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PresIke
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10/4/2005  1:33 AM
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Posted by bobs3304:

If each player does what he can....this team is STACKED.


I agree. I feel almost giddy looking at the roster.


meanwhile, I'm not even sure if the Bulls will make the playoffs...

of course, this could all backfire very easily a la McDyess.

It could backfire, but with the way the Knicks are run, and Larry Brown's age, this is the best way we are going to land any player close to Curry's talent in time, unless we draft them. Especially at the Center position, where we are DESPERATE for someone like him.

It's a calculated risk oriented move, but we did not give up the farm this time compared to the McDyess deal.

Worse case we have lost Sweetney. Hate to lose him, but we had a glut of PF, and another young PF with potential in Frye. Sweetney or Frye, in the end, were bound to be trade bait somewhere down the road, and if you do it, with our roster, it would HAVE TO BE FOR A BONIFIED CENTER.

That's what Isiah did, and why I approve of the deal, despite the risk.





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10/4/2005  1:34 AM
Sure would look great in Othella harrington's jersey
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10/4/2005  1:45 AM
I think Taylor should give up his number. He isn't important enough to keep it.
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10/4/2005  1:56 AM
Chicago media's take. Further details on the exchange below:

Getting something for Curry beats nothing

Well, we can stop being frustrated by Eddy Curry. Or is this just the beginning?

There was no alternative for the Bulls to trading Curry once it was discovered he may have a serious heart condition and subsequently declined to take a DNA test the Bulls requested.

If the Bulls had not traded Curry to the Knicks on Monday along with Antonio Davis, Curry would have sat out the season. The Bulls would not have permitted him to work out and probably wouldn't have allowed him around the team. All while the Bulls would have been paying him about $5 million and answering daily questions about him until he became an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Did the Bulls make the best, smartest decision they could? Could it have been handled differently? Won't the Bulls miss Curry's post presence and inside scoring?

The Bulls did what they could and will end up with the Knicks' first-round draft pick in 2006. If the Knicks finish with one of the top-five records in the NBA, the pick will go to 2007.

The Bulls also receive two useable pieces in Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, both of whom are unlikely to be re-signed after their contracts expire after this season.


The Bulls are likely to be the main player in free agency next summer with more than $20 million in available salary-cap room. This should enable them to recoup quickly from the loss of Curry, if it turns out to be costly.

Though it seems likely Ben Wallace and Peja Stojakovic will re-sign with their teams, they will be free agents. Other free agents after this season include Denver's Nene, whom the Bulls have liked, Vladimir Radmanovic, Al Harrington, James Posey, Matt Harpring, Lorenzen Wright, Bobby Jackson, Mike Dunleavy, Nazr Mohammed and Caron Butler.

Under terms of the deal, the Knicks will release Davis and he will return to the Bulls later this month. That was believed to be part of the last-minute talks in the deal.

DNA test at issue

The Bulls believe Curry may have a serious, perhaps fatal, heart condition. They offered him an annuity worth $400,000 a year for 50 years, $20 million in long-term value, if he took a DNA test and it disclosed problems forcing him to quit the game. Curry supposedly countered that he would take the test for more than double that, but then continued to balk at taking the test. He was backed by the players' union, of which Davis is president, an uncomfortable conflict for the player who may or may not be returning to the Bulls.

The Bulls had to wonder why Curry wouldn't take the test. After all, if you had a potential heart problem, wouldn't you?

Because of his uncertain condition, the Bulls no longer could allow Curry to play, no matter what liability waivers he would sign, if he didn't take the test. It would be morally reprehensible. Curry's advisors insisted he didn't have a heart problem, there was no family history as the Bulls feared from a previous report Curry's mother had a heart attack and that a DNA test is inconclusive anyway.

The Knicks are confident Curry's health is good. It's likely Curry will sign a long-term contract starting at about $8 million to $9 million annually. The Knicks also signed free-agent center Jerome James from Seattle in the off-season and drafted Arizona center Channing Frye.

Bulls caught in dilemma

The Bulls long have feared that even healthy, once Curry received a long-term contract, he might relax and return to the form of his first three seasons before he played well last season on his contract year. Nevertheless, the Bulls had agreed internally, after the team's surprisingly good play through the All-Star break, that they would pay Curry an eight-figure starting salary in an extension.

But the Bulls have wondered whether, after acrimonious contract negotiations, Curry might say at any time his heart was bothering him and he must stop playing. Would his pride prevent him from doing that? Is Curry the kind of competitor who would risk everything?

Curry also has admitted he never was in basketball shape or worked as hard as he did last season. Would he work as hard again knowing in the back of his mind what occurred? Would anyone?

These are questions that would not go away. And it's not like the Bulls were talking about the next Shaquille O'Neal here. Even at his best last season, Curry often didn't play down the stretch in the fourth quarter of games and was a poor rebounder and defender. After he sat down for the season, the Bulls won seven of 11 games and the first two in the playoffs against Washington.

Would they have won that first-round series if Curry had been healthy?

Perhaps, though missing Luol Deng hurt as well. Make no mistake, Curry is a valuable basketball player. Though not always particularly motivated, he averaged 16.1 points in 28.7 minutes per game. He was the Bulls' only true low-post offensive threat. That element will be missed this season.

He was, perhaps, in baseball terms, a home run threat. But you can win with pitching and defense. It's the way the Bulls turned around their franchise last season and the type of team they're building now, more Pistons than Heat or Spurs.

If the Bulls stumble this season, there will be those who recall Curry as what we wanted him to be rather than what he is. Perhaps he's not Benoit Benjamin, but he still hasn't shown he can be as reliable as Kevin Duckworth.

He has admitted to friends he prefers not being a No. 1 option on the team and likes a comfort zone out of the spotlight. Good luck with that in New York, as his buddy Jamal Crawford discovered last season. No one would say it's fear, but there were games last season Curry seemed perfectly satisfied to remain sitting at the end. Yet, everyone on the team liked him.

But did you want him to be the foundation of your franchise, as he was unfairly portrayed when drafted in 2001 along with Tyson Chandler.

Curry probably will have a good season for the Knicks, who apparently are not ordering much further heart or any DNA testing. It could make life uncomfortable for the Bulls.

No way to win

But there was no good resolution to this for the Bulls. Professional sports teams usually are accused of being indifferent toward their players. So are the Bulls too caring? They wished it didn't come to this, being forced into a trade that isn't the best for them.

Is there a curse? They lost 2002's No. 2 overall pick Jay Williams to a motorcycle accident. Their No. 4 overall pick in 2000, Marcus Fizer, suffered knee injuries and fizzled. And now Curry with his heart issues. They have little to show for the three. But the Bulls did what they believed was correct and, truly, the only thing they could do at this point.

The Bulls will be fine with a developing, young team. We all hope Eddy Curry and the physicians he chose to heed are correct.
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10/4/2005  2:14 AM
It should be fully lottery protected. Oh well.
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10/4/2005  2:48 AM
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1128405004140390.xml&coll=1
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10/4/2005  2:55 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/28941.htm
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10/4/2005  3:00 AM
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10/4/2005  3:02 AM
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10/4/2005  4:13 AM
"There's nothing penciled in right now with Coach Brown," said Penny Hardaway. "One thing about him, he's his own man. He's going to come in and make his own assessments of what's going on. I don't think anything is predictable right now."


So Penny Hardaway thinks he is playing this year for the Knicks?



[Edited by - enyspree on 10-04-2005 04:14 AM]
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10/4/2005  4:16 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
"There's nothing penciled in right now with Coach Brown," said Penny Hardaway. "One thing about him, he's his own man. He's going to come in and make his own assessments of what's going on. I don't think anything is predictable right now."


So Penny Hardaway thinks he is playing this year for the Knicks?



[Edited by - enyspree on 10-04-2005 04:14 AM]

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10/4/2005  4:19 AM
This is Isiah at his best....He doesn't lose the expiring deal....if anything he gains a player that playoff teams would want more that Tim Thomas. Davis brings maturity, and game changing inside play. It just makes more sense.

Wow that is just a lateral move though, lol.

The Knicks already have too many power fwds so Someone had to go.....Sweets is the easiest to trade outside of Kurt Thomas.....Even if Curry is a bust and never plays a game the Knicks have plenty of adequate players to fill in.

Awesome ****ing trade......like I said before:

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10/4/2005  4:38 AM
I am very sad to see Sweetnet go, but the truth is that this is a good deal. The only problem I see is that once again we have too many power forwards, although definately we are not undersized anymore.
James 7'1
Curry 6'11
Frye 6'11
Davis 6'9
Taylor 6'9
Rose 6'7
And I'm did not mention Jackie Butler 6'10

I think we should trade Rose or Taylor for Ruben Patterson (or someone like him) in order to have a more experienced SF (I don't want Q to play a lot of minutes at that position).
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10/4/2005  4:41 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:


I think we should trade Rose or Taylor for Ruben Patterson (or someone like him) in order to have a more experienced SF (I don't want Q to play a lot of minutes at that position).

We already have Ariza behind him off the bench.


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10/4/2005  4:44 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by DarkKnicks:


I think we should trade Rose or Taylor for Ruben Patterson (or someone like him) in order to have a more experienced SF (I don't want Q to play a lot of minutes at that position).

We already have Ariza behind him off the bench.
I hope Q doesn't start nor play at SF because that is not his position.
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10/4/2005  6:39 AM
Darn; part of the deal was that we would release AD. I really wanted to keep his expiring contract. Oh well.
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10/4/2005  7:46 AM
trade is interesting and i thought it wasn't going to happen. let's look at our losses. we lose mike sweetney who has been decent but he is who he is. a good rebounder who uses his size but limited athletically and slow defensively. he wouldn't have fit in the over all scheme. i did like the progress aguirre had made with him though but he will be a role player for his career. tim thomas had a good half year when he first came but last year was deplorable. he did avg. 14ppg but the stats are inflated. he had so many stretch of awful games and maybe it was because of personal problems. however he is a liablity on our roster. any picks we trade i am okay with since we have a young team already and we had THREE quality picks from last year.

now to curry. actually, i wanted isaih to hold on to thomas and penny until someone bigger becomes available because a team is looking for cap room ( minny, celtics?). i guess that isn't the case. we did get a low post presence that can score inside better than most centers in the league. in the east, he is ranked easily in the top five, maybe top three ( shaq, big z and curry). i like bosh and d. howard but curry is more polished in the post than them. he is still young and will get better with the proper coaching. with that said, i am still wary about his heart condition. even though there have been success stories ( remember sean elliot had heart problems for years until it came into fruitation after the spurs first championship), there are an equal number of tragic stories as well. we do have the depth to compensate if he goes down for an extended period of time and i do not think we gave up too much ( i do agree that if we gave up lee AND a draft pick, that woudl be too much), but i think larry and thomas are banking that this is the center of our future. no question he has all the right tools to do so and no more questions about his desire like before. rebounding is a skill he can learn from the right coaches as well as shot blocking. ant davis is a big body and classy veteran who can be positive in the locker room. he also has leadership qualities severely lacking in our lineup. i say keep him and not wave him.
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10/4/2005  8:10 AM
I LOVE THIS DEAL!!!

Tim Thomas is someone none of us liked. He is inconsistent, doesn't play D (so Brown has no use for him) and has little if no heart. QRich, Ariza and Lee will MORE than make up for him. Getting rid of him is ADDITION by subtraction.

Sweets - Nice player, biggest upside is 18/11 IF he is in shape. He is poor on the D (again no use to Brown) and has not shown the willingness to sculpt his body into the physique it needs to be. Will be missed, but Frye, MoT, Rose and AD??? will easily fill his contributions.

Curry - what can i say he is 22, 6'11 285 with good hands and a nice post game. If he is healthy and that is a big IF, NY has their center for the next 10 years. They are going to test the F.#R! out of his heart over the next 2 days. I hope he will be fine. If he is, you have a potential starting lineup of:

Curry 22
Frye 23
Qrich 26
Craw 24
Marbs 28

Who would've thought 2 years ago when Laydumb was still here this was at all possible? Isiah is a master!

Even if Curry plays 1 game and then retires, I like this deal. TT is a waste and Sweets although a good young player is not going to be a Malone or Stoudamire. Frye can do what he did , right now.

I really hope we keep AD. He fits Brown's system to a T and would be a nice tutor for this young (am I really saying this?) YOUNG FRONT LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - gonygonygo on 10-04-2005 08:12 AM]

[Edited by - gonygonygo on 10-04-2005 08:13 AM]
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10/4/2005  8:14 AM
AD should be our insurance in case Curry cannot play. IT if you are reading this, keep him!!!
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10/4/2005  8:27 AM
Just a thought. I don't get why Tim Thomas and Antonio Davis have been traded because their salaries match exactly and they are both expiring contracts. Also, the Bulls don't need Thomas and we did not really need Davis. I think this trade would have been a little better if both were not included: just a Sweetney, J.Jackosn and a pick for Curry trade. Our roster would have been more balanced.
But anyway, I like this deal a lot, it is just a thought.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 10-04-2005 08:28 AM]
670 AM radio in chicago reports curry to the knicks (confirmed)

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