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That Kyrie is a wealthy man puts him on a “platform”. He admits to “Just being a hooper” but he holds his regard very high. He is not an educated man, no cred academically or having doe much other be a great player and has social activism and sensitivities which I do respect. He wants to help those in need and does so. But he also has created a spectacle of himself and deliberate or not in a vacuum is now important.

I have defended his right to speak and his stance as not being disruptive to his team. Now it is. Now he puts himself above the game. He has not earned that right yet. Bill russell has, Jabbar has. Men who facedd injustice and became a role model that ate **** but rose above to be a positive infuence by succeeding as a person, a basketball player and not turning his back on society.
Kyrie selfishness has drawn in the social debate. He does not speak for the common working person. He has not earned the stature.

HE is speaking that others are putting words in his mounth. Actions speak louder than words. His words are poignant, his intensions might be genuine, but he lacks substance. If he cares about what others think of him then he should pubically donate his salary while he sits to charities that help others. I’d respect that. Then its not about money. He might actually do that, but he could earn some cred by going pubic.

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Kyrie seems all about controlling his narrative and individual choices. He is becoming an spokesman for the MAGA extreme.
The notion that the individual is bigger then the democracy is a american fable. That we dont’ need social programs like Medicare, social security, FDIC protections and the social benefits of actuary devised pools of funds we call “Insurance’ is naive. All pay into a system for the benefit of those in need goes against the independant American spirit that is a fable.

That Kyrie is a wealthy man puts him on a “platform”. He admits to “Just being a hooper” but he holds his regard very high. He is not an educated man, no cred academically or having doe much other be a great player and has social activism and sensitivities which I do respect. He wants to help those in need and does so. But he also has created a spectacle of himself and deliberate or not in a vacuum is now important.

I have defended his right to speak and his stance as not being disruptive to his team. Now it is. Now he puts himself above the game. He has not earned that right yet. Bill russell has, Jabbar has. Men who facedd injustice and became a role model that ate **** but rose above to be a positive infuence by succeeding as a person, a basketball player and not turning his back on society.
Kyrie selfishness has drawn in the social debate. He does not speak for the common working person. He has not earned the stature.

HE is speaking that others are putting words in his mounth. Actions speak louder than words. His words are poignant, his intensions might be genuine, but he lacks substance. If he cares about what others think of him then he should pubically donate his salary while he sits to charities that help others. I’d respect that. Then its not about money. He might actually do that, but he could earn some cred by going pubic.

A few writers have been defending him on the basis of 'oh you may disagree with him, but he sincerely believes it and is standing by his convictions' and 'if you supported players having a voice for BLM then you can't now criticise Kyrie just because you don't agree with his current cause. Yes you can! The cause is the important bit of any protest- it's like if Muhammad Ali's cause had been protesting seatbelts- there's no way he'd be as highly regarded as he is now.

Its a good take. I think one can be critical of him on this issue. Im on record for being respective to Kyries intent and his sincerity to the things he holds dear. Seemingly his teammates have also and had few issues with him outside of going awal.
This Nets team was put together to win a chip. He is not being for this mates. These are unusual times! I get it.
I support his rights and his right to have a platform. I don't have to agree with it though. What happend last year with George Fllyod and the BLM protests/Kneeling, yes, I support the players rights to protest and express themselves. Disgusted myself the way "Patriots" took it as disrespect. That said, this is not a social issue. He is making it one. Its a public health one. I'd respect him if he took unpaid leave actually for the season or until he can come back full time. Anyone that does not want to take the vax can stay home and sequester themselves for the safety of themselves and if not, for others.
Net got Durant and can thank Kyrie actually for that. He is the third best player on that team.
I thought his response was weak. The issue became the issue.

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Not in this loop much (but have been following this thread on and off) and I am totally confused by conflicting data.
What do you think of this new study from the NIH?
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

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...“In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.”...

ESOMKnicks wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:Not in this loop much (but have been following this thread on and off) and I am totally confused by conflicting data.
What do you think of this new study from the NIH?

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

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...“In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.”...

You cannot draw conclusions from simply comparing vaccination rates and Covid incidence across countries. To see if vaccines really have any effect, you also need to control for other variables that drive infection rates: average population age, density, frequency and availability of testing, and plain simple reliability of statistics. I would not be surprised if the Viet commies are simply cooking up their stats to make their regime look better.

Then you would be completely and utterly wrong.

The Asian countries have learned from SARS and Avian Flu and have a much higher community sense that other countries and their mask rates are much higher.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I would not be surprised if the Viet commies are simply cooking up their stats to make their regime look better.

Then you would be completely and utterly wrong.

The Asian countries have learned from SARS and Avian Flu and have a much higher community sense that other countries and their mask rates are much higher.

Commies do not lie because people in Asian countries wear masks? Sorry, I fail to see the logic of your argument.

You want to hold on to that assumption, go ahead and be that ignorant.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I would not be surprised if the Viet commies are simply cooking up their stats to make their regime look better.

Then you would be completely and utterly wrong.

The Asian countries have learned from SARS and Avian Flu and have a much higher community sense that other countries and their mask rates are much higher.

Commies do not lie because people in Asian countries wear masks? Sorry, I fail to see the logic of your argument.

You want to hold on to that assumption, go ahead and be that ignorant.

I am not ignorant. I would venture to guess that I know a lot more about commies than you do. And I know commies lie.

Projecting your own experiences on cultures that you seemingly have zero clue about while also ignoring some commonly known facts about countries is not a perspective I would take.

I assure YOU that I know a LOT more about Vietnam and other Asian countries than you do. Family who live there, family who are gov't representatives who have worked for decades in those countries at high levels, friends who live, travel, and work there.

There is a very direct line between the experience with SARS and Avian flu in particular countries that you are ignoring, more than once now. It is directly linked as to why their exposure to COVID in the early 2020 months was much better than the rest of the world (masking had already been commonplace); it wasn't some completely theoretical reason and weak correlation that you are trying to pull without much substantiation.

There are some deep, dark parts of American and Europe that don't report numbers correctly. It happens everywhere. In all sorts of types of governments.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I would not be surprised if the Viet commies are simply cooking up their stats to make their regime look better.

Then you would be completely and utterly wrong.

The Asian countries have learned from SARS and Avian Flu and have a much higher community sense that other countries and their mask rates are much higher.

Commies do not lie because people in Asian countries wear masks? Sorry, I fail to see the logic of your argument.

You want to hold on to that assumption, go ahead and be that ignorant.

I am not ignorant. I would venture to guess that I know a lot more about commies than you do. And I know commies lie.

The very fact you use the term 'commies' says everything about your mindset- feel like I've fallen through a time portal to the 1950s