NYKBocker wrote:

Vmart wrote:I think you guys are missing the point on Eli. Its good to have confidence in your abilities. If he thinks he is elite then its his right to think that. Over the years Eli has lost his weapons gradually all his go to targets have been taken away. Palxico, Steve Smith, Amani Toomer, Boss all these guys are gone and now his game is hurting because all the reliable receivers that he had are all gone. Last year he had to work Nicks and Manningham into the rotation still managed to throw over 4,000 yards. How many of his interceptions were deflected into the opponents hand as a result of stone hands by his receivers? Manning is going to bounce back and play effectively he is to good and like it or not he is probably one of the most cerebral QBs out there. It doesn't help that he has to deal with a revamped offensive line to boot. This one is on the GM, Coughlin and Gilbride. The GM this year did a terrible job. Coughlin should have asked Plaxico to come to the Giants instead he steered him away from them. As for Steve Smith I don't think he would have helped much this year anyways. The loss of Boss is another factor. Smith and Boss were his go to targets especially on third down now he has to rely on a bunch of receivers that probably don't know their routes yet.

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Everything you said is correct but it still is no reason for him to compare himself to Brady. Like jrodmc said, the point was he was running his mouth. If you want people to think of you as an elite QB you gotta go out there and earn it. One superbowl where the team was known mostly for it's defense ain't gonna get you to that level. Peyton also has one superbowl but everybody and their mother thinks he is one of the best QBs ever, because of how he controls the game and imposes his will on his teammates. Eli needs to do a LOT more before he can talk the talk.

loweyecue wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Vmart wrote:I think you guys are missing the point on Eli. Its good to have confidence in your abilities. If he thinks he is elite then its his right to think that. Over the years Eli has lost his weapons gradually all his go to targets have been taken away. Palxico, Steve Smith, Amani Toomer, Boss all these guys are gone and now his game is hurting because all the reliable receivers that he had are all gone. Last year he had to work Nicks and Manningham into the rotation still managed to throw over 4,000 yards. How many of his interceptions were deflected into the opponents hand as a result of stone hands by his receivers? Manning is going to bounce back and play effectively he is to good and like it or not he is probably one of the most cerebral QBs out there. It doesn't help that he has to deal with a revamped offensive line to boot. This one is on the GM, Coughlin and Gilbride. The GM this year did a terrible job. Coughlin should have asked Plaxico to come to the Giants instead he steered him away from them. As for Steve Smith I don't think he would have helped much this year anyways. The loss of Boss is another factor. Smith and Boss were his go to targets especially on third down now he has to rely on a bunch of receivers that probably don't know their routes yet.

+1

Everything you said is correct but it still is no reason for him to compare himself to Brady. Like jrodmc said, the point was he was running his mouth. If you want people to think of you as an elite QB you gotta go out there and earn it. One superbowl where the team was known mostly for it's defense ain't gonna get you to that level. Peyton also has one superbowl but everybody and their mother thinks he is one of the best QBs ever, because of how he controls the game and imposes his will on his teammates. Eli needs to do a LOT more before he can talk the talk.

What I find funny is Eli said he was elite QB he didn't compare himself. What do you want him to say that he is middle of the pack QB. In any sports you have to have confidence in your ability and put yourself on a pedestal. I liked Eli's confidence Phil Simms wasn't better than Eli but ask him if he compares himself to Montana. He will give you same answer Eli gave and say yes he was every bit as good as Montana.

loweyecue wrote:Yeah and Marbury said he was the best PG in the NBA. Words are cheap.

Anyone who compares Marbury to Manning is misinformed. He didn't compare himself to Brady. It was a loaded question. He was asked if he felt he belonged in mention with the Brady class and he said yes. People just hate on him because they find it hard to believe he actually won a championship and he's from New York.

Vmart wrote:I think you guys are missing the point on Eli. Its good to have confidence in your abilities. If he thinks he is elite then its his right to think that. Over the years Eli has lost his weapons gradually all his go to targets have been taken away. Palxico, Steve Smith, Amani Toomer, Boss all these guys are gone and now his game is hurting because all the reliable receivers that he had are all gone. Last year he had to work Nicks and Manningham into the rotation still managed to throw over 4,000 yards. How many of his interceptions were deflected into the opponents hand as a result of stone hands by his receivers? Manning is going to bounce back and play effectively he is to good and like it or not he is probably one of the most cerebral QBs out there. It doesn't help that he has to deal with a revamped offensive line to boot. This one is on the GM, Coughlin and Gilbride. The GM this year did a terrible job. Coughlin should have asked Plaxico to come to the Giants instead he steered him away from them. As for Steve Smith I don't think he would have helped much this year anyways. The loss of Boss is another factor. Smith and Boss were his go to targets especially on third down now he has to rely on a bunch of receivers that probably don't know their routes yet.

brady has lost weapons too and adapt like any other qb. every qb has to go through that. however, hakeem nicks is a high ranking wideout but he hardly utilize him. manningham isnt bad either. look, i am giving eli more slack than usual because he delivered a sb but it is wearing thin.

NYKBocker wrote:Hixon is done for the year. WTF is going on?

We are obviously looking forward to the draft. At least someone tell me it wasn't the same ACL. Can't be, right?