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The Donnie Walsh (Mark Jackson would be perfect) Chronicles
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5/10/2008  7:35 PM
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djsu - the more I consider the Knicks circumstances, the more the selection of D'Antoni bothers me. Why would you want to raise expectations, with a Knicks roster in transition, by hiring a head coach who was spoiled by such uniquely gifted players as the Suns were able to acquire over the past 3 seasons?

If Donnie is a supreme basketball brain, it simply doesn't make sense to restrict decisions to the "name" hire. Beyond Mark Jackson, there is the next wave of bright minds just yearning for an opportunity to find their voice.

Beyond the coaching hire, the Knicks have managed once again to put the cart before the horse, sans a general manager, who will now inherit another person's executive decision.

With regard to the roster, expect a splashy signing to go along with those fries.

sheesh

marbury's expiring will most likely be used now. baron davis anyone?
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5/10/2008  7:43 PM
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - the more I consider the Knicks circumstances, the more the selection of D'Antoni bothers me. Why would you want to raise expectations, with a Knicks roster in transition, by hiring a head coach who was spoiled by such uniquely gifted players as the Suns were able to acquire over the past 3 seasons?

If Donnie is a supreme basketball brain, it simply doesn't make sense to restrict decisions to the "name" hire. Beyond Mark Jackson, there is the next wave of bright minds just yearning for an opportunity to find their voice.

Beyond the coaching hire, the Knicks have managed once again to put the cart before the horse, sans a general manager, who will now inherit another person's executive decision.

With regard to the roster, expect a splashy signing to go along with those fries.

sheesh

But if the New York fan is as astute as everyone claims us to be....shouldn't we know better. Regardless of if the coaches name is D'Antoni or Mark Jackson, we all understand (at least the atsutue understand) that know-one is winning with the roster as is. D'Antoni just gives us direction and a blueprint for Walsh to follow as he starts to rebuild.

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5/10/2008  7:48 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - the more I consider the Knicks circumstances, the more the selection of D'Antoni bothers me. Why would you want to raise expectations, with a Knicks roster in transition, by hiring a head coach who was spoiled by such uniquely gifted players as the Suns were able to acquire over the past 3 seasons?

If Donnie is a supreme basketball brain, it simply doesn't make sense to restrict decisions to the "name" hire. Beyond Mark Jackson, there is the next wave of bright minds just yearning for an opportunity to find their voice.

Beyond the coaching hire, the Knicks have managed once again to put the cart before the horse, sans a general manager, who will now inherit another person's executive decision.

With regard to the roster, expect a splashy signing to go along with those fries.

sheesh

But if the New York fan is as astute as everyone claims us to be....shouldn't we know better. Regardless of if the coaches name is D'Antoni or Mark Jackson, we all understand (at least the atsutue understand) that know-one is winning with the roster as is. D'Antoni just gives us direction and a blueprint for Walsh to follow as he starts to rebuild.

this will be true initially.

but once the media and fans get restless (which will be much sooner w/ the d'antoni hire)...there will be a greater pressure to make moves.

that's not particularly a bad thing...but what it tells me is that even with a new gm, it seems that the knicks philosophy under dolan will continue. walsh/d'antoni can make it work...only time will tell...

the most important thing is for walsh to bring in the right players and eventually a superstar to build around. b/c no matter who's coaching - wrong players/bad mix = bad team.
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5/10/2008  7:50 PM
Posted by misterearl:

No

Buying a coach like D'Antoni seems to fit Dolan's impatience. Hiring a Mark Jackson, and allowing him the opportunity to find his voice the same way Pat Riley (with no prior coaching experience) did, would appear to be a better fit for a roster in transition.

Donnie Walsh is on the clock.

YOu talking about Showtime Pat Riley that came to the knicks or assistant coach Pat Riley who was on the Lakers bench before he got that the Lakers Job??? I don't really see the hard on for Mark Jackson. Mike D is 100 times the coach and teacher he is.............. and do say say this because Mark Jackson has 0 record.

[Edited by - Anji on 05-10-2008 8:06 PM]
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5/10/2008  7:55 PM
Uptown - if the NYC fans is REALLY astute, he or she understands the head coach should follow the direction and a blueprint set by the team president. Suggesting that Walsh, without a GM in place, follow D'Antoni just feels patently azz-backwards.

if the coach does not fit, then you must acquit.

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5/10/2008  7:57 PM
Besides, this move reminds me of hiring John McLeod.

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5/10/2008  7:58 PM
just to be clear... I sincerely hope that I am dead wrong.

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5/10/2008  8:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

I'm with Mike Wilbon on this one crzymdups - D'Antoni is a strange move when you have the opportunity to deflect the aggressive personality of the city in a new hire.

Besides, Don Chaney was a better student and teacher of defensive strategy. The mild-mannered D'Antoni just might get eaten alive by the New York media sharks.

Mark Jackson would have been perfect.

With the big contract, (it still ain't my money) this honeymoon will be much shorter than Jackson's. The comparisons to his winning percentage at Phoenix have already started and this ain't Phoenix.

It won't be pretty.

i'm with misterearl on this one. d'antoni may get a year's worth of rope tops...then there will be major pressure to make a big time move...

it's a strange hire...and one i think with heavy influence from stern...

walsh hired as gm - check
d'antoni hired as coach - check
#2 pick in the nba draft - almost check

hey, if we get the #2 pick - I'll be too excited to care about much else.

but for now, I'm on misterearl's side. and that is so frightening to me. i never thought i'd see the day when me, misterearl and isles all agreed about something. this is terrifying. next it will rain blood and the rivers will flow backwards.
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5/10/2008  8:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - the more I consider the Knicks circumstances, the more the selection of D'Antoni bothers me. Why would you want to raise expectations, with a Knicks roster in transition, by hiring a head coach who was spoiled by such uniquely gifted players as the Suns were able to acquire over the past 3 seasons?

If Donnie is a supreme basketball brain, it simply doesn't make sense to restrict decisions to the "name" hire. Beyond Mark Jackson, there is the next wave of bright minds just yearning for an opportunity to find their voice.

Beyond the coaching hire, the Knicks have managed once again to put the cart before the horse, sans a general manager, who will now inherit another person's executive decision.

With regard to the roster, expect a splashy signing to go along with those fries.

sheesh

But if the New York fan is as astute as everyone claims us to be....shouldn't we know better. Regardless of if the coaches name is D'Antoni or Mark Jackson, we all understand (at least the atsutue understand) that know-one is winning with the roster as is. D'Antoni just gives us direction and a blueprint for Walsh to follow as he starts to rebuild.

this will be true initially.

but once the media and fans get restless (which will be much sooner w/ the d'antoni hire)...there will be a greater pressure to make moves.

that's not particularly a bad thing...but what it tells me is that even with a new gm, it seems that the knicks philosophy under dolan will continue. walsh/d'antoni can make it work...only time will tell...

the most important thing is for walsh to bring in the right players and eventually a superstar to build around. b/c no matter who's coaching - wrong players/bad mix = bad team.


Lets show a little more confidnece in Walsh and take him at his word of getting to or under the cap at 2010. I don't think he will panic and deviate from that plan regardless of what the media or fans say.
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5/10/2008  9:46 PM
Uptown - confidence in Walsh is one thing. Confidence in his ability to change the Cablevision corporate culture of fixing things as quickly as possible is quite another.

Getting under the cap will be much more strained as D'Antoni demands input on player transactions so he doesn't take the fall. Does D'Antoni REALLY understand how his every move will be scrutinized 20 times more than in Phoenix?

All it takes is one measly mis-reported comment to just one unsupervised reporter to start a forrest fire in the tinderbox that is Madison Square Garden. D'Antoni goes on Mike and The Mad Dog and loses his temper for a moment with Vinny from Bensonhurst.

Before you know it, you have the embers of a press-fanned power struggle. "Walsh unhappy with this..." Jamal Crawford is benched and starts to sulk. Stephon walks out of practice ("we talkin' bout practice") and David Lee twists his ankle in a fast-break drill. Knicks General Manager Kenny Smith calls Charles Barkley on his fave five plan and complains about D'Antoni being too soft. Barkley has a field day with new TBS studio co-host Mark Jackson, who can't conceal wondering what might have been.

D'Antoni starts to miss the peace and relative quite of the Arizona dessert and the rumors start to fly about the vacancy in Los Angeles after Phil Jackson retires unexpectedly in January to study in the Himalayas after listening to President-Elect Barack Obama's inspirational inauguration speech about following audacious dreams.

You heard it here first.





[Edited by - misterearl on 05-10-2008 9:51 PM]
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5/10/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Uptown - confidence in Walsh is one thing. Confidence in his ability to change the Cablevision corporate culture of fixing things as quickly as possible is quite another.

Getting under the cap will be much more strained as D'Antoni demands input on player transactions so he doesn't take the fall. Does D'Antoni REALLY understand how his every move will be scrutinized 20 times more than in Phoenix?

All it takes is one measly mis-reported comment to just one unsupervised reporter to start a forrest fire in the tinderbox that is Madison Square Garden. D'Antoni goes on Mike and The Mad Dog and loses his temper for a moment with Vinny from Bensonhurst.

Before you know it, you have the embers of a press-fanned power struggle. "Walsh unhappy with this..." Jamal Crawford is benched and starts to sulk. Stephon walks out of practice ("we talkin' bout practice") and David Lee twists his ankle in a fast-break drill. Knicks General Manager Kenny Smith calls Charles Barkley on his fave five plan and complains about D'Antoni being too soft. Barkley has a field day with new TBS studio co-host Mark Jackson, who can't conceal wondering what might have been.

D'Antoni starts to miss the peace and relative quite of the Arizona dessert and the rumors start to fly about the vacancy in Los Angeles after Phil Jackson retires unexpectedly in January to study in the Himalayas.

You heard it here first.

all that sounds about right. I think the major thing to be worried about with D'Antoni is just what you said, mr earl, that he'll want to bring in players to make himself look better - make no mistake D'Antoni supporters, he has something to prove - and end up wanting a guy like TJ Ford for right now, regardless of the cap ramifications.

Things like the Marion situation, which was kept under raps in PHX, will blow up in NY. How will D'Antoni handle that here? It's an unknown. D'Antoni seems to be a little prickly with the media, which could be a disaster. Hopefully Walsh helps him in that regard. It's one reason I favored Jackson.

But the bottom line is can Walsh get D'Antoni the right players? If he can, it will be entertaining and fun and most people will be happy enough to have a winning team. If he can't it'll get ugly faster than you can say Anucha.
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5/10/2008  10:02 PM
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cryzmdups - you pay any head coach that much chedda, to go along with his juice card, and you empower him to have a significant voice in the organization nearly equal to that of the president and beyond that of yet-to-be-named GM.

Through the decades, MSG yet to learn the fundamental lesson of chain of command.

This is better script material than any daytime soap opera, ever.

Stay tuned.



[Edited by - misterearl on 05-10-2008 10:03 PM]

[Edited by - misterearl on 05-11-2008 09:16 AM]
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5/10/2008  10:43 PM
misterearl is a hatter.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 05-10-2008 22:43]
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5/10/2008  11:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

I'm with Mike Wilbon on this one crzymdups - D'Antoni is a strange move when you have the opportunity to deflect the aggressive personality of the city in a new hire.

Besides, Don Chaney was a better student and teacher of defensive strategy. The mild-mannered D'Antoni just might get eaten alive by the New York media sharks.

Mark Jackson would have been perfect.

With the big contract, (it still ain't my money) this honeymoon will be much shorter than Jackson's. The comparisons to his winning percentage at Phoenix have already started and this ain't Phoenix.

It won't be pretty.

i'm with misterearl on this one. d'antoni may get a year's worth of rope tops...then there will be major pressure to make a big time move...

it's a strange hire...and one i think with heavy influence from stern...

walsh hired as gm - check
d'antoni hired as coach - check
#2 pick in the nba draft - almost check

hey, if we get the #2 pick - I'll be too excited to care about much else.

but for now, I'm on misterearl's side. and that is so frightening to me. i never thought i'd see the day when me, misterearl and isles all agreed about something. this is terrifying. next it will rain blood and the rivers will flow backwards.

I just drove up to my house in the country with everything I'll need to survive the Apocalypse.

My agreeing with misterearl and oohah is the not as well known 5th Horseman.
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5/11/2008  9:18 AM
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basketballjones - if D'Antoni turns out to be the second coming of John McLeod, I'm takiin' my Dancin' Harry applejack hat and "hattin' up"

hat's off to you
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5/11/2008  9:31 AM
It's the End of the World as the Knicks Know It

By HARVEY ARATON
Published: May 11, 2008

The sentiment was understandably strong for the slick-passing and smooth-talking Mark Jackson, out of Queens, N.Y., and St. John’s University and Madison Square Garden. But here is what Donnie Walsh, himself of the Bronx, had to be thinking once it was apparent that Mike D’Antoni, late of the Phoenix Suns, was also in play, available for hire as the coach of the Knicks:

Why not get the guy who has been around, and not just around the Midtown block? Time to bring this anachronistic franchise into the new world of professional basketball, the whole wide world that D’Antoni has lived in as much as anyone born into the game in the United States.

Much as they were absent a coach, the Knicks have been lacking a vision. They needed to open themselves up to the way the sport is not only played but administered in more open-minded and successful N.B.A. cities. As the general manager in New York until December 2003, Scott Layden was rooted in a 1980s mentality. As team president, Isiah Thomas never could get his head out of his own hometown, Chicago.

Globalization took root in the N.B.A. years ago, but somehow eluded one of the great melting pots. With the signing of D’Antoni to replace Thomas, Walsh makes a statement that the Knicks will no longer play the paradoxical role of 21st century hicks.

A marginal N.B.A. player after a college career at Marshall, D’Antoni drifted over to Italy, where he became a star guard, an icon in Milan, a boyhood hero of a future prodigy, the gifted son of another American who had drifted overseas. Kobe Bryant always said his first Lakers jersey, No. 8, was worn in tribute to Mike D’Antoni.

Later, D’Antoni became a top coach in the Italian league, twice coach of the year. He had a brief and unsuccessful coaching fling with the Denver Nuggets, returned to Italy, then was hired as an assistant in Phoenix in the fall of 2002.

There was a night that season when D’Antoni, in Denver with the Suns, stepped out for dinner at a sushi restaurant with a Nuggets rookie named Nikoloz Tskitishvili. I was with them, working on a story about the influx of international players, focusing on the Georgian-born Tskitishvili, who had played the previous season for Benetton Treviso, under D’Antoni.

When the subject turned to the evolving basketball world, D’Antoni spoke passionately about how much the American game needed to open up, distance itself from the hand-to-hand combat that too many control-freak coaches had allowed it to become. He marveled about the abilities of the big men overseas to handle and shoot the ball, play outside the paint, open up the court.

He promised that if he ever got another opportunity to be an N.B.A. coach, he would embrace a freewheeling, up-tempo style, not just because it would be an aesthetically pleasing contrast, but because he believed the global effect on the American game was going to re-emphasize athleticism and fundamental skills. D’Antoni soon after delivered on his vow, although not until Thomas was nice enough to take Stephon Marbury off his hands and Steve Nash hit town.

D’Antoni’s Suns blew through the league like a cool desert breeze, even if they never did reach the finals. The unsold critic could retrospectively call them a gimmick made to be exposed in the playoffs. The kinder, gentler one might say that San Antonio, another team with a strong foreign influence that changed stylistically with the times, had Tim Duncan as the difference maker.

In his own defense, D’Antoni could certainly argue that the Suns might well have been the defending champions this season had the league not horrendously suspended his players for leaving the bench in the playoffs last spring after they were baited by the Spurs’ Robert Horry.

However you remember his Suns, whatever system D’Antoni installs in New York, the Knicks won’t be winners until Thomas’s roster is turned over, until better and more coachable players are found. D’Antoni is the latest to hit the Dolan family jackpot, but he will work and suffer and lose aplenty for the extra money Chicago apparently wouldn’t pay him if Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph and the rest of the career underachievers are still in the house.

The heavy lifting around the Garden will first happen in the front office. Maybe Walsh has a job there in mind for Jackson, who played for him in Indiana, whom Walsh was once ready to draft 21 years ago until Reggie Miller was suddenly in his lap, the way D’Antoni materialized last week.

It wouldn’t hurt Walsh to have another savvy New Yorker on his new management team. Better to make his first Knicks hire a basketball man of the world.
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5/11/2008  10:54 AM
Dudes, the "End of the World for the Knicks" is exactly what the doctor ordered. Be Happy.
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5/11/2008  11:19 AM
I like the globalization approach D'Antoni will bring - the most successful teams (Suns, Lakers, Spurs) all have an international flair mixed the the U.S. style - I think if the Knicks can transition to this with a coach who has experience in it we will be set.

To everyone who thinks D'Antoni is a bad choice - remember when Larry Brown was the perfect rebuilding choice? I think this is a good move that will take time to play out. We need to be patient which is hard because of our recent past, but this is the right direction to go in.
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5/11/2008  11:51 AM
Responses to a couple of ideas mentioned earlier: Don't count Q out. A year and a half recovery after major back surgery is not unheard of. As mentioned when he first got the surgery, many doctors said that a full recovery by professional athletes was running over 90%. Getting to work with his favorite coach would seem to be motivation enough to get in the best running shape of his life.

I cannot believe all the negative Nancy's crying about this. What does this say about New Yorkers?

What makes it all different is this: Isiah Thomas has always been a selfish back stabbing prick, who would sell out anyone (except his mama, whom he loves) to cover his own ass. Period. Of course no other coach would do well working with someone who has to be **** of the walk at all costs.

I see this as a long term strategy. Watching LaBron, what coach would be better suited for his game? Find a point, by any means necessary. Then build a team around the inclusion of King James (a couple of really reliable three point shooters, and a solid big), voila. We all know he would love to play here (NY Yankees' cap).

Then I predict a New York Knicks finals appearance in 2012.

I, for one, am a happy camper. (I know I'm not the only one).
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5/11/2008  12:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - the more I consider the Knicks circumstances, the more the selection of D'Antoni bothers me. Why would you want to raise expectations, with a Knicks roster in transition, by hiring a head coach who was spoiled by such uniquely gifted players as the Suns were able to acquire over the past 3 seasons?

If Donnie is a supreme basketball brain, it simply doesn't make sense to restrict decisions to the "name" hire. Beyond Mark Jackson, there is the next wave of bright minds just yearning for an opportunity to find their voice.

Beyond the coaching hire, the Knicks have managed once again to put the cart before the horse, sans a general manager, who will now inherit another person's executive decision.

With regard to the roster, expect a splashy signing to go along with those fries.

sheesh

marbury's expiring will most likely be used now. baron davis anyone?

D'Antoni would kill himself if he had Baron the chucker.
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The Donnie Walsh (Mark Jackson would be perfect) Chronicles

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