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holfresh
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5/15/2006  12:56 AM


Those players in Charlotte and Sacramento must be shaking in their collective boots right now...
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5/15/2006  1:04 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bippity10:

holfresh: Do you honestly think I run from you for any reason. These websites aren't that important. I have a kid and a wife and spent a nice time in Cape Cod this weekend. Didn't hear the news until a few minutes ago. My question is why would anyone be afraid to come on this site for any reason? Who has that low self-esteem?

Bonn: You've been posting with me for a looooooooooooooooooong time. YOu have heard me preach the same things for at least 3 years now. And yet you still target me when a coach is fired thinking that that coach is my "favorite". Every year it's the same thing. Every year I say "bonn you are better than that". Now I'm starting to think I give you too much credit



Bip I know you won't run from me or anyone for that matter..I just couldnt resist taking a shot across your bow..Much as you were a fierce defender of Larry and want to see some continuity, LB was not the guy for the job for a few reasons..First, he wasn't here for the long haul, Larry would have been here for two maybe three years max...Second, Larry wanted total control..It is almost safe to say if this goes through, tha the organization thought Larry sabotarged the season and didn't do all he can to win games for this organization...Third, he wanted to work with vets and after he is gone, what would we do then...We need to build with youth...He may have been the only one with a track record here but he was up to his own devices..Many here didn't mind turning a blind eye to it because they though Larry would have put them on better footing, more so than anyone else in the organization...They sold their souls for a chance to win with Larry...He was a bad seed and had to go..He used his 5 yr deal to wield power and he lost...No tears necessary for the cat..He's not a good guy...He's like a boat, it's looks great before you buy it and can't wait to get rid of it when you own it....

I like the direction that Zeke took with youth and athleticism...He needs help thought..he can't do it alone...I would love to see him coach this team and implement his vision...Maybe he can get some help in the GM position and build something from there..I'm not saying it's the perfect situation, but it will be better now that Brown isn't holding this organization hostage...Another year with
him, it would have been more of the same until he gets what he wants...And that's BS...So, Bip lets all hope that this will finally leads us into a situation where we can build something and win a few games...

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-15-2006 12:15 AM]

Hmmmm.

Its been my fear as well with Larry Brown when we first hired him. That we would trade for vets so Larry Brown could win now since he isn't a young coach that will be coaching in this league for yrs to come.

And if you look at what has happend this season it makes sense. He doesn't believe in his roster. Publicly bashes the roster to why we are failing. Though he doesn't really seem to put anyone in position of strength. He then forces Isiah to make the moves for veterans that he wants. Isiah then does so and Larry then decideds to put his heart into it. Has that stuff not happend with Larry Brown before??? im pretty sure ive read him do something like that in the past.

Larry Brown trying to pull a manipulation act and make everyone blame the players and use his past success to drive that. Even if the players took it and succeed under him he would have still looked to trade the ones he wanted out. The problem now is Dolan couldn't stand the public trashing of the roster which may make his plan fall short.

A nice little theory there, that makes sense. Im not going to act like its a fact even though it makes a TON of sense. And even if its all true. Larry Brown has been successful with it in the past. So I can't blame him. It would be bad that players would have to take the heat even though Larry Brown didn't have his heart in it because they weren't his players. But if it were to have brought Knicks success then the feelings of the players really don't mean nothing to me. We should continue with Larry Brown's plan and do it his way. Its the only proven option we have.
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5/15/2006  8:17 AM
I have about had it with this team now. To keep Marbury over LB is a slap in the face to every fan. Marbury over LB!! Come on now. This team has no defensive inclination whatso ever.

The best thing that will come with this is that after IT fails coaching, at least he will be gone then too.

DOLAN NEEDS TO SELL THIS FRANCHISE NOW. STERN FORCE HIS HAND!
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5/15/2006  9:40 AM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

I have about had it with this team now. To keep Marbury over LB is a slap in the face to every fan. Marbury over LB!! Come on now. This team has no defensive inclination whatso ever.
Another lost soul. This is not Marbs over LB, this is about ALL of LB's deeds and misdeeds, him and Steph was just a small part of this.
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5/15/2006  10:04 AM
Posted by holfresh:



Those players in Charlotte and Sacramento must be shaking in their collective boots right now...


harlem shaking.

your optimism over isiah taking the sidelines is more scary than your optimism over him remaining as GM.

what will come of it

techs, suspensions, lockerroom meltdowns, on court failings 31 wins
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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5/15/2006  10:22 AM
its hard to believe its not true, seeing that no one in the organization has denied it. but im still not buying it till it happens....its just impossible to be soooo damn stupid!!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
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5/15/2006  10:41 AM
I think Thomas may step down before Brown. Thomas doesn't want to coach the Knicks. So I think he will again offer to remove himself. I don't think Dolan will allow him to do that though. Dolan doesn't operate like that, if you doubt me look at Glen Sather, that man's team made the playoffs after 7 seasons, fired coaches, coach himself. Brown is probably gone no matter what, especially if Thomas removes himself. My feeling is that Dolan and the other Knick execs don't much like him or his antics, and or believe those reports that the guy purposely went out to cause havoc to the team.
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5/15/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Honestly, LArry should've stayed in detriot and not bother coming home to NY..

WHy?? cause the idiots running the knicks are considered organization killers... I.T. Mills and bufoon DOlan has taken this team down to the toilet.


This knicks team went from the Patrick Ewing regime to a complete joke of the NBA.. It's really sad to actually witness what is going on..

Are you serious. The man was FIRED from his position. Leading to Davidison infamous remarks about Brown and quiet Dumars calling him a liar. LOL, he shouldn't have left Detroit.
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5/15/2006  10:53 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Honestly, LArry should've stayed in detriot and not bother coming home to NY..

WHy?? cause the idiots running the knicks are considered organization killers... I.T. Mills and bufoon DOlan has taken this team down to the toilet.


This knicks team went from the Patrick Ewing regime to a complete joke of the NBA.. It's really sad to actually witness what is going on..

Are you serious. The man was FIRED from his position. Leading to Davidison infamous remarks about Brown and quiet Dumars calling him a liar. LOL, he shouldn't have left Detroit.
Yup; assuming this goes through in NY, Brown will have been fired twice in about a 10 month period.
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5/15/2006  10:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:


albom: i think the lure to coach back in ny, the pay day, to coach in madison square garden - it laid itself out perfectly for him. except the only problem is that he didn't have any players or the management behind him.

okay, this is getting ridiculous.

can people stop worrying about what a bunch of sports "analysts" think and look at this situation with our own eyes? I guarantee everyone here follows the Knicks a lot more closely than anyone commenting on this on ESPN. anyone who watched the team knows that Larry Brown did a horrible job, is a horrible fit for the entire roster, faked an acid reflux incident to give himself an out and will be gone in two years no matter what.

Why on earth would we not fire this guy? yeah, yeah, it looks horrible and he's never been fired before. oh wait, no, he's been fired everywhere he's ever been. including a team he took to the finals twice in a row.
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5/15/2006  11:31 AM
I just think its amazing that there are so many who still think Larry is a great coach for young players. Where is the proof that he is this patient teacher who makes young players better? He certainly didn't try to do that this year. Why would Lee who did nothing but hustle all preseason start inactive? Why did LB take him out of the starting lineup when the only success we had came with him in the SL? Why did LB say he was going to start Frye and then proceed NOT to do that? I can go on and on about this and i've yet to get any answer from those who seem to think that LB should stay and Isaiah should go. What did LB do for us that we should give him another chance? He quit on this team in training camp!!!! Screw him and his big head. We don't need his old overrated ass.
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5/15/2006  11:39 AM
The Knicks organization is going down since Dolan bought the club and especially after Mills took over.
They used this lemon nicely and surely extracted as much money as they can. Now is the time to throw it away because it has no juice any more.
This chain of events in my opinion is definitely ends up in putting the club on sale.
Dolan and his team have nothing to do with the sport - they just making money on sport.
They don’t care what will be after they will dump the thing - it will be a problem of other people. This is true about almost any American corporation - get the money and f...it up - environment, jobs, and country, whatever...
In any case this club will be not worth watching for some years to come and definitely not worth Garden tickets unless they will go down to 10 buck or so
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5/15/2006  11:44 AM
i just watched a beat writer on cold pizza talk about it. and it seems like its going to happen.

this is really saddening...i cant take it anymore.

im done with this team...i hate this team...i hate this constant fcukry....

isiah and dolan and marbury can kiss my oss.

goodbye ultimateknicks....this shlt it too stressful...
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5/15/2006  12:07 PM
Posted by TymeLessKnicks:

i just watched a beat writer on cold pizza talk about it. and it seems like its going to happen.

this is really saddening...i cant take it anymore.

im done with this team...i hate this team...i hate this constant fcukry....

isiah and dolan and marbury can kiss my oss.

goodbye ultimateknicks....this shlt it too stressful...

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5/15/2006  12:11 PM
On a sidenote, damn how deep are the Dolans' pockets. $40 million for nothing. There has to be more to this story like Brown did something weird in a meeting or something. Like pulling down his pants. I wonder if it is Brown's 2nd operation, could be a mutual buy-out for health reasons too.
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5/15/2006  12:12 PM
for people protecting Larry Brown, here's what Marc Stein had to say:

Brown, conversely, dragged the Knicks down to the unspeakable depths of 23-59 -- exactly 10 wins worse than the season before -- with what is widely regarded today as perhaps the worst coaching job in the history of professional sport.

In case you've forgotten what Brown did for his hometown team in Year 1, those giggles you hear in the background are the fifth-graders who have calculated that New York, with a $125 million payroll, spent nearly $5.5 million for every victory under Brown.

Or maybe it's America laughing at the Knicks louder than it ever laughed at the Clippers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2445391

[Edited by - crzymdups on 05-15-2006 12:12 PM]
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5/15/2006  1:07 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

for people protecting Larry Brown, here's what Marc Stein had to say:

Brown, conversely, dragged the Knicks down to the unspeakable depths of 23-59 -- exactly 10 wins worse than the season before -- with what is widely regarded today as perhaps the worst coaching job in the history of professional sport.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2445391

[Edited by - crzymdups on 05-15-2006 12:12 PM]

Sad thing is per Brown he had to plead with them to get this record, I can't imagine how bad it would have been if he didn't care.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-15-2006 1:07 PM]
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5/15/2006  1:32 PM
I guess I'm one of the few who remembers that we were a mess about 5 or 6 years before LB got here. Once again, for me it's not about LB, it's about the Knicks. I said the same things when Don Chaney was fired. I said Chaney was an awful coach. I said he wasn't the man for the Knicks. My main question for about 6 months was why did NY not have a proven winner as coach.

Despite that it made no sense to fire Chaney. I defended him daily. Why? because we never gave the man a shot. He was a perpetual interim coach. I said with that situation it didn't matter whether you brought in LB or Pat Riley it would not make a difference to our situation. Sure we could win or lose a few more games but our overall situation would not change until we take the power away from the "whisperers" and give it to the coach. Instead Chaney was a scapegoat

Here we are 4 or 5 years later still talking about the same shiot. At what point do we stop demanding someone's head and demand a philosophical change. At what point Holfresh do we wise up and realize that noone cares about LB. Noone cares about the job he did this year. What we care about is the worst organization in the history of sports getting a direction and sticking with it for more than 82 games.

It's been 6 years since we jettisoned Patrick and fans still think we are a move or a coach away from a title. Keeping LB or firing LB is immaterial. He as an individual does not help us in anyway. Noone seems to remember me trying to tell you guys not to be that excited about LB because he was not turning us into a Phoenix west(with a similar turnaround). But by firing him and replacing him with someone because we don't want to pay money to get someone else just goes right along with our 6 year philosophy.

The end result will be more fans coming to this site making win predictions and thinking the next guy will be the one that turns us around. We are not a team, we are not an organization. We are a group of indivduals making moves to make their jobs last the longest.

The worst part for me is that after 7 years of the same nonsense some fans still think it's about LB. He's just another scapegoat needed to save someone else's job.

[Edited by - Bippity10 on 05-15-2006 1:33 PM]

[Edited by - Bippity10 on 05-15-2006 1:34 PM]

[Edited by - Bippity10 on 05-15-2006 1:35 PM]
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5/15/2006  1:34 PM
Whoever thinks Brown is the man who should take the fall for an orgnaization premiated with faliure up and down, is a complete moron and IT lover.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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5/15/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by simrud:

Whoever thinks Brown is the man who should take the fall for an orgnaization premiated with faliure up and down, is a complete moron and IT lover.

?? What if you want them BOTH gone and want everyone else in the organization gone? Does that somehow mean you love IT?
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