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7/7/2006  12:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.


that's b/c steph/isiah suck and lb doesn't but that's just my opinion...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-07-2006 10:17 AM]

Then allow me to retort. Sir your opinion sucks, and you are a dookyhead!
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.

No...SAS has been all over both of these guys. SAS placed alot of blame on the players and some blame on Larry. That's just his POV. He also did call out Thomas, and the next day he had him on the show-I think it was the tuesday after Larry was fired. You can get the interview at http://www.espnradio.com.

With all due respect to SAS, he has been wrong about them ally year long. He knows 76ers basketball. If he really was playing attention, he would have known that Frye complained as early back in December 2005 about not knowing his role. Lee made similar comments in November. I stated this sometime ago, when many posters including mods were saying that the only ones complaining were Marbury and Ariza. I find it funny that now Frye and Lee don't have any class because they are speaking their mind. I even saw when a poster said they should say no comment. Good grief. Its like asking someone in Iraq what they thoguht about Saddam 4 years ago and going back asking them that same question today. Somehow I don't think you will get a no comment.
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7/7/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.

No...SAS has been all over both of these guys. SAS placed alot of blame on the players and some blame on Larry. That's just his POV. He also did call out Thomas, and the next day he had him on the show-I think it was the tuesday after Larry was fired. You can get the interview at http://www.espnradio.com.

With all due respect to SAS, he has been wrong about them ally year long. He knows 76ers basketball. If he really was playing attention, he would have known that Frye complained as early back in December 2005 about not knowing his role. Lee made similar comments in November. I stated this sometime ago, when many posters including mods were saying that the only ones complaining were Marbury and Ariza. I find it funny that now Frye and Lee don't have any class because they are speaking their mind. I even saw when a poster said they should say no comment. Good grief. Its like asking someone in Iraq what they thoguht about Saddam 4 years ago and going back asking them that same question today. Somehow I don't think you will get a no comment.

Actually you have sort of proved the opposite point you are not trying to make. This shows that there is at least a 50-50 possibility that Steph IS looked at as the leader of this team and his attitude did fliter down to the "lesser" players. Once again, I am not saying anything but I don't, and I really don't know how anyone else does, actually believe anything that is said by either party. Neither are a reliable source of info in this matter-Players, management, coaches, or Larry Brown alike.
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7/7/2006  12:47 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.


that's b/c steph/isiah suck and lb doesn't but that's just my opinion...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-07-2006 10:17 AM]

Then allow me to retort. Sir your opinion sucks, and you are a dookyhead!
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7/7/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.

No...SAS has been all over both of these guys. SAS placed alot of blame on the players and some blame on Larry. That's just his POV. He also did call out Thomas, and the next day he had him on the show-I think it was the tuesday after Larry was fired. You can get the interview at http://www.espnradio.com.

With all due respect to SAS, he has been wrong about them ally year long. He knows 76ers basketball. If he really was playing attention, he would have known that Frye complained as early back in December 2005 about not knowing his role. Lee made similar comments in November. I stated this sometime ago, when many posters including mods were saying that the only ones complaining were Marbury and Ariza. I find it funny that now Frye and Lee don't have any class because they are speaking their mind. I even saw when a poster said they should say no comment. Good grief. Its like asking someone in Iraq what they thoguht about Saddam 4 years ago and going back asking them that same question today. Somehow I don't think you will get a no comment.
Yeah, i remember that as well. When they thought Frye was saying something negative about Steph early in the season, guys were all over it. now that Frye and Lee (Nate has no real credibility) say something negative about their beloved LB, these guys are classless?! No matter what happens, who says it, how many say it, they will not accept it. Brown said himself he wanted Steve Francis and they don't accept that. I actually love it tho, it feels so good to hear people twist and contort and deny, in order to hold onto their premise.

One last contradiction, there were many here saying that "you are what you record says you are." Now that Isiah is the coach, they have some funny math that says, well if they were supposed to win 37 last year, significant progress is 10 games, so Isiah must win 47 games plus make it to the playoffs. LOL! But if they are not in the top10 in oppfg%, then it is not progress because then they are just winning empty games. Kind of like Steph's empty 8 apg. These are the same folks who repeated Brown's mantra about our roster being so flawed, and how we don't have a 'true' pg. Even with hard numbers they have some magical equations to interpret them in a LB favorable way. Its like arguing with a religous zealot.
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7/7/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

With all due respect to SAS, he has been wrong about them ally year long. He knows 76ers basketball. If he really was playing attention, he would have known that Frye complained as early back in December 2005 about not knowing his role. Lee made similar comments in November. I stated this sometime ago, when many posters including mods were saying that the only ones complaining were Marbury and Ariza. I find it funny that now Frye and Lee don't have any class because they are speaking their mind. I even saw when a poster said they should say no comment. Good grief. Its like asking someone in Iraq what they thoguht about Saddam 4 years ago and going back asking them that same question today. Somehow I don't think you will get a no comment.

who said Frye & Lee had no class by speaking out?... the only thing i was pointing to was that LB's methods are not catered to guys liking him... anyone is free to question his methods, but there's really no arguing the results he's proven to get over his career... the only problem i have w/rookies speaking out on a HOF coach is that they really haven't done anything in this league to warrant having an opinion on the matter to voice in the first place... that's just the old school approach to it, i guess... i don't imagine for a second they'd have the balls to say the things they said if there were veteran leaders on this team that bought into LB's coaching methods & were in his corner... that was my only point on the matter.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-07-2006 2:10 PM]
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7/7/2006  2:13 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.

No...SAS has been all over both of these guys. SAS placed alot of blame on the players and some blame on Larry. That's just his POV. He also did call out Thomas, and the next day he had him on the show-I think it was the tuesday after Larry was fired. You can get the interview at http://www.espnradio.com.

With all due respect to SAS, he has been wrong about them ally year long. He knows 76ers basketball. If he really was playing attention, he would have known that Frye complained as early back in December 2005 about not knowing his role. Lee made similar comments in November. I stated this sometime ago, when many posters including mods were saying that the only ones complaining were Marbury and Ariza. I find it funny that now Frye and Lee don't have any class because they are speaking their mind. I even saw when a poster said they should say no comment. Good grief. Its like asking someone in Iraq what they thoguht about Saddam 4 years ago and going back asking them that same question today. Somehow I don't think you will get a no comment.
Yeah, i remember that as well. When they thought Frye was saying something negative about Steph early in the season, guys were all over it. now that Frye and Lee (Nate has no real credibility) say something negative about their beloved LB, these guys are classless?! No matter what happens, who says it, how many say it, they will not accept it. Brown said himself he wanted Steve Francis and they don't accept that. I actually love it tho, it feels so good to hear people twist and contort and deny, in order to hold onto their premise.

One last contradiction, there were many here saying that "you are what you record says you are." Now that Isiah is the coach, they have some funny math that says, well if they were supposed to win 37 last year, significant progress is 10 games, so Isiah must win 47 games plus make it to the playoffs. LOL! But if they are not in the top10 in oppfg%, then it is not progress because then they are just winning empty games. Kind of like Steph's empty 8 apg. These are the same folks who repeated Brown's mantra about our roster being so flawed, and how we don't have a 'true' pg. Even with hard numbers they have some magical equations to interpret them in a LB favorable way. Its like arguing with a religous zealot.

marbury's 8 assists are empty. 33 wins in his best statistical season. so much for making others around you better.

big picture killa: isiah was hired 2 1/2 years ago. the team he inherited won 37 games the sesaon before with a payroll in the $80 mil range. 2 1/2 seasons later, 2 coaches fired, payroll in excess of $120 mil...37 wins ain't gonna cut it. all of these players are isiah's. all of the coaches were isiah's. look at what we're talking about - .500. that's what this team is reduced to. AWESOME.
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7/7/2006  2:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:



big picture killa: isiah was hired 2 1/2 years ago. the team he inherited won 37 games the sesaon before with a payroll in the $80 mil range. 2 1/2 seasons later, 2 coaches fired, payroll in excess of $120 mil...37 wins ain't gonna cut it. all of these players are isiah's. all of the coaches were isiah's. look at what we're talking about - .500. that's what this team is reduced to. AWESOME.

You mean you want more then a .500 record DJ? What are you nuts!

I hate what has happened to this team. I really do.
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Yeah, i remember that as well. When they thought Frye was saying something negative about Steph early in the season, guys were all over it. now that Frye and Lee (Nate has no real credibility) say something negative about their beloved LB, these guys are classless?! No matter what happens, who says it, how many say it, they will not accept it. Brown said himself he wanted Steve Francis and they don't accept that. I actually love it tho, it feels so good to hear people twist and contort and deny, in order to hold onto their premise.
Does it feel just as good as doing it, Killa, basing your answer on your experience, of course?




One last contradiction, there were many here saying that "you are what you record says you are." Now that Isiah is the coach, they have some funny math that says, well if they were supposed to win 37 last year, significant progress is 10 games, so Isiah must win 47 games plus make it to the playoffs. LOL! But if they are not in the top10 in oppfg%, then it is not progress because then they are just winning empty games. Kind of like Steph's empty 8 apg. These are the same folks who repeated Brown's mantra about our roster being so flawed, and how we don't have a 'true' pg. Even with hard numbers they have some magical equations to interpret them in a LB favorable way. Its like arguing with a religous zealot.

You can average 8 empty assists the same ay Shareef Abdur Rahim can average 20 empty points. It is possible. All assists do not make your teammates better.

I for one have never said "you are what your record says you are"-I actually think we are alot better, and if the players want to blame all the problems on Larry fine-but they better not underperform this year now that the problem is supposedly gone. No more excuses.
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7/7/2006  2:19 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

If its anti-Larry it must be staged. If its anti-Steph/Isiah its from the heart.

No...SAS has been all over both of these guys. SAS placed alot of blame on the players and some blame on Larry. That's just his POV. He also did call out Thomas, and the next day he had him on the show-I think it was the tuesday after Larry was fired. You can get the interview at http://www.espnradio.com.

With all due respect to SAS, he has been wrong about them ally year long. He knows 76ers basketball. If he really was playing attention, he would have known that Frye complained as early back in December 2005 about not knowing his role. Lee made similar comments in November. I stated this sometime ago, when many posters including mods were saying that the only ones complaining were Marbury and Ariza. I find it funny that now Frye and Lee don't have any class because they are speaking their mind. I even saw when a poster said they should say no comment. Good grief. Its like asking someone in Iraq what they thoguht about Saddam 4 years ago and going back asking them that same question today. Somehow I don't think you will get a no comment.
Yeah, i remember that as well. When they thought Frye was saying something negative about Steph early in the season, guys were all over it. now that Frye and Lee (Nate has no real credibility) say something negative about their beloved LB, these guys are classless?! No matter what happens, who says it, how many say it, they will not accept it. Brown said himself he wanted Steve Francis and they don't accept that. I actually love it tho, it feels so good to hear people twist and contort and deny, in order to hold onto their premise.

One last contradiction, there were many here saying that "you are what you record says you are." Now that Isiah is the coach, they have some funny math that says, well if they were supposed to win 37 last year, significant progress is 10 games, so Isiah must win 47 games plus make it to the playoffs. LOL! But if they are not in the top10 in oppfg%, then it is not progress because then they are just winning empty games. Kind of like Steph's empty 8 apg. These are the same folks who repeated Brown's mantra about our roster being so flawed, and how we don't have a 'true' pg. Even with hard numbers they have some magical equations to interpret them in a LB favorable way. Its like arguing with a religous zealot.


Some here have done that. But, the LB detractors are no less. Not only did LB throw the season but he tricked his family into moving to New York and buying a house. Scoundrel.
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marbury's 8 assists are empty. 33 wins in his best statistical season. so much for making others around you better.

big picture killa: isiah was hired 2 1/2 years ago. the team he inherited won 37 games the sesaon before with a payroll in the $80 mil range. 2 1/2 seasons later, 2 coaches fired, payroll in excess of $120 mil...37 wins ain't gonna cut it. all of these players are isiah's. all of the coaches were isiah's. look at what we're talking about - .500. that's what this team is reduced to. AWESOME.

DJ, I think you are missing the point. The team won 23 games last year, now you want them to be a better than .500 team, just because Isiah is coaching the players he restocked the team with and they have a high payroll? It doesn't make sense! You don't go from 0MPH to 100MPH without a period of acceleration no matter what the conditions are!

I have a question for you: What record would have made you happy if LB were still coaching? A direct answer please.

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I think LB was capable of 83 wins this year.


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Posted by codeunknown:

I think LB was capable of 83 wins this year.

Including the playoffs, right?
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think LB was capable of 83 wins this year.

Including the playoffs, right?

Sure, why not.

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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think LB was capable of 83 wins this year.

Including the playoffs, right?

82-0 record, plus all-star game coaching victory with 5 Knicks starters?
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by codeunknown:

I think LB was capable of 83 wins this year.

Including the playoffs, right?

82-0 record, plus all-star game coaching victory with 5 Knicks starters?

Sounds about right. BEAT THAT ISIAH!
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82-0 record, plus all-star game coaching victory with 5 Knicks starters?
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Wins don't matter to me. I just hate the fact that Lb's screwing his family over like that.
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Posted by djsunyc:


marbury's 8 assists are empty. 33 wins in his best statistical season. so much for making others around you better.

big picture killa: isiah was hired 2 1/2 years ago. the team he inherited won 37 games the sesaon before with a payroll in the $80 mil range. 2 1/2 seasons later, 2 coaches fired, payroll in excess of $120 mil...37 wins ain't gonna cut it. all of these players are isiah's. all of the coaches were isiah's. look at what we're talking about - .500. that's what this team is reduced to. AWESOME.

Yeah, you have addressed nonoe of my points, except the shocker that Marrb's 8apg were empty.
Here is a question I can never get an answer to from any of LB's concubines:
If LB were here, what win total would cut it?

None of you can answer this, because a) you dont want your double standard to be exposed and 2) you think there is something more magical about LB's wins than Zekes. If we win 45 games with Zeke, you will call those empty wins and find some other nonsensical way to discredit him and our teams progress. No one had mandate for LB above .500, but in Zekes one year, he must make the playoffs and be above .500? All i ask for is what I can never get from you guys, consistancy. An equal standard.

Its no different than how Briggs didn't like Frye and said time and time again that Frye has to average 14 and 7 in order for drafting him to make any sense. I root for the Knicks, not LB, Steph or Isiah. Apparently, LB is the only coach who knows how to win.
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Posted by joec32033:
Yeah, i remember that as well. When they thought Frye was saying something negative about Steph early in the season, guys were all over it. now that Frye and Lee (Nate has no real credibility) say something negative about their beloved LB, these guys are classless?! No matter what happens, who says it, how many say it, they will not accept it. Brown said himself he wanted Steve Francis and they don't accept that. I actually love it tho, it feels so good to hear people twist and contort and deny, in order to hold onto their premise.
Does it feel just as good as doing it, Killa, basing your answer on your experience, of course?




One last contradiction, there were many here saying that "you are what you record says you are." Now that Isiah is the coach, they have some funny math that says, well if they were supposed to win 37 last year, significant progress is 10 games, so Isiah must win 47 games plus make it to the playoffs. LOL! But if they are not in the top10 in oppfg%, then it is not progress because then they are just winning empty games. Kind of like Steph's empty 8 apg. These are the same folks who repeated Brown's mantra about our roster being so flawed, and how we don't have a 'true' pg. Even with hard numbers they have some magical equations to interpret them in a LB favorable way. Its like arguing with a religous zealot.

You can average 8 empty assists the same ay Shareef Abdur Rahim can average 20 empty points. It is possible. All assists do not make your teammates better.

I for one have never said "you are what your record says you are"-I actually think we are alot better, and if the players want to blame all the problems on Larry fine-but they better not underperform this year now that the problem is supposedly gone. No more excuses.

That comment wasn't directed at you. I don't want any more excuses either, but I think LB was a legitimate excuse. he was a saboteaur. I expect the difference between this season and last to be dramatic.
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I set the bar at 4 wins, 2 on the road. And 1 of our players has to compete in 2-ball at the all-star break. And Jerome James has to walk to Brooklyn and fetch me a glass of authentic Cambodian breast milk.
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