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djsunyc
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1/6/2009  10:32 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:
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i understand the knicks don't have the talent. but a play or two here and there won't hurt. i don't think you can just trot out the same players with the same plays every single night if the talent to dominate with that play isn't there. it's basically, keep running it, if the shots go in, good, if not, oh well, i'm not going to draw up anything else.

Problem is these guys will take every open 3 given to them and forget to take it to the basket and put legitimate pressure on the defense. Really takes the pressure of the defenders

isn't that a problem with the coaching?

It's a problem with the players. The system gives you wide open looks. You need players who can make them. Ours...can't.

Where are you going with this DJ? Hate the coach? Want him gone? If so, well, I dunno what to tell ya...he's here for the duration this go around. Signed for four years? Here for four years.

Get him the right players it will work.

2010 we trust? Let's hope so.

i don't really hate the coach or the players b/c i don't care about the team. i'm just making an observation. it looks to me like what the king said is true, d'antoni is one dimensional and he's not adjusting to her personnel in the slightest. he's basically given up on trying to see if nate can run the backup point and is basically running duhon to the ground. he's not running any post plays. he's not having his players attack. it's the same thing over and over. yes, the talent isn't there. but at least try something else, no?
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1/6/2009  10:37 PM
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you should have read my keys on the other forum after we beat the celts. I predicted we get our teeth kicked in.. those were my exact words..

It is the same story.. I hate to say this, I would consider moving lee and nate, so we can just start over. for some reason maybe those guys can't shake thelosing.... while we are at it, just cut curry and Q... anything that was associated with the isiah era of losing..

Yeah, I hear ya TKF, and....it would seem just about every Knick fan almost EXPECTED to lose tonight. Whatever gives with that who knows. We're famous for it.

The question is....is this the straw that not just breaks the avid Knick fan back...but the player's backs? Where we then go on a 2-22 run of games?

I think it is.


And, yes, trade Nate, if we're lucky some team thinks he's so good they'll take Curry or Jeffries off our hands in the process. Lee? Still up in the air but if you resign Lee to that 10M+ contract and start him - you're not winning games - especially given his new contract will only allow us to sign 1 max-fa.

So, yeah, continue to explore trading Lee as well, and again, try to ship out Curry with him.

I don't expect much from this team but THIS was a disgrace of epic proportions. This is as bad as ANY Isiah or Larry Brown loss.

Thunder are TRASH and we made them look like, as you said, the Spurs.

What a joke...............
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1/6/2009  10:38 PM
DJ, maybe he's tanking?
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1/6/2009  10:38 PM
We need another big or two. We need shooters. We need guys who can defend consistently. We desperately need shotblocking. We still need to be gutted.

This is what happens when you build a team built of players who have lost consistently throughout there careers, or have bad reputations.
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1/6/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't really hate the coach or the players b/c i don't care about the team. i'm just making an observation. it looks to me like what the king said is true, d'antoni is one dimensional and he's not adjusting to her personnel in the slightest. he's basically given up on trying to see if nate can run the backup point and is basically running duhon to the ground. he's not running any post plays. he's not having his players attack. it's the same thing over and over. yes, the talent isn't there. but at least try something else, no?

Seems like maybe everyone has given up. Maybe that's the plan I don't know anymore after watching this disaster.

As to Nate: He's no PG. He's an immature chucker.
As to Duhon: He's regressed right back into what he always was: A mediocre backup player.

So, well...that's where we stand. Do we have a single starter on this team? Maybe Harrington, maybe. Eh, it is what it is, a team that is tearing it's roster down and hoping to begin rebuilding it 17 months later.

These types of games will be the norm from here on out.

After this, these players, who are all mentally fragile and stupid, are going to give up. It's over.
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1/6/2009  11:01 PM
Anyone here legitimately believe we have more talent than the Thunder? The system allows us to be competetive. This is a team without a legitimate NBA 17 pt scorer, let alone a number 1 option.
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1/6/2009  11:02 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Anyone here legitimately believe we have more talent than the Thunder? The system allows us to be competetive. This is a team without a legitimate NBA 17 pt scorer, let alone a number 1 option.

Or a legit front office.
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1/6/2009  11:02 PM
The Celtics game was a mirage. The team's offense is completely gone. Jefferies and Harrington and Nate have destroyed it.

I am actually looking forward to Eddy Curry getting some minutes. I can't believe I'm saying that.

Just think, a few months ago we had Dlee/Duhon/Crawford and Zach playing substantial minutes with Nate and Wilson picking up slack. Now we are a joke.
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1/6/2009  11:07 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by VDesai:

Anyone here legitimately believe we have more talent than the Thunder? The system allows us to be competetive. This is a team without a legitimate NBA 17 pt scorer, let alone a number 1 option.

Or a legit front office.

I don't advocate this add on. We're doing the right things now, but we only just started doing the right things. If we started doing them 8 years ago we'd obviously be in better shape.

But we're not fielding a competetive roster and making a lot of definitive pronouncements about certain players and about the coaching. Its a dangerous game.
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1/6/2009  11:13 PM
When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?
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1/6/2009  11:17 PM
Posted by Uptown:

When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

With Jeffries and Richardson starting, I'd say the Thunder.
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1/6/2009  11:19 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Uptown:

When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

With Jeffries and Richardson starting, I'd say the Thunder.

i'm dismayed at how much i want to see Curry starting at center again.
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1/6/2009  11:52 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Uptown:

When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

With Jeffries and Richardson starting, I'd say the Thunder.

i'm dismayed at how much i want to see Curry starting at center again.

Forget about McCurry....

Actually, as I have said for at least four consecutive seasons, when a game has gotten away from us like tonight's did, what harm would it be to put in Jerome James?

The guy will go in there and slam anyone near him to the floor, he can actually post up and score even when he hasn't played for 200 days in a row, and he changes the entire rhythm of the game.

Then, after 4 or 5 minutes, you sit him and try to capitalize on the changed flow of the game.

...I'm being honest here. I never understood why we never used him like this. He's perfect for this. It's like RollerDerby in the 80s a team getting beat on would put in the really sucky thug that would change the momentum of the match. Same thing here.

Yet, we never do it. I can't understand it.
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1/7/2009  1:10 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Uptown:

When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

With Jeffries and Richardson starting, I'd say the Thunder.

i'm dismayed at how much i want to see Curry starting at center again.

Forget about McCurry....

Actually, as I have said for at least four consecutive seasons, when a game has gotten away from us like tonight's did, what harm would it be to put in Jerome James?

The guy will go in there and slam anyone near him to the floor, he can actually post up and score even when he hasn't played for 200 days in a row, and he changes the entire rhythm of the game.

Then, after 4 or 5 minutes, you sit him and try to capitalize on the changed flow of the game.

...I'm being honest here. I never understood why we never used him like this. He's perfect for this. It's like RollerDerby in the 80s a team getting beat on would put in the really sucky thug that would change the momentum of the match. Same thing here.

Yet, we never do it. I can't understand it.


I agree. Use his 6 fouls goddammit.
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1/7/2009  1:32 AM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Uptown:

When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

With Jeffries and Richardson starting, I'd say the Thunder.

i'm dismayed at how much i want to see Curry starting at center again.

Forget about McCurry....

Actually, as I have said for at least four consecutive seasons, when a game has gotten away from us like tonight's did, what harm would it be to put in Jerome James?

The guy will go in there and slam anyone near him to the floor, he can actually post up and score even when he hasn't played for 200 days in a row, and he changes the entire rhythm of the game.

Then, after 4 or 5 minutes, you sit him and try to capitalize on the changed flow of the game.

...I'm being honest here. I never understood why we never used him like this. He's perfect for this. It's like RollerDerby in the 80s a team getting beat on would put in the really sucky thug that would change the momentum of the match. Same thing here.

Yet, we never do it. I can't understand it.


I agree. Use his 6 fouls goddammit.


Make him earn his money.
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1/7/2009  1:34 AM


IMG block?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-07-2009 01:35 AM]
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1/7/2009  1:42 AM
Posted by GKFv2:



IMG block?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-07-2009 01:35 AM]

Use him how I said.

What is so hard? What is the harm?

The guy may be a bust but in the context I stated, something we've seen what TWICE a year when a coach decides to relent and put him in, does it not change a game's flow in our favor?

It always does.

Play the man.....Yeah, I'm serious. Play him.
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1/7/2009  8:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:


i don't really hate the coach or the players b/c i don't care about the team. i'm just making an observation. it looks to me like what the king said is true, d'antoni is one dimensional and he's not adjusting to her personnel in the slightest. he's basically given up on trying to see if nate can run the backup point and is basically running duhon to the ground. he's not running any post plays. he's not having his players attack. it's the same thing over and over. yes, the talent isn't there. but at least try something else, no?

i have to agree with this. it's great that al got hot and his 3-pointers got us back in the game. but then you don't have your team chuck another 3 every time down after cutting the lead to 2. you call a TO and settle them down and get some movement and passing to cutters or posters. it was disheartening to watch them brick from the outside every trip down after fighting to get back in the game.
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1/7/2009  11:07 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Uptown:

When the tea loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

With Jeffries and Richardson starting, I'd say the Thunder.

i'm dismayed at how much i want to see Curry starting at center again.

Forget about McCurry....

Actually, as I have said for at least four consecutive seasons, when a game has gotten away from us like tonight's did, what harm would it be to put in Jerome James?

The guy will go in there and slam anyone near him to the floor, he can actually post up and score even when he hasn't played for 200 days in a row, and he changes the entire rhythm of the game.

Then, after 4 or 5 minutes, you sit him and try to capitalize on the changed flow of the game.

...I'm being honest here. I never understood why we never used him like this. He's perfect for this. It's like RollerDerby in the 80s a team getting beat on would put in the really sucky thug that would change the momentum of the match. Same thing here.

Yet, we never do it. I can't understand it.


ROFL!!!!!! Karate james!!!
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1/7/2009  11:37 AM
Papabear Says

We need to give it time. I hate loosing a game like this but what you see it what you get. In order to play in New York you have to first have your head on straight. Take a look at the 1973 champion Knicks. They had Debusher, Clyde, Reed, Bill Bradley,Earl the Pearl,Phil Jackson and the rest of the team. These guys were smart and educated. They learned all about the game and how to deal with New York because New York is a special place. Todays Knicks look like they don't belong here and not educated to the game of basketball. Oh they got game but only once and a while they apply it. Thats not what we need. We need a team that can come out and win every game they are susposed to win and find a way to win games they are not susposed to win. Now that's an educated professional basketball player who leaves it all out on the court every game.

[Edited by - Papabear on 01-07-2009 11:38 AM]
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