Posted by efw:

its equally rediculous that some don't see a problem with Steph taking 1500 shots and Amare 8.

It certainly would be if this was true.

Posted by oohah:

I'll guess: Bob Cousey?

No!

In my brief research, Cousy played with only one Rookie of the Year: 1956-57 - Tom Heinsohn

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Larry Brown seemingly prefers Jamal at point:

Or perhaps he prefers Marbury to Crawford at Shooting Guard?

is LB just a Steph-hater as well?

Maybe he is. But I doubt he would take the same stance as you regarding Marbury's relative rank amongst today's point guards.

they lost Joe Johnson in gm 1 agains Dallas. His fga's went up but so did Amare's.

Okay, makes sense...

In the end the shots still came from the player who gave them the best chance to win

I don't know what games you were watching, but the Dallas series was the Steve Nash show, with Nash taking and making most of the shots right down to the end. Against the Spurs, Stoudemire shot more down the stretch.

Allen Iverson .......24.2 - 7.9
Gilbert Arenas .....19.0 - 5.1
Baron Davis.........16.3 - 7.9
S. Marbury .........15.9 - 8.1
Mike Bibby .........15.8 - 6.8
Sam Cassell ........15.6 - 7.3 (03-04 since he was injured 04-05)
Jason Kidd ..........15.5 - 8.9 (02-03 his last healthy full season)
Kirk Hinrich ........14.5 - 6.4
Tony Parker ........13.9 - 6.1
Jeff McInnis ........12.0 - 5.1
Steve Nash .........11.4 - 11.5 (jumped to 17.9 shots in Playoffs)

With the exception of Arenas, the guys on that list (not counting AI cause he is a 2) still adhere to that one key principal. Marbury is the chief strayer from that underlying directive.

I would have to disagree. The first seven players on the list: Iverson, Arenas, Davis, Marbury, Bibby, Cassell, and Kidd all tend to take quite a few shots down the stretch. Nash too. In fact Kidd, Bibby, Nash, and Cassell are all well known for being 'clutch shooters', so they must be taking some shots at the end of the game, that is how you build that sort of reputation.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 10-25-2005 2:52 PM]

Posted by Nalod:

Have to remember, Marbs as a Net Dissed the knicks many times. I don't think just cuz he gets traded here one should throw their undying love. Seems shallow. Just like we should not wish those departed ill just cuz they don't play for us.

Marbs reputation was not exactly the best and for the most part he is trying. He gets my benefit of the doubt, and my respect for his extreme talent, but the love he got to earn with wins, not stats.

To each his own.

Posted by diderotn:

Nash got the MVP award mainly because Steph really gave him the blueprint on how to properly use Amare and Marion.

QUOTE OF THE YEAR

Posted by McK1:

in the end you can find me where I begun:

I don't think Steph is a great point guard.

I hate how he plays the position:

I think he is a boring play-maker.

I hate that he can't throw a bounce-pass or lob and never finds anyone backdoor.

Speaking of lobs, I hate that he never hs developed that 6th sense with is bigman and he's played with 3 super-athletic allstars and 2 of them went on to be all-NBA 1st teamers.

I hate the fact that he doesn't advance the ball over the timeline with earnest.

I hate that his approach to half-court offense is it can't happen unless done by my hand.

I hate that he doesn't run.

I hate that he doesn't dive for looseballs, tie up people, attack the glass, or do anything else that would indicate he is hussling

Its rather sad that teams generally don't overextend or overachieve behind Steph but when you are on the floor fighting in a pile for a looseball and you look and see Steph never in the pile but instead standing to the side yelling at everyone else to get in there and get it, I can understand why teammates aren't as enthused or as exuberant taking the floor with no. 3.

I hate that he doesn't care about defense

I hate that he said rebounding isn't important

I hate that he came out and proclaimed he was the no. 1 point and then amongst his many moments that followed - he couldn't lead his team to victory past the Davis-less and MaGloire-less 3 win Hornets. In the end the Knicks were beat by Dan Dickau making plays in the 3rd and 4th thru Steph's matador style D.

However,

I do think he can be a monster at the 2.

And so he gets a moment of reprieve with LB.