Posted by joec32033:

He has absolutely no leeway to act like he accomplshed anything here-He was FORCED to coach a basketball team the HE built because he doesn't want to!

So its not the way he acts, its because he hasnt won? I hear ya. Let me setup a hypothetical. Say for example we are playing the NJ Nets. Lets say our rookie PG, I dunno, Frank Williams, goes down trying to defend Jason Kidd and on his way up Jason Kidd gets in his face and says something that clearly upsets Frank Williams. Now lets say Tim Thomas (complete bum) gets in Jason face and tells him to take his wife beating ass back to the NJ side of the court, would you tell TT to stfu cause he hasnt won anything?

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by joec32033:

He has absolutely no leeway to act like he accomplshed anything here-He was FORCED to coach a basketball team the HE built because he doesn't want to!

So its not the way he acts, its because he hasnt won? I hear ya. Let me setup a hypothetical. Say for example we are playing the NJ Nets. Lets say our rookie PG, I dunno, Frank Williams, goes down trying to defend Jason Kidd and on his way up Jason Kidd gets in his face and says something that clearly upsets Frank Williams. Now lets say Tim Thomas (complete bum) gets in Jason face and tells him to take his wife beating ass back to the NJ side of the court, would you tell TT to stfu cause he hasnt won anything?

I would tell Tim Thomas to insult Kidd by scoring 40 and winning the ****ing game. Words mean nothing to me, only actions. Anyone can come up with tough words, even ****ies. You want to prove something, don't say it. Do it.

Besides, what does calling Kidd a wife-beater accomplish? It gets him mad so he can drop 30 dimes? Why give him the extra motivation?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-19-2006 8:52 PM]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-19-2006 8:54 PM]

I'll answer that for you silver, this is a Isiah Thomas agenda. ANY negative Isiah press,he's all over.

It has nothing to do with what he has done as a GM (ignoring the roster turnover in less than 3 years) it has nothing to do with him as a player (though, I could see hating him for keeping the knicks out of the championship).

It's some whacky islefat-esque Isiah Hatin'.

Even when we are winning, he'll be hatin isiah.

Posted by joec32033:

I would tell Tim Thomas to insult Kidd by scoring 40 and winning the ****ing game. Words mean nothing to me, only actions. Anyone can come up with tough words, even ****ies. You want to prove something, don't say it. Do it.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-19-2006 8:52 PM]

Oh, I agree. Dropping 40 points on the Nets would be ideal but that does that mean they should be pushed and not respond if they cant score 40 points?

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by joec32033:

I would tell Tim Thomas to insult Kidd by scoring 40 and winning the ****ing game. Words mean nothing to me, only actions. Anyone can come up with tough words, even ****ies. You want to prove something, don't say it. Do it.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-19-2006 8:52 PM]

Oh, I agree. Dropping 40 points on the Nets would be ideal but that does that mean they should be pushed and not respond if they cant score 40 points?

Give a hard foul back and be done with it. Once again no talk, only action. They'll get the message.

but I've said this before, the hater threads are beginning to be consolodated and the titles are getting more and more openly obvious hater titles.

It's like, they sense there is something on the horizon, success, and they can't bear the thought of isiah taking any credit for the depth of the team or the bright future of our youth.

So, they ring the alarm...louder and louder and louder.

Did you see that thread about Isiah having no Class, and then had the quote completely wrong.

It's like this..

Google Isiah and Hate...oh, here is something from 20 years ago, I'm gonna post it on the knick forum because I'm sure nobody over there has even heard about this.

When I google, I google knicks.

I like that you guys have a right to keep on hatin, and you are doing us a service by consolidating the hate into a few threads.

Join the likes of fish, islesfat and others putting basketball in their threads and some pretty solid facts behind their hate.

But come on man...snap out of it. The knicks are good and they are good because the GM put together a solid deep roster.

Love it...live it. The knicks. Mine and Yours.

Posted by tapseer:

Let me get something straight about myself as a poster here. I like this team. I like the players we have and the NEW direction we appear to be heading here. That being said, a lot of you guys don't appear ready to let this team show what it can do. There is a ton of talent on this team. LB was given the task to take this team somewhere, but he was more interested in other things rather than getting the most out of this team. So now we have the doubters and critics (well deserved of course. This team hasn't done anything) jumping on the team all the time. The GM/Coach stands up for team and the real fans get mad at him for standing up. Can't you guys see how wrong that is???

He was not standing up for his player, he was standing up for himself. I posted my evidence.

"[Greg Anthony] had the audacity to take me to task".

Make no mistake, this is what it comes down to. Protecting one of his players has nothing to do with it. Protecting his ego has everything to do with it.

Notice it wasn't "[GA] had the audacity to question whether Balkman was a 1st round talent".

It was, "he had the audacity to take ME to task".

It was, "Greg Anthony should never, ever be in a position to question myself on anything about basketball".

It was, GA was nothing compared to me as a player so he can't judge me.

Forget about Balkman, it's just about Isiah's HUGE bruised ego.

so he shouldnt respond if his ego is bruised?

I might just be repeating what was already said but I'll make it brief. It wasn't the message that was the problem - it was the delivery. That's all I'll say.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Silverfuel:

that was objective joe. one can argue he was shielding the player by taking the insult personal.

So Isiah is falling on the sword while complaining about it the whole time? Does that not put more pressure on Balkman to perform to prove Isiah right?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-19-2006 9:05 PM]

who knows what it does. zeke responded cause he felt him or his pick was insulted.