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VDesai
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6/30/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by McK1:

lets just lose 60 games while developing DG and get another top pick

Would that be the worst thing in the world? Sure it would be hard to sit through, but one player is not gonna do this. How much better would be in 2 years if we developed Danilo, another top 10 pick and made some savvy trades where we could extract a couple of young players?

The Celts only hit the big time on one of their picks, but put together enough solid young talent to put themselves in a position where they had a roster that was attractive enough to make some moves. That is the path we need to take, to either a) have the talent developed to succeed, or b) have enough attractive young talent on the roster (and not overbloated contracts) where we can make some moves.
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6/30/2008  2:35 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by McK1:

lets just lose 60 games while developing DG and get another top pick

Would that be the worst thing in the world?

i wasn't being sarcastic. i think this is the best strategy going forward
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6/30/2008  3:24 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by McK1:

lets just lose 60 games while developing DG and get another top pick

Would that be the worst thing in the world?

i wasn't being sarcastic. i think this is the best strategy going forward

agreed. of all the potential assets we have, the potential for a top pick in 2009 is the best. can ny fans be patient? i think we all know the answer. oh well.
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6/30/2008  3:30 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by McK1:

lets just lose 60 games while developing DG and get another top pick

Would that be the worst thing in the world?

i wasn't being sarcastic. i think this is the best strategy going forward

agreed. of all the potential assets we have, the potential for a top pick in 2009 is the best. can ny fans be patient? i think we all know the answer. oh well.

the question isn't whether ny fans will be patient...it's whether the organization will be patient. ny fans can b*tch and moan all they want, but the garden is still sold out and it's obvious that what fans think will not effect dolan in any way. being patient is 100% on the knicks, not the fans.
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6/30/2008  7:55 PM
Exactly. NY fans have sat through absolute and total crap from this org. for almost 10 years now and they still have people in the building watching games. It's not quite the same fan base as it was before but it hasn't dissapeared. We are willing to watch them to try to turn things around provided there is evidecnce they are doing so. Losing a crapload of games while playing veterans and overpaying veterans is something no one's particularly interested in sitting through.
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6/30/2008  8:00 PM
what Mark Jackson said on draft night holds true... as long as NY fans see their guys giving it their all on the court every night they will support them... this is why fans at MSG like to watch guys like D Lee & Nate on the floor & this is why IMO they will get behind Danilo Gallinari if he hustles & plays his heart out on a nightly basis.
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7/1/2008  8:34 AM
Just like Eddie Lee Wilkins, Ernie Grunfeld, Chris Dudley etc... LOL
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7/1/2008  7:53 PM
GALLINARI !!!! The more I watch this kid on tape the more I like him. I don't know why people keep talking about him beingstiff legged or slow. He's freakin 6-10 and he's moving like a guard! That handle is sick and his pump fakes are very tricky. With his size, length and overall skill level this kid is gonna do very well in the NBA. He doesn't look slow to me. He may not be the fastest or jump the highest, but he's more than athletic enough to be successful. It's really more about his skills and BB IQ. I love that he actually drives the ball so much, which is something Frye never developed. Now Frye was stiff legged. Gallo is not. Did you see the guy turn the corner and change direction on a dime?

Guys like him get by with deception, change of speed and misdirection. Paul Pierce is very similar in that he's not really a fast guy or explosive guy, but his dribble is so solid and he can get to anywhere he wants to and then he uses his strength well to finish moves. All Gallo has to do is bulk up and get into NBA shape and I think he'll do great.
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Posted by nixluva:

GALLINARI !!!! The more I watch this kid on tape the more I like him. I don't know why people keep talking about him beingstiff legged or slow. He's freakin 6-10 and he's moving like a guard! That handle is sick and his pump fakes are very tricky. With his size, length and overall skill level this kid is gonna do very well in the NBA. He doesn't look slow to me. He may not be the fastest or jump the highest, but he's more than athletic enough to be successful. It's really more about his skills and BB IQ. I love that he actually drives the ball so much, which is something Frye never developed. Now Frye was stiff legged. Gallo is not. Did you see the guy turn the corner and change direction on a dime?

Guys like him get by with deception, change of speed and misdirection. Paul Pierce is very similar in that he's not really a fast guy or explosive guy, but his dribble is so solid and he can get to anywhere he wants to and then he uses his strength well to finish moves. All Gallo has to do is bulk up and get into NBA shape and I think he'll do great.

What tapes have you seen? I've just seen a few clips on YouTube, not really enough to form a judgment. Honestly, it usually looks like he's not going against very tough defenders.

Any links to clips that might shed more light?

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7/1/2008  8:17 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nixluva:

GALLINARI !!!! The more I watch this kid on tape the more I like him. I don't know why people keep talking about him beingstiff legged or slow. He's freakin 6-10 and he's moving like a guard! That handle is sick and his pump fakes are very tricky. With his size, length and overall skill level this kid is gonna do very well in the NBA. He doesn't look slow to me. He may not be the fastest or jump the highest, but he's more than athletic enough to be successful. It's really more about his skills and BB IQ. I love that he actually drives the ball so much, which is something Frye never developed. Now Frye was stiff legged. Gallo is not. Did you see the guy turn the corner and change direction on a dime?

Guys like him get by with deception, change of speed and misdirection. Paul Pierce is very similar in that he's not really a fast guy or explosive guy, but his dribble is so solid and he can get to anywhere he wants to and then he uses his strength well to finish moves. All Gallo has to do is bulk up and get into NBA shape and I think he'll do great.

What tapes have you seen? I've just seen a few clips on YouTube, not really enough to form a judgment. Honestly, it usually looks like he's not going against very tough defenders.

Any links to clips that might shed more light?

This link is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
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7/1/2008  8:55 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nixluva:

GALLINARI !!!! The more I watch this kid on tape the more I like him. I don't know why people keep talking about him beingstiff legged or slow. He's freakin 6-10 and he's moving like a guard! That handle is sick and his pump fakes are very tricky. With his size, length and overall skill level this kid is gonna do very well in the NBA. He doesn't look slow to me. He may not be the fastest or jump the highest, but he's more than athletic enough to be successful. It's really more about his skills and BB IQ. I love that he actually drives the ball so much, which is something Frye never developed. Now Frye was stiff legged. Gallo is not. Did you see the guy turn the corner and change direction on a dime?

Guys like him get by with deception, change of speed and misdirection. Paul Pierce is very similar in that he's not really a fast guy or explosive guy, but his dribble is so solid and he can get to anywhere he wants to and then he uses his strength well to finish moves. All Gallo has to do is bulk up and get into NBA shape and I think he'll do great.

What tapes have you seen? I've just seen a few clips on YouTube, not really enough to form a judgment. Honestly, it usually looks like he's not going against very tough defenders.

Any links to clips that might shed more light?

How much tape of someone do you have to see to tell if they have stiff legs? I mean the guy is breakin peoples ankles at 6-10 like he's a guard. Even tho these aren't NBA players, the level of play isn't that far off that you can't see some those skills translating. How many clips have you seen of guys his size with handle like that, crossing someone up in a similar manner?

I'm not saying he's a highlight reel player like these youtube vids show, but there is a certain skill level there that you can perceive from many of those moves. He looks fluid and the stats seem to support what we're seeing. High FTA's would suggest that he's elusive enough to get by defenders or draw contact. Part of it is also the threat of being able to just rise up and hit shots from anywhere. Now NBA defenders will be tougher, but tell me how many in the league at his size are as agile as he's showing? He looks a bit like Lamar Odom IMO.
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7/1/2008  8:57 PM
i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.
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7/1/2008  9:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.

people thought Diaw would get abused at center, but it turns out it might have been his best position. d'antoni likes some weird lineups.
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7/1/2008  10:05 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.

people thought Diaw would get abused at center, but it turns out it might have been his best position. d'antoni likes some weird lineups.

Also what did Camby weigh all these years? Many thought that Prince wouldn't be able to hold his own as well. From all reports the kid is tough and will put up a fight and many times that's what a player needs. He'll get stronger. Just remember that he's 19!!! He's still a pup like A. Randolph but only bigger He at least seems to be able to put on weight. He doesn't have that anorexic look. Walsh and D'Antoni looking at him as a PF is really a forward looking statement.
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7/1/2008  10:07 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nixluva:

GALLINARI !!!! The more I watch this kid on tape the more I like him. I don't know why people keep talking about him beingstiff legged or slow. He's freakin 6-10 and he's moving like a guard! That handle is sick and his pump fakes are very tricky. With his size, length and overall skill level this kid is gonna do very well in the NBA. He doesn't look slow to me. He may not be the fastest or jump the highest, but he's more than athletic enough to be successful. It's really more about his skills and BB IQ. I love that he actually drives the ball so much, which is something Frye never developed. Now Frye was stiff legged. Gallo is not. Did you see the guy turn the corner and change direction on a dime?

Guys like him get by with deception, change of speed and misdirection. Paul Pierce is very similar in that he's not really a fast guy or explosive guy, but his dribble is so solid and he can get to anywhere he wants to and then he uses his strength well to finish moves. All Gallo has to do is bulk up and get into NBA shape and I think he'll do great.

What tapes have you seen? I've just seen a few clips on YouTube, not really enough to form a judgment. Honestly, it usually looks like he's not going against very tough defenders.

Any links to clips that might shed more light?

This link is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

Thanks! That really is a good clip. His legs don't look quite as stiff as I thought.
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7/1/2008  10:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.

He'll get illegally blown by as a SF in the league. He's going to have to play off his man by 10 feet.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.

He'll get illegally blown by as a SF in the league. He's going to have to play off his man by 10 feet.

the scouting reports on draftexpress compliment his lateral quickness.

what games are you refering to, specifically, where he was beat repeatedly by wing players?
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7/1/2008  10:14 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.

He'll get illegally blown by as a SF in the league. He's going to have to play off his man by 10 feet.

the scouting reports on draftexpress compliment his lateral quickness.

what games are you refering to, specifically, where he was beat repeatedly by wing players?

I'm referring to his slow footedness and most scouting reports that question his lateral quickness, his stiff legs and his mediocre athleticism.
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7/1/2008  10:28 PM
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I'm referring to his slow footedness and most scouting reports that question his lateral quickness, his stiff legs and his mediocre athleticism.

I don't think the stiff legs are such a big deal. Being able to bend your leg at the knee is overrated.
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7/1/2008  10:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the guy is a SF. he will get illegally abused as a PF in the league.

He'll get illegally blown by as a SF in the league. He's going to have to play off his man by 10 feet.

the scouting reports on draftexpress compliment his lateral quickness.

what games are you refering to, specifically, where he was beat repeatedly by wing players?

I'm referring to his slow footedness and most scouting reports that question his lateral quickness, his stiff legs and his mediocre athleticism.

read through the scouting reports on the draft express gallinari profile. they go back to 2005 and many of them compliment his lateral quickness and say he was an aggressive defender, which fell off some when he was asked to carry the scoring load for his team.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/
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