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2/19/2007  8:09 AM
Now for those who say it's not a choice:


Cheryl Swoopes came out after being married with a child and went for former Houston Comets assistant coach Alisa Scott
some burly man looking woman.

Swoopes, the only WNBA player to win three MVP trophies, said SHE NEVER HAD FEELINGS BEFORE for a woman before Alisa Scott and didn’t UNDERSTAND them when they began.

This is a learned behavior NOT NATURAL.

She worries about her mother Louise, who has known for five years, but “doesn’t think it’s right.”

“She’ll probably never accept it,” Swoopes said. “But she’s dealing with it.”

If you notice Cheryl swoopes had the ability to change , have a child from marriage, divorce her husband and hook up with some assistant coach women.
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2/19/2007  8:15 AM
pt 2

My first love was a man, my high-school sweetheart. Eric Jackson. Though we were a few years apart in age--I was a senior, he was a freshman--I fell for him. Hard. I adored his sense of humor, his family, our shared passion for playing basketball. After I went off to college at Texas Tech and Eric later enrolled there, our connection grew stronger. So on the night in 1994 when Eric dropped down on one Knee at a restaurant and asked "Will you marry me?" as our friends looked on. I couldn't have been more ecstatic. I didn't have a single reservation about marrying him.

Everything about our first year of marriage, from the laughs we shared to the sexual intimacy, was wonderful. We traveled a lot that year when I landed an endorsement contract with Nike, the company that later introduced Air Swoopes, the first sneaker to be named after a woman. But in year two Eric grew weary of the constant traveling. Year three was the beginning of the end. Even amid the joy of welcoming our son. Jordan, into the family in 1997. Eric and I moved in totally different directions, The affection dissipated. The bickering became constant. I was frustrated because I felt that I was handling the lion's share of responsibility in our relationship: caring for our son, dealing with the finances, playing my first season of professional basketball as one of the WNBA's original players. I was miserable. We agreed to a trial separation so Eric and could evaluate our relationship. For my son's sake, thought I should do everything possible to make the marriage work.

We never reconciled. In fact, I found myself relieved to be away from the relationship and the emotional exhaustion it had caused me. As much as I wanted Jordan to have the perfect picture of a mom and dad together forever, I knew I couldn't tolerate a relationship that made me unhappy. A year later I called Eric and told him I wanted a divorce.

I met Alisa Scott in 1998. Even before she arrived to work as assistant coach for my team, the Houston Comets, I overheard a couple of my teammates saying, "You know who's coming to coach here? Alisa Scott--and THEY SAY SHE CAN GET ANY WOMAN SHE WANTS." My teammates and I knew that Alisa was gay. What I didn't know was how MY OWN feelings would surprise me in the following months.

When Alisa arrived, I felt no immediate spark. But as we worked alongside each other on the court every day, I noticed the rush of excitement. Just watching her walk in the door made my heart quicken. At first I dismissed the feelings as a phase. Then we began flirting with each other on the court, and she'd catch me looking at her with eyes that said. "1 want you."

One day after practice Alisa asked me to join her for dinner. was nervous, but I said yes. Over my first taste of Japanese food, we had an amazing conversation, talking nonstop about basketball. When my nerves made me fidgety and clumsy--I dropped a fork and even spilled food in my lap--Alisa put me at ease.

A string of dates followed. Alisa treated me the way I'd always longed to be treated. Each time she asked me out, she handled every detail. She always opened my door, helped me out of the car, pulled out my chair. Perhaps because she sensed I was reluctant in the new territory of a same-sex relationship, she took the lead. Nearly every day I went to her house after basketball practice. I constantly wanted to be in her presence. When we were apart. I'd call just to hear her voice--then I'd sheepishly hang up when she answered. By summer 2001. Alisa and I were in a committed relationship.

I don't call myself bisexual. I enjoyed the sex I had with my ex-husband, yet I can't picture myself ever sleeping with a man again. There's something about being with another woman that makes me feel complete. Because I've been intimate with a man and, now, a woman, I know the difference. Many would say that people are born gay. For me, being gay is a choice. Before and during my marriage, I never once thought of being with a woman.

Somebody got turned out IMHO

Notice how assistant coach Alisa Scott had a rep of getting anyone she wanted...except a MAN !



[Edited by - playa2 on 02-19-2007 08:27]
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2/19/2007  10:37 AM
PLaya,

So your saying that she fell victim to an external stimulus?

What your not reading into the story was how her and Eric grew apart. It was an un-natural union. She was best friends with Eric and tried very hard but they grew apart.

Why?

Then a "lesbian" just walked in and corrupted her?

Here Ms. Swoops has been around lots of lesbians in the sporting world, lots of exposure but it was this one women that rocked her world.

"Alisa" could get any women but she and Sheryl settled together.

Playa, your a full blown homophobe and believe that "Gayness" can spread like a disease.

Its your belief right or wrong, but if your gonna argue about it, then we gonna laugh our asses off how silly your presenting this.

As I said before, I long worried far more about hetero preditors on children and hetero rape than any "alternative lifestyle". My children have been exposed to plenty of lesbian couples who are commited fully and have adopted children and are GREAT PARENTS! I think while complicated they are better off than many divorced families, families with alcoholic or drug dependent parents, parents who are not faithful to their partners, and domestic violence.

Are their deviant gay people? Sure they are. why? Cuz they are people and we are all flawed in some way. But to say that the majority of gay people want to force their will on others like some "born again" zelot is kinda of silly.

We have our opinions respectivly.
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2/19/2007  10:59 AM
This is a learned behavior NOT NATURAL.

Playa, I guess with enough coaxing and "stimulus" you might find yourself in bed with a dude?

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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2/19/2007  11:44 AM
Tim Hardaway is gay
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2/19/2007  12:10 PM
Posted by oohah:
This is a learned behavior NOT NATURAL.

Playa, I guess with enough coaxing and "stimulus" you might find yourself in bed with a dude?

oohah

Obviously I have to break this down a little bit. good convo


If you read her situation, she was emotionally unstable, her and the hubby weren't getting along in marriage(she traveling all the time) and the pressure was on her to provide and she needed someone to cry a river too or to get somone who understood her as a woman.

Here comes the lesbian pimp. LOL

If you understand confused people are easily persuaded when approached the right way. I thought you guys knew this already.

Why do you think runaways get turned out and become full blown prostitutes.

They are desperate needing someone to listen to them and a little provision wouldn't hurt.

Cheryl sounds like she was in a situation where she needed an excuse .

She could have stayed single and dated other men, but she was turned out by a perverted coach who you as a player learned to listen too and respectand trust. She obviously took advantage of her situation and made it happen(I guess turning out a 3time mvp) would be a BIG NOTCH IN HER BELT HUH?

Not worried about myself being turned out, I'm happily married 10 yrs not confused on who I am and where i'm going, not emotionally vunerable to an acquaintance of the same sex to turn me out LOL.

I don't believe there has been one person here outside of Isles(lol) who said they hated homosexuals.

Tolerance is not an issue either , the issue is this.

Both amachei and swoopes used the media to promote their perversion while getting exposure for their own financial gain.


Cheryl Swoopes Receiced compensation for coming out . The story was first reported in ESPN the Magazine, which hit newsstands on the same day she announced an endorsement deal with Olivia, a lesbian cruise line.

Amachei came out to promote his book for dollars on the most highlighted week of the NBA all-star week which included Valentines day. smooch smooch







[Edited by - playa2 on 02-19-2007 12:13]
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2/19/2007  12:14 PM
So you are saying it is impossible for you to learn this behavior? It's really not a question that needs a long reply. It's pretty much yes or no.

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2/19/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by oohah:

So you are saying it is impossible for you to learn this behavior? It's really not a question that needs a long reply. It's pretty much yes or no.

oohah

It's a learned behavior that results from poor parenting. That is, until your child becomes gay. Ask Dick Chaney.
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2/19/2007  12:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:

So you are saying it is impossible for you to learn this behavior? It's really not a question that needs a long reply. It's pretty much yes or no.

oohah

It's a learned behavior that results from poor parenting. That is, until your child becomes gay. Ask Dick Chaney.

Aren't you a psych guy???
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2/19/2007  12:44 PM
I've taken a whole number of psych classes now and I not once heard it being correlated to poor parenting. I am just gonna assume you're joking around.

One would think that it's common sense that being gay is natural and something you can't choose. Playa, when you look at a girl and are attracted to her and/or have feelings for her, is this something you can help? It MUST be the same thing with guys liking guys and girls liking girls. It's just the way the hormones are set up.
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2/19/2007  12:44 PM
? I was being sarcastic with the first sentence
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2/19/2007  6:32 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I've taken a whole number of psych classes now and I not once heard it being correlated to poor parenting. I am just gonna assume you're joking around.

One would think that it's common sense that being gay is natural and something you can't choose. Playa, when you look at a girl and are attracted to her and/or have feelings for her, is this something you can help? It MUST be the same thing with guys liking guys and girls liking girls. It's just the way the hormones are set up.

Allanfan feelings is not something you have to carry out, guys and girls is natural..but when a gay person feels that way about the same sex why do they feel ashame and a girl and guy doesn't ??





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2/19/2007  6:35 PM
Posted by oohah:

So you are saying it is impossible for you to learn this behavior? It's really not a question that needs a long reply. It's pretty much yes or no.

oohah

nothing is impossible to learn any behavior. what kind of question is that?

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2/19/2007  6:42 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I've taken a whole number of psych classes now and I not once heard it being correlated to poor parenting. I am just gonna assume you're joking around.

One would think that it's common sense that being gay is natural and something you can't choose. Playa, when you look at a girl and are attracted to her and/or have feelings for her, is this something you can help? It MUST be the same thing with guys liking guys and girls liking girls. It's just the way the hormones are set up.

Did you not read cheryl swoopes quote about being married and all on thread page7?

Nobody dared to explain her CHOOSING her homosexual lifestyle.





[Edited by - playa2 on 02-19-2007 19:18]
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2/19/2007  7:19 PM
Bonn here ya go

Psychologists often trace one's sexual orientation to early child-hood experiences, noting that homosexual persons frequently come from families in which one parent is conspicuously absent, uncaring, or abusive. While there is undoubtedly much to appreciate about this approach it is important to realize that we are not merely products of our environment. Though we may have unique struggles or successes in part because of the way we have been raised, environment is no more determinative than physiology. It is best to assume an eclectic approach and to say that people become homosexual (or heterosexual) through complex processes that involve biological, environmental, and volitional factors. Some persons may enter life with a certain amount of "baggage," while others may pick it up through early childhood experiences. Others may be profoundly affected by things that happen later in life, or they may be simply experiencing the consequences of their own choices. Whatever influences may contribute to one's homosexual desires, the decision to act on those desires is clearly one's own. Since the Bible does not forbid temptation--only action--personal responsibility remains absolutely critical. That brings us back to the biblical standard.

Masculinity and femininity are to be expressed in relationships between men and women, and homosexuality is improper in part because it seeks wholeness apart from the complementary responsibilities of men and women in the image of God.People who are caught up in a lifestyle of homosexuality can find both forgiveness and transformation in Jesus Christ
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2/19/2007  7:39 PM
Posted by playa2:

Bonn here ya go

Psychologists often trace one's sexual orientation to early child-hood experiences, noting that homosexual persons frequently come from families in which one parent is conspicuously absent, uncaring, or abusive. While there is undoubtedly much to appreciate about this approach it is important to realize that we are not merely products of our environment. Though we may have unique struggles or successes in part because of the way we have been raised, environment is no more determinative than physiology. It is best to assume an eclectic approach and to say that people become homosexual (or heterosexual) through complex processes that involve biological, environmental, and volitional factors. Some persons may enter life with a certain amount of "baggage," while others may pick it up through early childhood experiences. Others may be profoundly affected by things that happen later in life, or they may be simply experiencing the consequences of their own choices. Whatever influences may contribute to one's homosexual desires, the decision to act on those desires is clearly one's own. Since the Bible does not forbid temptation--only action--personal responsibility remains absolutely critical. That brings us back to the biblical standard.

Masculinity and femininity are to be expressed in relationships between men and women, and homosexuality is improper in part because it seeks wholeness apart from the complementary responsibilities of men and women in the image of God.People who are caught up in a lifestyle of homosexuality can find both forgiveness and transformation in Jesus Christ
You're in the group of people who take the Bible as the final authority on how one must live one's life. I view science as the final authority and don't give much weight to statements from the Bible without concrete empirical support. We likely come to different conclusions on many social issues. It's great that we can have different views and express and respect them here. Cheers.
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Before the topic dies I just want to add. The thing about christians, and a lot of them trying to push & force christianity on others is more due to the fact that they/we believe in saving souls. We believe that you can lock up your spot in heaven by repenting, asking to be saved, and trying to live a rightious life. Yes there are hypocrites and christians that act like no other view is right other than theres. But don't tune out the message because of that. Say a man smokes cigerettes, and he tells his son who is of age to buy cigerettes not to smoke because it can cause cancer. Yes that man is being a hypocrite because he is smoking himself. But that doesn't make the message wrong either. Christians may come off a certain way to others. But the intention is almost allways pure. They are trying to get you into heaven to live eternal happiness.

Like many say its not about religion its more about spirituality. Grow your spirit to become closer to God.

We're way, way off topic here. Now we're talking about God? Does anyone have a choice not' to pay attention to something, a people who keep pushing the topic on everyone?

I'll say one thing about this homosexual thing. I don't know how many of you know this, but did you know that each and everyone of us are a female, during pregnancy and that if you are born male, basically you are an un-developed female?! That is a fact! It is the female who produces us all, who makes the male to reproduce. What does this mea in this case. Maybe Dave is somewhere in the middle of it and is having trouble dealing with it, because society has a problem with it, maybe a problem facing such facts, because of the so called religions like Chrisianity. Now I don't want to start a war of religion here, but maybe it needs to all be thought of in a different perspective. Enough of this!
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2/19/2007  10:00 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by oohah:

So you are saying it is impossible for you to learn this behavior? It's really not a question that needs a long reply. It's pretty much yes or no.

oohah

nothing is impossible to learn any behavior. what kind of question is that?

Then I suppose you could "learn" to be gay too?

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2/20/2007  6:43 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by oohah:

So you are saying it is impossible for you to learn this behavior? It's really not a question that needs a long reply. It's pretty much yes or no.

oohah



nothing is impossible to learn any behavior. what kind of question is that?

Then I suppose you could "learn" to be gay too?

oohah


You mean like Cheryl Swoopes chose to be a homosexual and initiate contact with a very well known seducer(Alisa Scott was known to get any women she wanted), naw I don't have the desire or feel the need to be intimate with the same sex. My wife fulfills my sexual needs well.
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You mean like Cheryl Swoopes chose to be a homosexual and initiate contact with a very well known seducer(Alisa Scott was known to get any women she wanted), naw I don't have the desire or feel the need to be intimate with the same sex. My wife fulfills my sexual needs well.

Let me just spit it out. Nobody can be "seduced" or learn the behavior to be gay unless they already have those tendencies (Except maybe in jail...).

The way you have been putting it, it's as if being gay is like chocolate cake or something, it's so hard to resist that it is "tempting".

If you don't have the urge, nobody is going to tempt you into being gay. If it wasn't Alisa Scott, it would be some other chick who bagged Cheryl Swoopes.

So you see how you feel immune to the temptation because you have a wife for ten years? Everybody else who isn't gay is immune too.

Or if your sexual needs weren't being fulfilled so well for 10 years, maybe you could be tempted? Sounds silly doesn't it?

oohah

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