Ya, once again, Isiah's big mistakes have been going after talent at the expense of other assets.

He's dug the cap hole deeper, and given up draft picks, in order to make us more talented, but nonetheless not in any better position to actually WIN.

>>Random trades.....that's Isiah's strength. He likes a player -- he trades for him. Doesn't mean its good for the franchise.....he's so unpredictable, flippant, and unreliable.


bobs - have you ever talked to Isiah Thomas?

Through what source do you validate your opinion about his personality?

[Edited by - MisterEarl on 12-30-2005 7:01 PM]

Posted by bobs3304:

Ya, once again, Isiah's big mistakes have been going after talent at the expense of other assets.

I think the problem has been going for the talent through unconventional means; the 'beating the bushes' for talent. What it has thus far scraped up are expensive rehabilitation projects.

My assumption would be that you can sometimes rehab one or two guys at a time who are older unpolished talent, or low IQ guys, or poor work ethic guys, or petulant brats, etc,.. IF... you have a strong and established system in place. (Think Rodman with the Bulls.)

But to basically throw together a full roster of them with a scattering of rookies (includes Ariza and Butler) in a pressure cooker like NY, with, until now with brown, weak leadership, is a very risky proposition.

The only hope is/was to bring in the best leadership available. Some feel that LB was secured be that, and to in effect salvage this mess. Others think Brown was the wrong guy and even leadership is missing. In either case I think there is little precedent for success through said means. Perhaps some would count Detroit (led by Mr Heart, Ben Wallace) as one, and maybe the Bad News Bears as another. Other than them I'm not sure how many others there have been.


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-30-2005 8:29 PM]

Over 200 posts and still nobody has come up with a reason why Isiah is getting as much slack as he is for giving us the worst team in the NBA after being on the job for 2 full years.

2 years is more than enough time to build a strong foundation but all Isiah can come up with is Frye, Curry and LB. Frye and LB didn't cost us anything in terms of assets. It's ridiculous how much Curry cost us. And everyone else on the team has just been more egregious wastes of assets.

If it wasn't a "name" like Isiah that was the GM doing this to the team, MSG would be filled with "FIRE (add GM's name here)" chants.

Posted by islesfan:

Over 200 posts and still nobody has come up with a reason why Isiah is getting as much slack as he is for giving us the worst team in the NBA after being on the job for 2 full years.

worst record, yes, worst team, no. i cant imagine why our team isnt thriving under LB in his first year on the job, everywhere else he has coached teams win right away.

Posted by islesfan:

2 years is more than enough time to build a strong foundation but all Isiah can come up with is Frye, Curry and LB.

what team has built a strong foundation in 2 years and is thriving??

Posted by islesfan:

If it wasn't a "name" like Isiah that was the GM doing this to the team, MSG would be filled with "FIRE (add GM's name here)" chants.

yea, how dare he bring in the best teacher, one of the best coaches ever, draft one of the best players in last years draft at #8. lets fire him before he can see his plan through! how long was layden on the job before he was fired? and he did much better than isiah...

Center - Curry, Jerome James for comic relief. Jackie Butler as The Understudy

Sounds good to me

bobs = ^ Isiah has basically built this ENTIRE team around potential and unpolished, low IQ talent.

> That in and of itself is the reason why he should be fired.

Yeah right

>Oak - Isiah sucks.

Sheesh

Isles, i've heard all of the issues you have with the team in general and Isiah in particular. I don't neccessarily agree or disagree with all of your reasons as to why. But I acknowledge them.

I guess ultimately my question to you is that if the team happens to become successful with Isiah as GM, will you be pleased with that?

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by islesfan:


If it wasn't a "name" like Isiah that was the GM doing this to the team, MSG would be filled with "FIRE (add GM's name here)" chants.

Nash in town might key the Fire Thomas serinade

Or it might key the resurgence!!!

11-21 but we do lead the league in moral victories

Posted by misterearl:

>And Isiah shouldn't get all the time he wants to keep proving me right.

Islesfan - how much time would you bestow on Isiah to deliver an Eastern Finals or NBA Finals participant?

It wouldn't matter though. You still would be spewing venom all along the journey.

Bring back Al Bianchi!

I guess 4 wins in a row and an 11-21 record means that we're pretty close to the Eastern or NBA Finals. Hey if you want to delude yourself, be my guest.