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djsunyc
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3/12/2007  6:00 PM
Posted by sebstar:

She has such a self-absorbed vibe that her looks cant back up.

says the guy who calls himself a "star"...
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3/12/2007  6:14 PM
djsu - excellent observation.

You, having been up close and personal more than most, understand that Dolan is perpetually aware of the franchise image. The schedule is indeed a dog with Dallas and Toronto lurking in the shadows for 4 important runs.

with that said, let's jump in the Fast Forward Machine...

Bonn - I think an expiring contract and mid 1st rd pick for is a tad greedy. Anyone who follows these types of transactions, and the expectant college "graduating" class, knows there are too many variables.

The Knicks already have a mid-first. I don't rteally see the need for another.

but that's just me.
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3/12/2007  6:18 PM
Islesfan I've been dying to ask about your signature did babyknicks really say that?
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3/12/2007  6:21 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Islesfan I've been dying to ask about your signature did babyknicks really say that?

Yup. rvhoss is really that stupid.
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3/12/2007  6:23 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
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3/12/2007  6:26 PM
If Isiah can make this acquisition over the summer he will be forever redeemed in my eyes and extremely deserving of his extension.

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3/12/2007  6:28 PM
“What happened today is just going to make me work harder,” said Thomas. “I always want to earn what I get -- and I’ve never been given anything in my life or in my career. I also think have a certain responsibility I owe to the game of basketball. There’s a standard that the Knicks have globally -- we want to make sure that we live up to that standard.”

Bonn - forward
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3/12/2007  6:30 PM
Dolan: "We said he had to solve this crisis," Dolan said, "and he did."

LMAO This franchise is so ****ed with this moron owning it. Enjoy.
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3/12/2007  6:35 PM
Posted by misterearl:

“What happened today is just going to make me work harder,” said Thomas. “I always want to earn what I get -- and I’ve never been given anything in my life or in my career. I also think have a certain responsibility I owe to the game of basketball. There’s a standard that the Knicks have globally -- we want to make sure that we live up to that standard.”

Bonn - forward

Isiah hasn't earned a damn thing since his playing days and he's been given everything on a silver platter because of what he did as a player.

He has no freaking clue about the standards that Knicks fans have for the team. If he did, he wouldn't have come out, after backdooring into the playoffs with 39 wins, and proclaimed "Welcome to the playoffs".

Oh wait, maybe he does have a clue now that he's lowered those standards as low as he has.
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3/12/2007  6:36 PM
I have found this season pretty enjoyable actually. More fun when you aren't shooting spitballs 100% of the time.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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3/12/2007  9:15 PM
good to see mr. dolan retain the services of one isiah thomas
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3/12/2007  10:42 PM
Posted by nixluva:

nyk4ever, I'm sure that somewhere deep inside there's a little inner knick fan jumping up and down with joy. You just have to reach deep inside and let him out. Just repeat "I LOVE MY KNICKS" "I WANT THEM TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS". Go on. Give it a try. Don't be scared.

You'll feel so much better once you open up.

You're totally off man, whether I complain about it or not, I will be happy to watch the Knicks in the playoffs, no matter how they get in, once they get in, I'll be happy to watch more Knick basketball at the end of April.

NOW, that doesn't deter me from thinking that the route this franchise is taking is the wrong one and that the best this team can hope for is just making the playoffs, which leads to 1st round exits at best because of their makeup for years to come.

Don't get it twisted.
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3/13/2007  8:12 AM
Dolan had a blueprint for an extension!
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3/13/2007  8:24 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:

nyk4ever, I'm sure that somewhere deep inside there's a little inner knick fan jumping up and down with joy. You just have to reach deep inside and let him out. Just repeat "I LOVE MY KNICKS" "I WANT THEM TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS". Go on. Give it a try. Don't be scared.

You'll feel so much better once you open up.

You're totally off man, whether I complain about it or not, I will be happy to watch the Knicks in the playoffs, no matter how they get in, once they get in, I'll be happy to watch more Knick basketball at the end of April.

NOW, that doesn't deter me from thinking that the route this franchise is taking is the wrong one and that the best this team can hope for is just making the playoffs, which leads to 1st round exits at best because of their makeup for years to come.

Don't get it twisted.

Well put. I think that's pretty much how most people feel.

Sure, we want the team to win. But at the end of the day, we realize what a mess the franchise has become, with some of the grossest mismanagement in contemporary professional sports.

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3/13/2007  8:37 AM
ErnieCat - would you attend a protest march against gross mismanagement at 2 Penn Plaza?

or do you simply refuse to support mismanagement by not buying any tickets, cable subscriptions to MSG or Knicks merchandise?

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3/13/2007  8:36 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

its cool with me, i just hope isiah is not triggerhapy on signing mediocre players for 30 million for over 6 years

You mean you haven't learned yet? What's it going to take to learn the lesson?
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3/13/2007  10:26 PM
Posted by Ira:

I'm fine with it too. Dolan gave Isaiah the chance to prove himself and he did.

Yeah, but one point is, if he doesn't, then just like everyone else, we're stuck with him. I think Dolan made a really immature-premature decision here. He should have waited for the season to end. Once again, a prime example of not waiting to see the whole picture and making quick, ill advised decisions here. What if they 'don't' make the playoffs' and Dolan made the deal on an impulse move? All of our moves seem to be based on impulse and don't seem very well thought out first. What I mean is, if Dolan signed him, just because the knicks got the 8th spot, then he just took a huge chance on re-signing a guy who has made some pretty bad moves with barely anything to show for it. I mean just how many lessons is it going to take to think hard about what this owner is going to do, when it comes to what was already done? I believe our young guys are going to be anywhere from okay to pretty good, but if your going to surround them with guys like starbury, Jerome, Jeffries, and the few others, then how are they going to develop or get better. You need someone who can lead and show some wins by example, and I don't really see anyone here that can do that, other than maybe Crawford and Lee. Anyway, that's another story. But to sign Zeke to an extension, I think shows how unpredictable this owner is. One year ago, I would have supported Brown and Thomas head and nails. This year, when you look at all' of the management mistakes, the selection process in particular, with Zeke putting starbury and Brown together and causing Dolan to have to buy out Browns contract and starbury not mounting up to really nothing more than a shooting guard, and the purchase of Jeffries who was supposed to come in and upgrade this defense, who also is a cancer on this team, with Jerome James, an obvious overpaid bum, who can't last more than two minutes in a game, making mega millions, when I see a guy like Francis, who would otherwise be a great guard, and was' up until a few seasons ago, but who cannot avoid leg injuries and a few other problems on the moves section of this team, when I see these happening 'consistently' on a regular basis, all of these conflicts and lack of flow in this teams chemistry, then how in the world am I supposed to come on board and tell my self that we're almost there? How in the world can I look at all of the mistakes made, starting from Layden-Dolan combination and say that we are developing? How can I even say that we are going foreward, when year after year after year after year, I see the same kinds of things happening in developing this team?

If Dolan is giving his reasoning for re-signing Zeke to an extension, based on the 'preception' that Zeke has made a clear turnaround, then I must question this also. Realistically, if you really think about what happened with last season and compare it with this season, just how significant of a change has Thomas made here exactly? Can we all agree that this is basically the same exact team as last year, with the exception of Brown being dismissed? Then I must ask 'what exactly, other than the improved win total (so far) is really different about this team? If this same exact team is wiinnig more games this season, than doesn't that raise the question to any of you as why this team did not win just as many last year? If this team, which is the same' team as last year, then what exactly is the real difference, what exactly is the real improvement on this team? I mean, if this is the same exact team, then obviously, they were more than capable of just about as many wins for last year, right? So my question to you's is if having a few more wins than last year is a turnaround year, and we are still 5 games under .500? Then what improvements have we really made here? I mean the only reason (and I want you all to acknowledge this) we are in the 8th spot is because we are in a very, very lousy division! What does that say about us? They are calling it going in the right direction, but if you look closly at it, we are the same team as last year. If anything, Frye has gotten worse, Nate is (for lack of a better word) an attitude problem that could weaken this team. There's two rooks right there who are anywhere from a sore spot to a potential bust! Collins mugging against Denver has to be questoined as to why it happened and does it show something that we don't know about him? We've gotten some gift wins, if you examine it closely and are in a weak division. If we were in another, we woudn't even be close to talking playoffs. I can guarantee you that Dolan would not be extending his contract, and this thread would not exist. So my question to you guys is, with all of these problems and potential busts' (I don't mean potential people), why in the world would Dolan resign a guy who has not shown any improvement on this team? I don't care about the fact that we are presently in the 8th spot. That could dissapear by tomarrow. I don't care what starbury did in 'almost' winning a game for us. Those are small and obvious questions. I want to know why we keep going in the wrong direction on management decision? And this is why I question this move, this signing, obviously based on 'impulse', which is the last thing you want to do. Now in all fairness, and I said this before, I hope to god that Thomas and Dolan prove me completely wrong, because I want more than anything for the Knicks to improve and go onto to do great things. I don't want to just be entertained. I want real improvement and proof that that is happening. But based on what has been happening the last ten years, and the constant questions on this team and many, many of you who have had them over and over again and again, don't lie, I would like you to think about what has been happening and what this signing means. That's really all I can say at this point.

I've said these things before, the last couple of years and on other boards. I know I can't be that wrong or that crazy. And I think many of you have the same questions on your mind also.
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3/13/2007  10:37 PM
Dolan just wants to be right. He's a stubborn jackass who just wants to prove to people that he's right and he makes the right choices. It's pathetic.

Edit: By the way, great post 4949

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-13-2007 10:37 PM]
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2/23/2013  7:25 AM
This thread should be put in a Hall of Fame somewhere. Some great posts in here. Seriously.
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2/23/2013  7:50 AM
4949 wrote:
Posted by Ira:

I'm fine with it too. Dolan gave Isaiah the chance to prove himself and he did.


Yeah, but one point is, if he doesn't, then just like everyone else, we're stuck with him. I think Dolan made a really immature-premature decision here. He should have waited for the season to end. Once again, a prime example of not waiting to see the whole picture and making quick, ill advised decisions here. What if they 'don't' make the playoffs' and Dolan made the deal on an impulse move? All of our moves seem to be based on impulse and don't seem very well thought out first. What I mean is, if Dolan signed him, just because the knicks got the 8th spot, then he just took a huge chance on re-signing a guy who has made some pretty bad moves with barely anything to show for it. I mean just how many lessons is it going to take to think hard about what this owner is going to do, when it comes to what was already done? I believe our young guys are going to be anywhere from okay to pretty good, but if your going to surround them with guys like starbury, Jerome, Jeffries, and the few others, then how are they going to develop or get better. You need someone who can lead and show some wins by example, and I don't really see anyone here that can do that, other than maybe Crawford and Lee. Anyway, that's another story. But to sign Zeke to an extension, I think shows how unpredictable this owner is. One year ago, I would have supported Brown and Thomas head and nails. This year, when you look at all' of the management mistakes, the selection process in particular, with Zeke putting starbury and Brown together and causing Dolan to have to buy out Browns contract and starbury not mounting up to really nothing more than a shooting guard, and the purchase of Jeffries who was supposed to come in and upgrade this defense, who also is a cancer on this team, with Jerome James, an obvious overpaid bum, who can't last more than two minutes in a game, making mega millions, when I see a guy like Francis, who would otherwise be a great guard, and was' up until a few seasons ago, but who cannot avoid leg injuries and a few other problems on the moves section of this team, when I see these happening 'consistently' on a regular basis, all of these conflicts and lack of flow in this teams chemistry, then how in the world am I supposed to come on board and tell my self that we're almost there? How in the world can I look at all of the mistakes made, starting from Layden-Dolan combination and say that we are developing? How can I even say that we are going foreward, when year after year after year after year, I see the same kinds of things happening in developing this team?

If Dolan is giving his reasoning for re-signing Zeke to an extension, based on the 'preception' that Zeke has made a clear turnaround, then I must question this also. Realistically, if you really think about what happened with last season and compare it with this season, just how significant of a change has Thomas made here exactly? Can we all agree that this is basically the same exact team as last year, with the exception of Brown being dismissed? Then I must ask 'what exactly, other than the improved win total (so far) is really different about this team? If this same exact team is wiinnig more games this season, than doesn't that raise the question to any of you as why this team did not win just as many last year? If this team, which is the same' team as last year, then what exactly is the real difference, what exactly is the real improvement on this team? I mean, if this is the same exact team, then obviously, they were more than capable of just about as many wins for last year, right? So my question to you's is if having a few more wins than last year is a turnaround year, and we are still 5 games under .500? Then what improvements have we really made here? I mean the only reason (and I want you all to acknowledge this) we are in the 8th spot is because we are in a very, very lousy division! What does that say about us? They are calling it going in the right direction, but if you look closly at it, we are the same team as last year. If anything, Frye has gotten worse, Nate is (for lack of a better word) an attitude problem that could weaken this team. There's two rooks right there who are anywhere from a sore spot to a potential bust! Collins mugging against Denver has to be questoined as to why it happened and does it show something that we don't know about him? We've gotten some gift wins, if you examine it closely and are in a weak division. If we were in another, we woudn't even be close to talking playoffs. I can guarantee you that Dolan would not be extending his contract, and this thread would not exist. So my question to you guys is, with all of these problems and potential busts' (I don't mean potential people), why in the world would Dolan resign a guy who has not shown any improvement on this team? I don't care about the fact that we are presently in the 8th spot. That could dissapear by tomarrow. I don't care what starbury did in 'almost' winning a game for us. Those are small and obvious questions. I want to know why we keep going in the wrong direction on management decision? And this is why I question this move, this signing, obviously based on 'impulse', which is the last thing you want to do. Now in all fairness, and I said this before, I hope to god that Thomas and Dolan prove me completely wrong, because I want more than anything for the Knicks to improve and go onto to do great things. I don't want to just be entertained. I want real improvement and proof that that is happening. But based on what has been happening the last ten years, and the constant questions on this team and many, many of you who have had them over and over again and again, don't lie, I would like you to think about what has been happening and what this signing means. That's really all I can say at this point.

I've said these things before, the last couple of years and on other boards. I know I can't be that wrong or that crazy. And I think many of you have the same questions on your mind also.


Deja vu, Dolan is still at it. Making dumb impulsive decisions!
isles on suicide watch - Isiah gets extension

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