player in the league. This is a huge mistake what D'Antoni is doing there is no way Hughes is going to help this team he is aweful I don't need to see more of this player.

can't really determine what MDA's gonna do w/Hughes based off 1 game... he has to have some time to evaluate these guys & figure out how he wants to use them... u can't do that w/in the span of 1 practice or 2... he's gotta see them in game action.

I thought you earn your stripes in practice. Why was Hughes out there playing when it is obvious he hasn't earned the right to play in game situation. This is bullshyt. MDA cost the Knicks a game and you know this affected Chandler to some degree he is already looking over his shoulder. this is a MDA f'up.
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2/22/2009  3:14 PM
MDA's a proven winning coach, i trust he knows what he's doing... he's been doing a good job so far this season from what i've seen... Gallo hasn't earned his stripes yet either & u can't blame a coach for wanting to see his new players in action to see how they fit in... if Hughes continues to get big minutes & still struggles then u'll have a reason to be angry.
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2/22/2009  3:19 PM
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MDA's a proven winning coach, i trust he knows what he's doing... he's been doing a good job so far this season from what i've seen... Gallo hasn't earned his stripes yet either & u can't blame a coach for wanting to see his new players in action to see how they fit in... if Hughes continues to get big minutes & still struggles then u'll have a reason to be angry.

But wouldn't you agree that it isn't consistent. We all been creaming for the kid to get playing time whether you were for the his selection or not. To show what he could prove and use this time as a learning experience. Now with Hughes and Wilcox we just flush that down the drain. As much as I beat up MDA he has been ok for me this season but this is one of those things that bother me about him. He blows hot and cold too quick for my liking. They should have just sent the kid to the D-League to rehab and get significant playing time. We beat up on Isiah last year for not doing that for Chandler or Mardy.
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2/22/2009  3:20 PM
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MDA's a proven winning coach, i trust he knows what he's doing... he's been doing a good job so far this season from what i've seen... Gallo hasn't earned his stripes yet either & u can't blame a coach for wanting to see his new players in action to see how they fit in... if Hughes continues to get big minutes & still struggles then u'll have a reason to be angry.

Deep down you know he f'ed up. You cannot justify this noone can. You want to see Hughes see him in practice until he know what the hell he is doing on out there he should not have been on the floor. This is no playoff push coaching MDA is doing this is just stiupidity at work. He is selling out the NYK future for some playoffs he is coaching himself out off. That MOFo hughes should not have been out there.

You put Gallo out there he gives you more than 3 points.
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2/22/2009  3:22 PM
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MDA's job is to coach to win games, bottomline... if he feels that playing Gallo more minutes will give him a better chance to win right now, that's what he'll do... if he feels Gallo still needs more developing, then he'll go w/other guys til he deems Gallo is ready to take on a bigger role... that doesn't mean he places no importance on the rebuild & solely focused on making a push for the playoffs... i'm sure he's trying to do both at the same time... there's no set formula for a coach to give out minutes in every game... sometimes a player is playing well & warrants more, sometimes he doesn't... unless u're an established star player in the NBA u'r not always guaranteed a certain amount of minutes every single game... it varies sometimes from 1 game to another, with young developing players the variance is a lot more than on more experienced ones... u have to expect this... Gallo's gonna take some time to grow into the player he might be someday as most 19 yo players do when they hit the NBA.

How can his opinion on players change so drastically? One game they deserve to start and the next there's a pecking order that explains a DNP-CD?

That's not coaching, that's flying by the seat of your pants.
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2/22/2009  3:24 PM
but for this game, MDA has been pretty consistent with Gallo's minutes, whether as a starter or not.

There are not too many practices left, so Wilcox and Hughes can't really earn it there. These are vets, not rookies.
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2/22/2009  3:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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MDA's job is to coach to win games, bottomline... if he feels that playing Gallo more minutes will give him a better chance to win right now, that's what he'll do... if he feels Gallo still needs more developing, then he'll go w/other guys til he deems Gallo is ready to take on a bigger role... that doesn't mean he places no importance on the rebuild & solely focused on making a push for the playoffs... i'm sure he's trying to do both at the same time... there's no set formula for a coach to give out minutes in every game... sometimes a player is playing well & warrants more, sometimes he doesn't... unless u're an established star player in the NBA u'r not always guaranteed a certain amount of minutes every single game... it varies sometimes from 1 game to another, with young developing players the variance is a lot more than on more experienced ones... u have to expect this... Gallo's gonna take some time to grow into the player he might be someday as most 19 yo players do when they hit the NBA.

How can his opinion on players change so drastically? One game they deserve to start and the next there's a pecking order that explains a DNP-CD?

That's not coaching, that's flying by the seat of your pants.


We got to rebuild on the fly.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-22-2009 3:29 PM]
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2/22/2009  3:28 PM
I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.
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2/22/2009  3:38 PM
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I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.

What lost the game was MDA that is who lost the game. MDA needs to realize that if he is going to make the playoffs the players who will lead him to the playoffs is Chandler, Gallo, Nate, Lee and Duhon. Not Hughes he isn't a savior and he isn't much better than Gallo at this point in his career.

I don't know what you guys are watching but when I saw Hughes coming to the game a second time After a minute I was cursing at my tv to get Hughes out of there. This guy has a ****ty game that is going to ruin the Knicks chance of accomolishing anything good this year.

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2/22/2009  3:45 PM
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MDA's a proven winning coach, i trust he knows what he's doing... he's been doing a good job so far this season from what i've seen... Gallo hasn't earned his stripes yet either & u can't blame a coach for wanting to see his new players in action to see how they fit in... if Hughes continues to get big minutes & still struggles then u'll have a reason to be angry.

Deep down you know he f'ed up. You cannot justify this noone can. You want to see Hughes see him in practice until he know what the hell he is doing on out there he should not have been on the floor. This is no playoff push coaching MDA is doing this is just stiupidity at work. He is selling out the NYK future for some playoffs he is coaching himself out off. That MOFo hughes should not have been out there.

You put Gallo out there he gives you more than 3 points.

practice? we talkin' bout practice man... come on, u know u can't get a full feel of how a player will fit into a system just by practicing... u gotta see them in real game action & they need to grow accustomed to playing w/new teammates on their end... it's a fluid process that doesn't take a single day or practice evaluation to determine.
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2/22/2009  3:56 PM
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I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.

What lost the game was MDA that is who lost the game. MDA needs to realize that if he is going to make the playoffs the players who will lead him to the playoffs is Chandler, Gallo, Nate, Lee and Duhon. Not Hughes he isn't a savior and he isn't much better than Gallo at this point in his career.

I don't know what you guys are watching but when I saw Hughes coming to the game a second time After a minute I was cursing at my tv to get Hughes out of there. This guy has a ****ty game that is going to ruin the Knicks chance of accomolishing anything good this year.

Dude, we haven't won in Toronto in a long time
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