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6/12/2009  10:42 AM
IMO, if you put Lebron next to a more talented team he and his team will have issues. Actually I think they will have a lot of issues because he dominates the ball too much. He is not a natural scorer in the sense that you can't just use him as a last option on plays. Lebron is more comfortable bringing the ball up, dictating the pace of the game and then deciding on a course of action. To me that is the big difference. He is Oscar Robinson. While on the other hand Kobe is in the mold of Jordan and Bird. More natural scorers. See I can't even compare Lebron to Magic because he won't be satisfy with dishing out 20 assists instead of scoring 20+ points like Magic. He maybe more late 80s Magic than early 80s Magic. Still all in all great players but bring different things to the table.
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6/12/2009  11:37 AM
Posted by McK1:
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but when i watch hedo i think - there's gallo. i really think gallo's gonna give us everything that hedo showed last night.

God I hope not...I can't stand the way Hedo plays.

Cut off his dribble right and he is garbage.

Think he ends up being more R Lewis with better court vision.

really????

i thought hedo put it all together. if he hadn’t missed the late ft's he'd be hedo the hero right now. he controlled the game from the point forward position. had the drives, dishes, vision, short range and long range games going. i'd love it if gallo put that whole game together.

rashasrd? horrible. just horrible
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6/12/2009  11:45 AM
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i have to say i don't get hailing kobe as god right now.

the all-kobe all the time offense was one of the reasons the lakers struggled down the stretch and almost cost his team the game

he missed or forced quite a few shots down the stretch. if the magic hit some free throws, or not have such huge mental lapses they win this game. he was given so many opportunities.

i'm not saying kobe isn't a great player, but the magic gift wrapped this series for the lakers. other than game 1 the lakers and especially kobe have not shown that they are all that great. they are winning, can't deny that, but not in a way that makes me go ga ga over kobe.

in games 2 and 4 you can very easily see the magic deserving to win.

this isn't the same as dallas-miami a few years ago (although some of the way game 2 was called you can make that argument), but with the talent the lakers have they have only impressed me in game 1.

again, yes, you have to win the games, but this is not a particularly impressive example of kobe's greatness, and to me why for years without the level of talent he enjoys now, his teams never went far.

hence why i still prefer lebron james. with far less talented teams he has gotten to the finals once, and to the conference finals multiple times. and even during the reg season wins 60+ games, which can contradict a little the idea that "Well, that's because lebron is in the east."

[Edited by - PresIke on 06-12-2009 08:45 AM]

kobe struggled with his offense last night, and found others ways to will his team to win. he fought howard underneath like oakley would have. and kicked his ass quite a few times too. that's a champion player to me. your offense isn’t going to be smooth all the time, but if a 3-1 finals lead is out there you push, grab, snarl and bang to get it no matter what. and you trust fisher to take the tying 3 also.

that was a bird- or johnson-like performance. do any and everything it takes to win a spirit-crushing game.
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6/12/2009  11:46 AM
This is the Kobe stan chiming in.

1 more win !
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6/12/2009  12:05 PM
Posted by Marv:
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but when i watch hedo i think - there's gallo. i really think gallo's gonna give us everything that hedo showed last night.

God I hope not...I can't stand the way Hedo plays.

Cut off his dribble right and he is garbage.

Think he ends up being more R Lewis with better court vision.

really????

i thought hedo put it all together. if he hadn’t missed the late ft's he'd be hedo the hero right now. he controlled the game from the point forward position. had the drives, dishes, vision, short range and long range games going. i'd love it if gallo put that whole game together.

rashasrd? horrible. just horrible

1 night

Rashard lit LA up in games 2&3.

gm2 box:
http://www.nba.com/games/20090607/ORLLAL/boxscore.html

gm3 box:
http://www.nba.com/games/20090609/LALORL/boxscore.html

overall Lewis has been Orlando's 2nd best player this playoffs run

http://www.nba.com/magic/stats/index.html

Lewis is better than Hedo despite Hedo's versatility. His ability to make shots from virtually anywhere over virtually anybody trumps any luck move or pass Hedo pulls out of his butt. Stan Van Dummy runs some screens for him instead of running that Hedo Dwight play which LA figured out how to shut down sometime in the 3rd and its a different outcome.

As far as Gallo, he is a stiff and it makes me cringe thinking of him trying to run around wasting as many possessions as Hedo does with less actual chance of beating somebody off the dribble out there. Rather see him shoot or pass over the top like Lewis does cause I think he can be just as deadly with the shot and hit the open man with a lot more consistency.



[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 12:33 PM]
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6/12/2009  12:26 PM

"The series in the refrigerator. The door's closed, the light's out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O's jiggling." - the late, great Chick Hearn.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-06-12 12:27 PM]
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6/12/2009  12:28 PM
Posted by K22:


"The series in the refrigerator. The door's closed, the light's out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O's jiggling." - the late, great Chick Hearn.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-06-12 12:27 PM]
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6/12/2009  12:33 PM
post game with Stan
The series hung in the balance and one of the great philosophical coaching debates raged for Stan Van Gundy on Thursday night.

Do you foul the Lakers before they attempt a game-tying 3-pointer, sending a player to the line for what most often are two harmless shots? Or do you let it ride on your defense, roll the dice that a great player won’t make a great shot?

Van Gundy told his team not to foul.

“That one will haunt me forever,” the coach said afterward, shaking his head.

Left unimpeded, Lakers guard Derek Fisher(notes) caught a pass in the back court, dribbled up the right side and hit a shot he never should’ve been allowed to take. His 3 with 4.6 seconds remaining sent the game to overtime. L.A. pulled away in the extra session, winning 99-91 to take a commanding 3-1 series lead. The Lakers can wrap up the championship here Sunday night.

Van Gundy had his reasons for not fouling. He felt a foul too early would turn the game into a free-throw shooting contest and his team was hitting just 59 percent (22-for-37) of theirs. He philosophically doesn’t believe in doing it until “six or seven” seconds remain in the game.

Afterward though he was dealing with waves of second-guesses and coaching guilt.

“It was my decision with 11 seconds not to foul,” he said. “Yes I regret it now, but only in retrospect. I mean, normally to me 11 is too early. You foul, they make two free throws, [they] cut it to one [and] you’re still at six or seven seconds.”

However, the dynamics of the play changed when Lakers coach Phil Jackson mistakenly thought Orlando had a foul to give. If that was the case, then the Magic could’ve fouled without sending a Laker to the free-throw line. L.A. would get the ball out of bounds again, but with the flow of the play disturbed.

However, while the Magic had committed just one team foul in the fourth quarter it came in the final two minutes. That meant its next foul was a shooting foul.

Jackson had it wrong though and as a result said he had the Lakers take the ball out in their backcourt because he wanted to create space to avoid the hack that it turned out was never coming.

By going full court though, it took time for Fisher to bring the ball up. The clock wound down under Van Gundy’s seven-second standard, but defender Jameer Nelson(notes) did what his coach had told him.

“We weren’t supposed to foul,” Nelson said. “I should have pushed up on him a little more.”

Van Gundy was questioning everything afterward, even acknowledging that the full-court scenario could’ve changed his decision.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtA50hy3lT1yOihlyTCY6hI5nYcB?slug=dw-vangundy061209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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6/12/2009  12:43 PM
^ Man why do they still have the debate if no coach is willing to do it. I mean come on how many years can this go on and how many times do I have to listen to Breen ask "well... what do you do here?" Coaches are scare of a LJ play to win the game and don't have enough faith in their own players to secure the win at the line.
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6/12/2009  12:51 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:
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but when i watch hedo i think - there's gallo. i really think gallo's gonna give us everything that hedo showed last night.

God I hope not...I can't stand the way Hedo plays.

Cut off his dribble right and he is garbage.

Think he ends up being more R Lewis with better court vision.

really????

i thought hedo put it all together. if he hadn’t missed the late ft's he'd be hedo the hero right now. he controlled the game from the point forward position. had the drives, dishes, vision, short range and long range games going. i'd love it if gallo put that whole game together.

rashasrd? horrible. just horrible

1 night

Rashard lit LA up in games 2&3.

gm2 box:
http://www.nba.com/games/20090607/ORLLAL/boxscore.html

gm3 box:
http://www.nba.com/games/20090609/LALORL/boxscore.html

overall Lewis has been Orlando's 2nd best player this playoffs run

http://www.nba.com/magic/stats/index.html

Lewis is better than Hedo despite Hedo's versatility. His ability to make shots from virtually anywhere over virtually anybody trumps any luck move or pass Hedo pulls out of his butt. Stan Van Dummy runs some screens for him instead of running that Hedo Dwight play which LA figured out how to shut down sometime in the 3rd and its a different outcome.

As far as Gallo, he is a stiff and it makes me cringe thinking of him trying to run around wasting as many possessions as Hedo does with less actual chance of beating somebody off the dribble out there. Rather see him shoot or pass over the top like Lewis does cause I think he can be just as deadly with the shot and hit the open man with a lot more consistency.



[Edited by - McK1 on 06-12-2009 12:33 PM]

rashard has all the skill in the world and very little heart. guy disappears like that last night? there were a million ways he could have helped his team and didn’t.

and gallo is a stiff??? he WAS stiff all last year. we better all pray that surgery was successful and he's got his body back. yes i remember well how awkwardly he moved last year. just as a reminder, look at how the guy's body works when he doesn’t have a physically-limiting injury. imagine him regaining this mobility this year:



[Edited by - marv on 06-12-2009 12:57 PM]
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6/12/2009  1:03 PM
^If I'm Gallo, I would ask YouTube to get rid of these highlights. They aren't that great. On two of the his highlights he is refraining from contact and his number one highlight is a 3 point shot? I don't get how some guys put some these highlights together. They think adding a catchy tune will help. There has to be some highlights were he straight out attacks the rim. Here it is hard to tell if it is good offense or really bad defense.
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6/12/2009  1:03 PM
how can you say Lewis has little heart especially after the shots he hit to sink the Kings ship?

He even led off the ot with an amazing 3 from the corner with the shot clock running down and Odom in his face. He didn't see the ball in another scoring opportunity after that with that clown Hedo hogging it. If anybody showed little heart it was him. Not only did he miss those free throws but some of the shots he decided to take in OT cost his team any chance at pulling that game out.

maybe I'm just seeing the glass half empty on Gallo but I see that air reverse getting pinned and I don't see that baseline drive being all that effective against guys who can actually bend at the knee.

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6/12/2009  1:04 PM
Glad to see you updated the mix, Marv.
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Posted by Pharzeone:

Glad to see you updated the mix, Marv.

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6/12/2009  1:08 PM
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Posted by Pharzeone:

Glad to see you updated the mix, Marv.

the internet is our friend

That run it mix was just a lazy highlight mix. This is better. I can't stand lazy highlight mixes.
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6/12/2009  1:22 PM
Gallinari should go back to the fade. It makes him look deranged. Briggs will approve. Rubio shave your head son. Long hair is out.





[Edited by - pharzeone on 06-12-2009 1:23 PM]
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6/12/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

This is the Kobe stan chiming in.

1 more win !

Fresh breath speaks for itself, breh! Me and you are about to have a showdown. Do your push ups, your sit ups, and kiss the wifey. This will be our defining moment. Godspeed.

See you on the other side!
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6/12/2009  1:42 PM
well one thing Gallinari will always have in his favor is his eyes will never give away which direction he is going

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6/12/2009  3:54 PM
^McK1:

Gallo is not stiff, he had back problems.

Hedo plays great, has great court vision, and is an asset to any team he is on.
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Posted by McK1:

well one thing Gallinari will always have in his favor is his eyes will never give away which direction he is going


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