Posted by djsunyc:

btw, why are people still comparin palin's resume to obama's? palin is not the #1 name on the ticket, it's mccain.

and regardless of where you stand on palin, "senator, you're no jack kennedy" tells me that the vp doesn't factor in *that* heavily when it comes time to vote for president.

it's mccain or obama...you don't vote for biden/palin seperately...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 1:05 PM]

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by djsunyc:

btw, why are people still comparin palin's resume to obama's? palin is not the #1 name on the ticket, it's mccain.

and regardless of where you stand on palin, "senator, you're no jack kennedy" tells me that the vp doesn't factor in *that* heavily when it comes time to vote for president.

it's mccain or obama...you don't vote for biden/palin seperately...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 1:05 PM]

Thats the Republicans big sticking point experience: Obama is qualified to lead the country because he lacks the experience but when picking a running mate he attempted to sure up the experience question. At least with either Obama or Biden imo you have two cohesive and complimentary candidates. McCain questions Obama's experience then turns around and brings in a person whose been Gov of a population thats consists of two moose and 4 people.

Thats why its important remember McCain made it an issue not Obama or Biden.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Pharzeone:

In just a few short days, Palin has proved to be a hypocrite.
1) Claims now that the media is being sexist. Just a few months ago when Hillary Clinton made the same claims. Palin was quoted as calling her a whiner for using the sexism charge.
2) Claims to be a reformer and oppose to earmarks. Now the record indicates that she hated earmarks so much that got 14 such earmarks for her town.
3) Claims to support and be fiscally sound for budgets. Left her town in serious debt.
4) Claims to be a reformer for Ethics and now is being investigated for troopergate.
5) Her big claim to fame is that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere": Now reports come out that she supported the bill until the public outcry about it.

Bigsm00th makes the best case about why Palin must be looked at. No one really wants to discuss it but it is very apparent. My question dj, is why should Palin be treated different then any other unknown VP candidate?

i just want to clarify some things b/c it seems like if you make one comment about one member of a particular party, people who support the other party will chime in.

1. i have not said who i will vote for.
2. i have not commented on any of the issues.
3. i have not given my opinion of the content of anybody's speeches.

my positive remarks on palin have only to do with her presentation and ability to do what the republican party asked her to do last night. she delivered exactly how they wanted her to. that's all. palin shouldn't be treated different than anybody else. i think anything said about any of the issues during the the DNC and the RNC mean nothing b/c like i said before, it's a huge pep rally to get people to cheer. the next two months of debates will tell americans who they should vote for.

Posted by bitty41:

I agree the Democrats should frame the argument of showing that Obama exhibits better judgement. But experience was McCain's number one reason why voters should vote for him; so this VP candidate directly correlates with McCain's lack of judgement.

By showing that even though he questions Obama's experience he had no problem selecting someone that he met once before and with just as little if not less experience then his opponent. Focus on McCain's questionable decision making skills. He completely contradicted himself with this Palin pick and the Dems should hammer this home with voters.

Republicans would call such a move by a Dem a "flip flop." But Dems don't have the balls or brains to fight tough like that.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by nykshaknbake:

Love how you conclude instantly that Palin is a hypocrite. Does that mean that the grandmother of every child born out of wedlock is a hypocrite too? Can't have it both ways. I'm sure she told her kid to have a kid as well. It's ironic that so much is made of this from a party that promotes sexual liberation and lack of accountability.

Posted by sebstar:

You know whats rich, all this bellyaching from conservatives, especially when it comes to media coverage over the Palin pick. These guys are the ultimate bullies. They pushed around a nation earlier in the decade, forcing us off to war, stripping away our civil liberties, trashing our economy and they and dared anyone to utter a contrary word, promising retribution if anyone bit.

Now that the temperature in the room is conducive to returning fire, they whine and lie about the supposed liberal media that's picking on their hate mongering parade. Comical.

They pick a hypocritical, pious, hockey mom who is just months removed from being the mayor of a town the size of a high school, and the minute some question it they cry sexism. Hilarious. It would be even funnier if it weren't so sad and ironic.

In Barack you saw a innuendo, hidden-meaning laden agenda about him being a Muslim, hating America and being compared to failed black politicians and thats when white folks were being nice. In Palin there have been specific criticisms of her record and competency level. Gender is not the problem and you wont see her compared unfavorably to Ferraro.

They have their lily-white convention and their transparent talking points and its just completely nauseating.

Could you imagine what they would have said if it were Barack's teenage daughter whom was pregnant?


[Edited by - sebstar on 09-03-2008 2:33 PM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-03-2008 2:59 PM]

I dont know if this is a reference to Barack's grandmother or not, but this is an ideology that has continually demonized young mothers, specifically those in the inner city, and a supposed morally-deficient youth that can only be cured through abstinence only education.

Its textbook conservatism. Get tough on issues as long as they dont affect you or your community and lambaste liberals for being "soft". But the minute their daughter gets pregnant, or their son gets caught with drugs, or their father gets caught committing a crime, then all of a sudden they want peace, love and understanding.


[Edited by - sebstar on 09-04-2008 6:12 PM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-04-2008 6:15 PM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-04-2008 10:06 PM]

Posted by nykshaknbake:

The only thing that does concern me is the Bridge to Nowhere thing....she souldn't have claimed credit for that wen she was a proponent of it initially.

Troopergate is a media manufactured story
1) is pretty much standard political attacks
Any good politician will get as many earmarks for their town. It's unfortunate the system works like that, but their primary responsibility is to their constituents.

All in all, I think it wasnt the best choice...Liberman/McCain would have actually been a strong ticket.

Posted by Pharzeone:

In just a few short days, Palin has proved to be a hypocrite.
1) Claims now that the media is being sexist. Just a few months ago when Hillary Clinton made the same claims. Palin was quoted as calling her a whiner for using the sexism charge.
2) Claims to be a reformer and oppose to earmarks. Now the record indicates that she hated earmarks so much that got 14 such earmarks for her town.
3) Claims to support and be fiscally sound for budgets. Left her town in serious debt.
4) Claims to be a reformer for Ethics and now is being investigated for troopergate.
5) Her big claim to fame is that she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere": Now reports come out that she supported the bill until the public outcry about it.

Bigsm00th makes the best case about why Palin must be looked at. No one really wants to discuss it but it is very apparent. My question dj, is why should Palin be treated different then any other unknown VP candidate?

Troopergate is not a media generated story since it was going on before she was even picked. She hired attorneys 3 weeks ago. McCain did not vet her properly. He makes rash decisions by his own accord. The only problem with accepting earmarks is that she is supposed to be a reformer and should be against all earmarks. In addition, there is the "Road to Nowhere" not to be confused with the "Bridge to Nowhere" she apparently is still onboard with this earmark. The conservative right would not have backed McCain if he would have taken Liberman who he really wanted. He knew he couldn't win without them this time around. I think 2000 still haunts him. He moved so far right he backed himself in a corner. Another problem with taking Liberman is that he is a man without a place to call home. McCain knew that Liberman has burned all his bridges so it was doubtful that he would benefit from taking him. He could have taken Huckabee, a man with executive experience that is well known and liked by the conservative establishment but McCain doesn't like him. He basically took a person that he could control on the ticket that the based would like.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 09-04-2008 10:32 PM]

Posted by playa2:

Sarah Palin the other night was a Republican novelty act with a sophomoric script. NUFF SAID!

Posted by martin:

MS, this is for you. Haven't really read it over but it's probably full of what you are looking for.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/The/gG5tCk

What exactly has Senator Obama accomplished in the IL State Senate and during his tenure thus far in the US Senate? Detractors try to tell you us he's only good for a speech.

Fighting back the knee-jerk response of calling them outright liars, I decided to visit the Library of Congress website at http://thomas.loc.gov/ and search for all Bills and Amendments sponsored, co-sponsored or supported by Senator Obama.

In addition to Bills sponsored, I also discoverd that there are several pieces of legislation, voted into law, that was sponsored by Senator Obama. Note too, I have grouped the Bills found on the Library of Congress website by category for easier perusal. There are over 100 Bills and Amendments sponsored by Senator Obama this past year alone; since his arrival in the US Senate, 4 Bills he sponsored or co-sponsored have been signed into law. No "empty suit" here. Read on.