Those aren't stunning stats. The OPS is acceptable but not great for an outfielder. Maybe if we pick up Tex and/or Manny and at least one ACE and another very solid pitcher, then we can get away with Cameron in CF. I'd rather add K Griffey Jr though and have him share time with Gardner.

Posted by TMS:

$10 mil for a .243 hitter w/a low OBP & SLG is not my idea of great value... Cameron's a decent player but hardly what i'd call a big upgrade over Johnny Damon overall... i'd much rather put that money towards signing Manny or Tex & just dealing w/a weak hitting good defensive CFer w/elite speed like Gardner next year, then using the rest of the freed up cash to go after the big arms in the rotation.

Yeah, I agree the more I think about it. Cameron makes no sense for this team.

He also fanned 142 times in 444 at-bats last year... please stay away from this guy!

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.

Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM

I think Cashman will be gone after this next season, if the Yankees don't make great improvement after next season.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Those aren't stunning stats. The OPS is acceptable but not great for an outfielder. Maybe if we pick up Tex and/or Manny and at least one ACE and another very solid pitcher, then we can get away with Cameron in CF. I'd rather add K Griffey Jr though and have him share time with Gardner.

Yeah, numbers, numbers, numbers. They can give me numbers all day long. But what I want to know is if 'he's a clutch player'??

I can't understand why Cashman would put up with an owner making all the decisions he's supposed to be making (*if hypothetically what you're saying is true*). Is he just greedy and he likes going to the team that will pay him the biggest salary? Is he afraid of making big decisions and he's happy the Steinbrenners will do them for him?

If what you're saying is correct (and I have to keep adding that qualification), then I'd rather take a paycut and have the power to make my own decisions. Maybe Brian likes being emasculated though

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-27-2008 08:41 AM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

If what you're saying is correct (and I have to keep adding that qualification), then I'd rather take a paycut and have the power to make my own decisions. Maybe Brian likes being emasculated though

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-27-2008 08:41 AM]

how do u view taking a higher paying job w/less autonomy while working in the toughest & most pressure filled market in sports as meaning he enjoys being emasculated? name me 1 GM in baseball who'd refuse to take the highest paid executive's job in baseball if it meant having a little less autonomy over personnel decisions? Cashman currently makes almost 3 times the median average salary for MLB GM's... ur seriously trying to tell me u'd pass up a job that paid u 3 times as much as ur current job if it meant having less autonomy & you'd be ashamed every time u cashed ur paycheck? i have a hard time believing you.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.

Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM

Do you suppose it wasn't the GM's fault after all, since Torre lost in the second round with the Dodgers?

Not sure what you're saying? That it was somehow Torre's fault?

Well, a lot of people say Cashman has to go, because of Yankee woes and that Joe was a mistake to let go. Well, with Joe not making it to the w.s., maybe Cashman wasn't all that bad after all, you think? And we are' kind of in a rebuilding mode right now to and Giardi's first season. Not bad really. At least they played well above .500 and had a good run at the end and at least we know why' we didn't make it, so I don't think the entire blame should go on Cashman. That's what I mean and I'm just trying to look at it fairly.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

hindsight is always 20/20... i know u were in favor of that trade going down as was i, but it didn't happen & i understand why the Yankees hedged on making the deal... at the time both Hughes & Kennedy showed huge promise... sometimes u make good trades, sometimes u don't, & sometimes u pass up good trades... obviously we coulda benefitted greatly by trading for Johan... i was willing to give up Cano & Wang for him at 1 point, that's how much i wanted the guy... at some point u gotta move on & focus on what we need to do in the future.

Well I was only responding to DJ; I wasn't bringing up the topic. That said, I'll move on when the Yankees show real improvement or hire a new GM

Do you suppose it wasn't the GM's fault after all, since Torre lost in the second round with the Dodgers?

Not sure what you're saying? That it was somehow Torre's fault?

Well, a lot of people say Cashman has to go, because of Yankee woes and that Joe was a mistake to let go. Well, with Joe not making it to the w.s., maybe Cashman wasn't all that bad after all, you think? And we are' kind of in a rebuilding mode right now to and Giardi's first season. Not bad really. At least they played well above .500 and had a good run at the end and at least we know why' we didn't make it, so I don't think the entire blame should go on Cashman. That's what I mean and I'm just trying to look at it fairly.

Torre took a team with lower expectations and much less salary than ours to the 2nd round. We haven't been that far in like 5 years. There's really very little positive in this organization. Unless Cashman has learned from his mistakes, I think we could easily be fighting with Toronto for 3rd vs. 4th place for many years to come.