martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

This seems like a common tactic on the right.
Scare everyone by claiming one knows the future, promise everything to everyone, when proven wrong say it’s all a conspiracy full of lies.

Funny thing is I own a business in NYC and Tampa.
The ones strongest about the right, including the ones opposing socialist policies are usually the first ones to refuse a normal paying job, first ones in line for unemployment, Medicaid and free food.

In my opinion, most politicians are scumbags and only in it for power and money. It just so happens the right has voted in one of the best politicians in history.
Qatar hated until they give me a plane and business deals in their country.
Saudis, part of 911 until they let me build for free in their country.
Give me all your money to fight the steal, and I’ll just keep it.
Help out my buddy, for a handsome fee, to take over the horrible Chinese tik tok killing our country.
Help my buddies in the oil biz by taking over Venezuelan oil, for a fee. Oh and take a few million barrels for my control. This seems like the best socialist implementation in history.
But if poor people want a piece, throw rocks and call them
Socialists?

At the end of the day, people have to educate themselves on how the rich and powerful obtain and maintain power and wealth. That’s by convincing everyone that they are doing something for their benefit. Then once they have your vote or support they only do what what benefits them the most. Even if it means killing hundreds of thousands of people, taking all their money or enslaving innocent people. In today’s modern society with current technology, this is extremely easy to do. People have an attention span for a killing of about a week. They can be convinced of anything with one post that goes viral. Whether true or not. Be aware of the machine. One that is real good at manipulation. Go out and play some ball and realize everyone is just like you. Trying to have some fun in a world surrounded by ****ed up things and people.

All these replies are full of fear mongering for the opposing political party. It's all gloom and doom and the sky is falling. Lots of conspiracy theory BS and democratic talking points. This forum is an echo chamber for your chosen political affiliation so I don't waste my time trying to form any opposing arguments to your political opinions. I will not change anyones mind or opinion here. I have witnessed the ganging up on forum members with opposing opinions and watched them all leave or be banned so I will not make the same mistakes that they did and engage in meaningful conversation because it always escalates into hysterics and anger. I will say there are a few here who are educated, worldly and informed in their history but that is not the norm.

I lived in NYC my whole life. I left in 2016 and I don't regret it for a minute. I love to visit but I am always glad to leave after a few days, I still own an apartment in NYC which I rent out. Ive been trying to sell it and the current instability is making that impossible. I really don't think NYC is fooked. I do however think it takes years to correct political mistakes and mismanagement. They haven't had a decent mayor since Bloomberg. Mamdani and Hochul seem to be more political animal than serious policy makers. They will blow whichever way popular opinion sends them in search of appeasement, political survival and ultimately political advancement. Hopefully their ambition aligns with the residents of their state.

We have never banned anyone for have a difference of opinion. So get that out of your head.

I thought Briggs was banned largely for being pro Trump

I agree w Rookie about the futility of honest, fair discussion

Forum went from quasi-bar of knicks fans enjoying or rooting for their team even when they were putrid to immature political rallies when the team is finally good

Briggs was complicated as are most of us which is not easy to convey given the economy of words we often use here. Not that I succeed in that most days. Politics are personal values which when pressed we back into our corners rarely if ever to retreat from. In fact most of us don't like to admit when we ae wrong as we dig pour heels in deeper and deeper and thats usually for our players or view on a coach! To debate via a site were we hold ananimity and participants holding various levels of intellectual capaicty it can get very interesting at times. We talk more than we listen. Nothing different than most of our society.
As for Briggs, I recall little detail but he took it to a level were it was uncomfortable for some. Martin can speak perhaps better about it if he is not exhausted from it by now, but my take is if you cross a line your given the opportuity to cool it down or leave. Briggs left. Many years ago I asked to do the same. Keep pressing to prove my points or find a more suitable forum to do so but not here. I choose to stay. I am a guest in this house and Martins rules of decorum are not unreasonable given first and foremost this is a forum about basketball and while we can dip our toes into other subjects its best we stick to what we do. He charges no fees nor subjects us to advertisements. Its his call. One is not censured or denied freedom of speech. One can do it elsewhere.

Some posters sulk and take it personally when called out if proven wrong. That't the prerequisite to getting asked to leave. Feeling victomized not by views but as if one is being "ganged up on". Again, listen rather than talk and sometimes its good to read the room your in. Don't like it? Go to one that is more suitable. Not everyone is open to exchange. They want validation.

The house of Martin has stood over two decades based on a formula that works for most that wish to talk mostly hoop and need to vent or share happy excitement in good times. It succeeds there.

I agree with a lot of what you say but not sure how you’re addressing the part about futility of honest, fair discussion. Are you saying the solution is to read the room and leave if one doesn’t like it?

If so that’s a little sad and seems like a recipe for more polarization. I recall the days when common interest in Knicks (even when they stunk) fostered more trust and interest in the views and life experiences of other forum members. For example I remember learning a lot from knicksluva (sp?) about black history.

I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

How about this? Help me and everyone out in threads like this. There is plenty of opportunity to help nudge the discussion.

I don’t really want to moderate threads like this and would gladly welcome the input.

If you think there isn’t a fair back and forth, help step in to set it right. This applies to everyone.

Fair back and forth goes something like

Person A says something you're not sure you agree with, or you know you disagree with but you're honestly curious how a seemingly intelligent person can have such an opinion.

Fair response from person B: How did you come to that conclusion? WHat's the evidence or logic behind that? What about this other evidence or logic that contradicts your view?

Unfair response: putting words in people's mouths, e.g., "if you think that then you must think [something crazy]" or completely dodging fair responses or criticisms and just respond with an attack eg you're a zionist, fascist etc. I.e., the all too frequent now shouting down or talking over your opponent.

I may be in the minority on this view but this place used to be a refuge from the BS of everyday life and where at least I thought it was safe to raise one's views if done so respectfully.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Re Briggs, it seems like I’ve explained this many times over: I had asked Briggs to keep the non Knicks discussion stuff - ie the political thread - to off topic forum. Asked online and in emails offline. He let me know that he would. Then he kept creating those exact topics and posts in the Knicks forum. I would ask him offline if he would keep to Knicks stuff for the benefit of everybody and he let me know he would. And then he’d be back at it weeks later.

I’d guess it’s the same thing you are alluding to here with your asks: can we just keep to Knicks banter? I don’t mind that.

I got tired of trying to remind him this was a Knicks forum, after lots and lots of offline emails. IMHO Briggs acted like an entitled ******* after I had taken time out of my life to try to persuade him to be better. He didn’t and so I banned him. I don’t have time for adults like that.

I don’t create the off topic threads, it’s others but I respond to them. I’m left to help move discussion, as is anyone.

It’s a collective here. I really have little interest in talking about the major of NCY, but Rookie felt it worthwhile.

Could you or anyone help me by reminding users that the team we like are REALLY good and we could keep to that topic? I’ll make you a moderator so that you can help me move these topics to the Off Topic forum, to share that responsibility with others.

I remember some of that with Briggs and agree he seemed to enjoy stirring things up. And I agree that when you (as moderator) ask him (or anyone) to keep things to "off topic" and he doesn't that's ban-able. Seems fair. Due process, and you're simply asking people to not clutter up the Knicks discussion. IMHO I think it would help things tremendously to move threads (like this one) to off topic

Done. And later today you will also be a mod that will be able to do the same.

Fair enough. I think you have my email address. I will need a tutorial on how to do such.

Chandler wrote:
I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

It's a reflection of the world today. Leaders were more civil then too.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

This seems like a common tactic on the right.
Scare everyone by claiming one knows the future, promise everything to everyone, when proven wrong say it’s all a conspiracy full of lies.

Funny thing is I own a business in NYC and Tampa.
The ones strongest about the right, including the ones opposing socialist policies are usually the first ones to refuse a normal paying job, first ones in line for unemployment, Medicaid and free food.

In my opinion, most politicians are scumbags and only in it for power and money. It just so happens the right has voted in one of the best politicians in history.
Qatar hated until they give me a plane and business deals in their country.
Saudis, part of 911 until they let me build for free in their country.
Give me all your money to fight the steal, and I’ll just keep it.
Help out my buddy, for a handsome fee, to take over the horrible Chinese tik tok killing our country.
Help my buddies in the oil biz by taking over Venezuelan oil, for a fee. Oh and take a few million barrels for my control. This seems like the best socialist implementation in history.
But if poor people want a piece, throw rocks and call them
Socialists?

At the end of the day, people have to educate themselves on how the rich and powerful obtain and maintain power and wealth. That’s by convincing everyone that they are doing something for their benefit. Then once they have your vote or support they only do what what benefits them the most. Even if it means killing hundreds of thousands of people, taking all their money or enslaving innocent people. In today’s modern society with current technology, this is extremely easy to do. People have an attention span for a killing of about a week. They can be convinced of anything with one post that goes viral. Whether true or not. Be aware of the machine. One that is real good at manipulation. Go out and play some ball and realize everyone is just like you. Trying to have some fun in a world surrounded by ****ed up things and people.

All these replies are full of fear mongering for the opposing political party. It's all gloom and doom and the sky is falling. Lots of conspiracy theory BS and democratic talking points. This forum is an echo chamber for your chosen political affiliation so I don't waste my time trying to form any opposing arguments to your political opinions. I will not change anyones mind or opinion here. I have witnessed the ganging up on forum members with opposing opinions and watched them all leave or be banned so I will not make the same mistakes that they did and engage in meaningful conversation because it always escalates into hysterics and anger. I will say there are a few here who are educated, worldly and informed in their history but that is not the norm.

I lived in NYC my whole life. I left in 2016 and I don't regret it for a minute. I love to visit but I am always glad to leave after a few days, I still own an apartment in NYC which I rent out. Ive been trying to sell it and the current instability is making that impossible. I really don't think NYC is fooked. I do however think it takes years to correct political mistakes and mismanagement. They haven't had a decent mayor since Bloomberg. Mamdani and Hochul seem to be more political animal than serious policy makers. They will blow whichever way popular opinion sends them in search of appeasement, political survival and ultimately political advancement. Hopefully their ambition aligns with the residents of their state.

We have never banned anyone for have a difference of opinion. So get that out of your head.

I thought Briggs was banned largely for being pro Trump

I agree w Rookie about the futility of honest, fair discussion

Forum went from quasi-bar of knicks fans enjoying or rooting for their team even when they were putrid to immature political rallies when the team is finally good

Briggs was complicated as are most of us which is not easy to convey given the economy of words we often use here. Not that I succeed in that most days. Politics are personal values which when pressed we back into our corners rarely if ever to retreat from. In fact most of us don't like to admit when we ae wrong as we dig pour heels in deeper and deeper and thats usually for our players or view on a coach! To debate via a site were we hold ananimity and participants holding various levels of intellectual capaicty it can get very interesting at times. We talk more than we listen. Nothing different than most of our society.
As for Briggs, I recall little detail but he took it to a level were it was uncomfortable for some. Martin can speak perhaps better about it if he is not exhausted from it by now, but my take is if you cross a line your given the opportuity to cool it down or leave. Briggs left. Many years ago I asked to do the same. Keep pressing to prove my points or find a more suitable forum to do so but not here. I choose to stay. I am a guest in this house and Martins rules of decorum are not unreasonable given first and foremost this is a forum about basketball and while we can dip our toes into other subjects its best we stick to what we do. He charges no fees nor subjects us to advertisements. Its his call. One is not censured or denied freedom of speech. One can do it elsewhere.

Some posters sulk and take it personally when called out if proven wrong. That't the prerequisite to getting asked to leave. Feeling victomized not by views but as if one is being "ganged up on". Again, listen rather than talk and sometimes its good to read the room your in. Don't like it? Go to one that is more suitable. Not everyone is open to exchange. They want validation.

The house of Martin has stood over two decades based on a formula that works for most that wish to talk mostly hoop and need to vent or share happy excitement in good times. It succeeds there.

I agree with a lot of what you say but not sure how you’re addressing the part about futility of honest, fair discussion. Are you saying the solution is to read the room and leave if one doesn’t like it?

If so that’s a little sad and seems like a recipe for more polarization. I recall the days when common interest in Knicks (even when they stunk) fostered more trust and interest in the views and life experiences of other forum members. For example I remember learning a lot from knicksluva (sp?) about black history.

I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

How about this? Help me and everyone out in threads like this. There is plenty of opportunity to help nudge the discussion.

I don’t really want to moderate threads like this and would gladly welcome the input.

If you think there isn’t a fair back and forth, help step in to set it right. This applies to everyone.

Fair back and forth goes something like

Person A says something you're not sure you agree with, or you know you disagree with but you're honestly curious how a seemingly intelligent person can have such an opinion.

Fair response from person B: How did you come to that conclusion? WHat's the evidence or logic behind that? What about this other evidence or logic that contradicts your view?

Unfair response: putting words in people's mouths, e.g., "if you think that then you must think [something crazy]" or completely dodging fair responses or criticisms and just respond with an attack eg you're a zionist, fascist etc. I.e., the all too frequent now shouting down or talking over your opponent.

I may be in the minority on this view but this place used to be a refuge from the BS of everyday life and where at least I thought it was safe to raise one's views if done so respectfully.

Reread start of thread.

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

Rookie wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

You’re a dick

Perhaps you can help this out.

Phil called me a racist without any fact based merit. That’s a total dick move not to mention a weak attempt at rage baiting

Go ahead and reserve some personal responsibility in the exchange. You created this thread. And then you called someone a dick.

If you want some back and forth on a topic that you feel is important enough for you to create and participate in, then step up to that level of responsibility.

Chandler. Please speak up here.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

This seems like a common tactic on the right.
Scare everyone by claiming one knows the future, promise everything to everyone, when proven wrong say it’s all a conspiracy full of lies.

Funny thing is I own a business in NYC and Tampa.
The ones strongest about the right, including the ones opposing socialist policies are usually the first ones to refuse a normal paying job, first ones in line for unemployment, Medicaid and free food.

In my opinion, most politicians are scumbags and only in it for power and money. It just so happens the right has voted in one of the best politicians in history.
Qatar hated until they give me a plane and business deals in their country.
Saudis, part of 911 until they let me build for free in their country.
Give me all your money to fight the steal, and I’ll just keep it.
Help out my buddy, for a handsome fee, to take over the horrible Chinese tik tok killing our country.
Help my buddies in the oil biz by taking over Venezuelan oil, for a fee. Oh and take a few million barrels for my control. This seems like the best socialist implementation in history.
But if poor people want a piece, throw rocks and call them
Socialists?

At the end of the day, people have to educate themselves on how the rich and powerful obtain and maintain power and wealth. That’s by convincing everyone that they are doing something for their benefit. Then once they have your vote or support they only do what what benefits them the most. Even if it means killing hundreds of thousands of people, taking all their money or enslaving innocent people. In today’s modern society with current technology, this is extremely easy to do. People have an attention span for a killing of about a week. They can be convinced of anything with one post that goes viral. Whether true or not. Be aware of the machine. One that is real good at manipulation. Go out and play some ball and realize everyone is just like you. Trying to have some fun in a world surrounded by ****ed up things and people.

All these replies are full of fear mongering for the opposing political party. It's all gloom and doom and the sky is falling. Lots of conspiracy theory BS and democratic talking points. This forum is an echo chamber for your chosen political affiliation so I don't waste my time trying to form any opposing arguments to your political opinions. I will not change anyones mind or opinion here. I have witnessed the ganging up on forum members with opposing opinions and watched them all leave or be banned so I will not make the same mistakes that they did and engage in meaningful conversation because it always escalates into hysterics and anger. I will say there are a few here who are educated, worldly and informed in their history but that is not the norm.

I lived in NYC my whole life. I left in 2016 and I don't regret it for a minute. I love to visit but I am always glad to leave after a few days, I still own an apartment in NYC which I rent out. Ive been trying to sell it and the current instability is making that impossible. I really don't think NYC is fooked. I do however think it takes years to correct political mistakes and mismanagement. They haven't had a decent mayor since Bloomberg. Mamdani and Hochul seem to be more political animal than serious policy makers. They will blow whichever way popular opinion sends them in search of appeasement, political survival and ultimately political advancement. Hopefully their ambition aligns with the residents of their state.

We have never banned anyone for have a difference of opinion. So get that out of your head.

I thought Briggs was banned largely for being pro Trump

I agree w Rookie about the futility of honest, fair discussion

Forum went from quasi-bar of knicks fans enjoying or rooting for their team even when they were putrid to immature political rallies when the team is finally good

Briggs was complicated as are most of us which is not easy to convey given the economy of words we often use here. Not that I succeed in that most days. Politics are personal values which when pressed we back into our corners rarely if ever to retreat from. In fact most of us don't like to admit when we ae wrong as we dig pour heels in deeper and deeper and thats usually for our players or view on a coach! To debate via a site were we hold ananimity and participants holding various levels of intellectual capaicty it can get very interesting at times. We talk more than we listen. Nothing different than most of our society.
As for Briggs, I recall little detail but he took it to a level were it was uncomfortable for some. Martin can speak perhaps better about it if he is not exhausted from it by now, but my take is if you cross a line your given the opportuity to cool it down or leave. Briggs left. Many years ago I asked to do the same. Keep pressing to prove my points or find a more suitable forum to do so but not here. I choose to stay. I am a guest in this house and Martins rules of decorum are not unreasonable given first and foremost this is a forum about basketball and while we can dip our toes into other subjects its best we stick to what we do. He charges no fees nor subjects us to advertisements. Its his call. One is not censured or denied freedom of speech. One can do it elsewhere.

Some posters sulk and take it personally when called out if proven wrong. That't the prerequisite to getting asked to leave. Feeling victomized not by views but as if one is being "ganged up on". Again, listen rather than talk and sometimes its good to read the room your in. Don't like it? Go to one that is more suitable. Not everyone is open to exchange. They want validation.

The house of Martin has stood over two decades based on a formula that works for most that wish to talk mostly hoop and need to vent or share happy excitement in good times. It succeeds there.

I agree with a lot of what you say but not sure how you’re addressing the part about futility of honest, fair discussion. Are you saying the solution is to read the room and leave if one doesn’t like it?

If so that’s a little sad and seems like a recipe for more polarization. I recall the days when common interest in Knicks (even when they stunk) fostered more trust and interest in the views and life experiences of other forum members. For example I remember learning a lot from knicksluva (sp?) about black history.

I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

How about this? Help me and everyone out in threads like this. There is plenty of opportunity to help nudge the discussion.

I don’t really want to moderate threads like this and would gladly welcome the input.

If you think there isn’t a fair back and forth, help step in to set it right. This applies to everyone.

Fair back and forth goes something like

Person A says something you're not sure you agree with, or you know you disagree with but you're honestly curious how a seemingly intelligent person can have such an opinion.

Fair response from person B: How did you come to that conclusion? WHat's the evidence or logic behind that? What about this other evidence or logic that contradicts your view?

Unfair response: putting words in people's mouths, e.g., "if you think that then you must think [something crazy]" or completely dodging fair responses or criticisms and just respond with an attack eg you're a zionist, fascist etc. I.e., the all too frequent now shouting down or talking over your opponent.

I may be in the minority on this view but this place used to be a refuge from the BS of everyday life and where at least I thought it was safe to raise one's views if done so respectfully.

Reread start of thread.

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

Rookie wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

You’re a dick

Perhaps you can help this out.

Phil called me a racist without any fact based merit. That’s a total dick move not to mention a weak attempt at rage baiting

Go ahead and reserve some personal responsibility in the exchange. You created this thread. And then you called someone a dick.

If you want some back and forth on a topic that you feel is important enough for you to create and participate in, then step up to that level of responsibility.

Chandler. Please speak up here.

When did I make any reference to the mayors race or religion? I never mentioned race or religion and it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you or anyone else want to debate race or religion please start your own thread. This is just another adolescent attempt by Phil to provoke a negative reaction. The purpose is to provoke. I did not and will not discuss race or religion on this or any other forum. I called Phil’s childish and baseless race baiting attempt what it is, a dick move and I’ll say it again. I have zero respect for Phil and his attempts to be provocative.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

This seems like a common tactic on the right.
Scare everyone by claiming one knows the future, promise everything to everyone, when proven wrong say it’s all a conspiracy full of lies.

Funny thing is I own a business in NYC and Tampa.
The ones strongest about the right, including the ones opposing socialist policies are usually the first ones to refuse a normal paying job, first ones in line for unemployment, Medicaid and free food.

In my opinion, most politicians are scumbags and only in it for power and money. It just so happens the right has voted in one of the best politicians in history.
Qatar hated until they give me a plane and business deals in their country.
Saudis, part of 911 until they let me build for free in their country.
Give me all your money to fight the steal, and I’ll just keep it.
Help out my buddy, for a handsome fee, to take over the horrible Chinese tik tok killing our country.
Help my buddies in the oil biz by taking over Venezuelan oil, for a fee. Oh and take a few million barrels for my control. This seems like the best socialist implementation in history.
But if poor people want a piece, throw rocks and call them
Socialists?

At the end of the day, people have to educate themselves on how the rich and powerful obtain and maintain power and wealth. That’s by convincing everyone that they are doing something for their benefit. Then once they have your vote or support they only do what what benefits them the most. Even if it means killing hundreds of thousands of people, taking all their money or enslaving innocent people. In today’s modern society with current technology, this is extremely easy to do. People have an attention span for a killing of about a week. They can be convinced of anything with one post that goes viral. Whether true or not. Be aware of the machine. One that is real good at manipulation. Go out and play some ball and realize everyone is just like you. Trying to have some fun in a world surrounded by ****ed up things and people.

All these replies are full of fear mongering for the opposing political party. It's all gloom and doom and the sky is falling. Lots of conspiracy theory BS and democratic talking points. This forum is an echo chamber for your chosen political affiliation so I don't waste my time trying to form any opposing arguments to your political opinions. I will not change anyones mind or opinion here. I have witnessed the ganging up on forum members with opposing opinions and watched them all leave or be banned so I will not make the same mistakes that they did and engage in meaningful conversation because it always escalates into hysterics and anger. I will say there are a few here who are educated, worldly and informed in their history but that is not the norm.

I lived in NYC my whole life. I left in 2016 and I don't regret it for a minute. I love to visit but I am always glad to leave after a few days, I still own an apartment in NYC which I rent out. Ive been trying to sell it and the current instability is making that impossible. I really don't think NYC is fooked. I do however think it takes years to correct political mistakes and mismanagement. They haven't had a decent mayor since Bloomberg. Mamdani and Hochul seem to be more political animal than serious policy makers. They will blow whichever way popular opinion sends them in search of appeasement, political survival and ultimately political advancement. Hopefully their ambition aligns with the residents of their state.

We have never banned anyone for have a difference of opinion. So get that out of your head.

I thought Briggs was banned largely for being pro Trump

I agree w Rookie about the futility of honest, fair discussion

Forum went from quasi-bar of knicks fans enjoying or rooting for their team even when they were putrid to immature political rallies when the team is finally good

Briggs was complicated as are most of us which is not easy to convey given the economy of words we often use here. Not that I succeed in that most days. Politics are personal values which when pressed we back into our corners rarely if ever to retreat from. In fact most of us don't like to admit when we ae wrong as we dig pour heels in deeper and deeper and thats usually for our players or view on a coach! To debate via a site were we hold ananimity and participants holding various levels of intellectual capaicty it can get very interesting at times. We talk more than we listen. Nothing different than most of our society.
As for Briggs, I recall little detail but he took it to a level were it was uncomfortable for some. Martin can speak perhaps better about it if he is not exhausted from it by now, but my take is if you cross a line your given the opportuity to cool it down or leave. Briggs left. Many years ago I asked to do the same. Keep pressing to prove my points or find a more suitable forum to do so but not here. I choose to stay. I am a guest in this house and Martins rules of decorum are not unreasonable given first and foremost this is a forum about basketball and while we can dip our toes into other subjects its best we stick to what we do. He charges no fees nor subjects us to advertisements. Its his call. One is not censured or denied freedom of speech. One can do it elsewhere.

Some posters sulk and take it personally when called out if proven wrong. That't the prerequisite to getting asked to leave. Feeling victomized not by views but as if one is being "ganged up on". Again, listen rather than talk and sometimes its good to read the room your in. Don't like it? Go to one that is more suitable. Not everyone is open to exchange. They want validation.

The house of Martin has stood over two decades based on a formula that works for most that wish to talk mostly hoop and need to vent or share happy excitement in good times. It succeeds there.

I agree with a lot of what you say but not sure how you’re addressing the part about futility of honest, fair discussion. Are you saying the solution is to read the room and leave if one doesn’t like it?

If so that’s a little sad and seems like a recipe for more polarization. I recall the days when common interest in Knicks (even when they stunk) fostered more trust and interest in the views and life experiences of other forum members. For example I remember learning a lot from knicksluva (sp?) about black history.

I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

How about this? Help me and everyone out in threads like this. There is plenty of opportunity to help nudge the discussion.

I don’t really want to moderate threads like this and would gladly welcome the input.

If you think there isn’t a fair back and forth, help step in to set it right. This applies to everyone.

Fair back and forth goes something like

Person A says something you're not sure you agree with, or you know you disagree with but you're honestly curious how a seemingly intelligent person can have such an opinion.

Fair response from person B: How did you come to that conclusion? WHat's the evidence or logic behind that? What about this other evidence or logic that contradicts your view?

Unfair response: putting words in people's mouths, e.g., "if you think that then you must think [something crazy]" or completely dodging fair responses or criticisms and just respond with an attack eg you're a zionist, fascist etc. I.e., the all too frequent now shouting down or talking over your opponent.

I may be in the minority on this view but this place used to be a refuge from the BS of everyday life and where at least I thought it was safe to raise one's views if done so respectfully.

Reread start of thread.

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

Rookie wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

You’re a dick

Perhaps you can help this out.

Phil called me a racist without any fact based merit. That’s a total dick move not to mention a weak attempt at rage baiting

Go ahead and reserve some personal responsibility in the exchange. You created this thread. And then you called someone a dick.

If you want some back and forth on a topic that you feel is important enough for you to create and participate in, then step up to that level of responsibility.

Chandler. Please speak up here.

I did go back and read everything as you suggested. I do think that much of the thread largely discussed things responsibly, e.g., why do you think that, person states reasons, people saying why or why not they were moved or unmoved by the logic or evidence.

FWIW I think both you and Rookie have fair points. Rookie said NYC is fooked, ostensibly because everything would now be free; you asked why? to me this seems exactly the way to proceed. Rookie said he's worried about his kid and safety in NY under elected Mayor (responsive but not really connected to original post that everything being free)

Phil accused Rookie of being an Islamaphobe. "NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered". Rookie called Phil a dick.

I can appreciate that Phil may have been angered by Rookies original post but IMO it seems out of bounds to me to immediately accuse Islamaphobia. I can cite other situations in this thread where Phil's modus operandi seems similarly willing to attack and insult rather than question.

I agree with you, and in my view Rookie should accept some responsibility for starting the thread the way he did and when he did; he should acknowledge it was provocative on an emotional topic and unsurprisingly it provoked a response. NY had just elected a new mayor; let the supporters have their day rather than simply say NYC is fooked, knowing that there would be some fervent believers to the contrary

I also agree with Rookie and think Phil should accept responsibility for the accusation. It's just irresponsible to throw those accusations out. I appreciate Phil may have been triggered by Rookie original post but we should have more restraint on the islamaphobia, racist, or other accusations. Things might have turned out differently if you simply said let us have our day, don't be a jerk

Philc1 wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

This seems like a common tactic on the right.
Scare everyone by claiming one knows the future, promise everything to everyone, when proven wrong say it’s all a conspiracy full of lies.

Funny thing is I own a business in NYC and Tampa.
The ones strongest about the right, including the ones opposing socialist policies are usually the first ones to refuse a normal paying job, first ones in line for unemployment, Medicaid and free food.

In my opinion, most politicians are scumbags and only in it for power and money. It just so happens the right has voted in one of the best politicians in history.
Qatar hated until they give me a plane and business deals in their country.
Saudis, part of 911 until they let me build for free in their country.
Give me all your money to fight the steal, and I’ll just keep it.
Help out my buddy, for a handsome fee, to take over the horrible Chinese tik tok killing our country.
Help my buddies in the oil biz by taking over Venezuelan oil, for a fee. Oh and take a few million barrels for my control. This seems like the best socialist implementation in history.
But if poor people want a piece, throw rocks and call them
Socialists?

At the end of the day, people have to educate themselves on how the rich and powerful obtain and maintain power and wealth. That’s by convincing everyone that they are doing something for their benefit. Then once they have your vote or support they only do what what benefits them the most. Even if it means killing hundreds of thousands of people, taking all their money or enslaving innocent people. In today’s modern society with current technology, this is extremely easy to do. People have an attention span for a killing of about a week. They can be convinced of anything with one post that goes viral. Whether true or not. Be aware of the machine. One that is real good at manipulation. Go out and play some ball and realize everyone is just like you. Trying to have some fun in a world surrounded by ****ed up things and people.

All these replies are full of fear mongering for the opposing political party. It's all gloom and doom and the sky is falling. Lots of conspiracy theory BS and democratic talking points. This forum is an echo chamber for your chosen political affiliation so I don't waste my time trying to form any opposing arguments to your political opinions. I will not change anyones mind or opinion here. I have witnessed the ganging up on forum members with opposing opinions and watched them all leave or be banned so I will not make the same mistakes that they did and engage in meaningful conversation because it always escalates into hysterics and anger. I will say there are a few here who are educated, worldly and informed in their history but that is not the norm.

I lived in NYC my whole life. I left in 2016 and I don't regret it for a minute. I love to visit but I am always glad to leave after a few days, I still own an apartment in NYC which I rent out. Ive been trying to sell it and the current instability is making that impossible. I really don't think NYC is fooked. I do however think it takes years to correct political mistakes and mismanagement. They haven't had a decent mayor since Bloomberg. Mamdani and Hochul seem to be more political animal than serious policy makers. They will blow whichever way popular opinion sends them in search of appeasement, political survival and ultimately political advancement. Hopefully their ambition aligns with the residents of their state.

We have never banned anyone for have a difference of opinion. So get that out of your head.

I thought Briggs was banned largely for being pro Trump

I agree w Rookie about the futility of honest, fair discussion

Forum went from quasi-bar of knicks fans enjoying or rooting for their team even when they were putrid to immature political rallies when the team is finally good

Briggs was complicated as are most of us which is not easy to convey given the economy of words we often use here. Not that I succeed in that most days. Politics are personal values which when pressed we back into our corners rarely if ever to retreat from. In fact most of us don't like to admit when we ae wrong as we dig pour heels in deeper and deeper and thats usually for our players or view on a coach! To debate via a site were we hold ananimity and participants holding various levels of intellectual capaicty it can get very interesting at times. We talk more than we listen. Nothing different than most of our society.
As for Briggs, I recall little detail but he took it to a level were it was uncomfortable for some. Martin can speak perhaps better about it if he is not exhausted from it by now, but my take is if you cross a line your given the opportuity to cool it down or leave. Briggs left. Many years ago I asked to do the same. Keep pressing to prove my points or find a more suitable forum to do so but not here. I choose to stay. I am a guest in this house and Martins rules of decorum are not unreasonable given first and foremost this is a forum about basketball and while we can dip our toes into other subjects its best we stick to what we do. He charges no fees nor subjects us to advertisements. Its his call. One is not censured or denied freedom of speech. One can do it elsewhere.

Some posters sulk and take it personally when called out if proven wrong. That't the prerequisite to getting asked to leave. Feeling victomized not by views but as if one is being "ganged up on". Again, listen rather than talk and sometimes its good to read the room your in. Don't like it? Go to one that is more suitable. Not everyone is open to exchange. They want validation.

The house of Martin has stood over two decades based on a formula that works for most that wish to talk mostly hoop and need to vent or share happy excitement in good times. It succeeds there.

I agree with a lot of what you say but not sure how you’re addressing the part about futility of honest, fair discussion. Are you saying the solution is to read the room and leave if one doesn’t like it?

If so that’s a little sad and seems like a recipe for more polarization. I recall the days when common interest in Knicks (even when they stunk) fostered more trust and interest in the views and life experiences of other forum members. For example I remember learning a lot from knicksluva (sp?) about black history.

I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

How about this? Help me and everyone out in threads like this. There is plenty of opportunity to help nudge the discussion.

I don’t really want to moderate threads like this and would gladly welcome the input.

If you think there isn’t a fair back and forth, help step in to set it right. This applies to everyone.

Fair back and forth goes something like

Person A says something you're not sure you agree with, or you know you disagree with but you're honestly curious how a seemingly intelligent person can have such an opinion.

Fair response from person B: How did you come to that conclusion? WHat's the evidence or logic behind that? What about this other evidence or logic that contradicts your view?

Unfair response: putting words in people's mouths, e.g., "if you think that then you must think [something crazy]" or completely dodging fair responses or criticisms and just respond with an attack eg you're a zionist, fascist etc. I.e., the all too frequent now shouting down or talking over your opponent.

I may be in the minority on this view but this place used to be a refuge from the BS of everyday life and where at least I thought it was safe to raise one's views if done so respectfully.

Reread start of thread.

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

Rookie wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

You’re a dick

Perhaps you can help this out.

Phil called me a racist without any fact based merit. That’s a total dick move not to mention a weak attempt at rage baiting

Go ahead and reserve some personal responsibility in the exchange. You created this thread. And then you called someone a dick.

If you want some back and forth on a topic that you feel is important enough for you to create and participate in, then step up to that level of responsibility.

Chandler. Please speak up here.

When did I make any reference to the mayors race or religion? I never mentioned race or religion and it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you or anyone else want to debate race or religion please start your own thread. This is just another adolescent attempt by Phil to provoke a negative reaction. The purpose is to provoke. I did not and will not discuss race or religion on this or any other forum. I called Phil’s childish and baseless race baiting attempt what it is, a dick move and I’ll say it again. I have zero respect for Phil and his attempts to be provocative.

But you get to call Mamdani an anti-Semite without him ever saying anything anti-Semitic

Phil this is incorrect. I just re-checked. You are confusing Phil with Big Red -- who at least provided a half dozen links as his basis and his reasoning. Naturally you and everyone else are free to disagree with the characterization. But it wasn't Rookie

Philc1 wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

This seems like a common tactic on the right.
Scare everyone by claiming one knows the future, promise everything to everyone, when proven wrong say it’s all a conspiracy full of lies.

Funny thing is I own a business in NYC and Tampa.
The ones strongest about the right, including the ones opposing socialist policies are usually the first ones to refuse a normal paying job, first ones in line for unemployment, Medicaid and free food.

In my opinion, most politicians are scumbags and only in it for power and money. It just so happens the right has voted in one of the best politicians in history.
Qatar hated until they give me a plane and business deals in their country.
Saudis, part of 911 until they let me build for free in their country.
Give me all your money to fight the steal, and I’ll just keep it.
Help out my buddy, for a handsome fee, to take over the horrible Chinese tik tok killing our country.
Help my buddies in the oil biz by taking over Venezuelan oil, for a fee. Oh and take a few million barrels for my control. This seems like the best socialist implementation in history.
But if poor people want a piece, throw rocks and call them
Socialists?

At the end of the day, people have to educate themselves on how the rich and powerful obtain and maintain power and wealth. That’s by convincing everyone that they are doing something for their benefit. Then once they have your vote or support they only do what what benefits them the most. Even if it means killing hundreds of thousands of people, taking all their money or enslaving innocent people. In today’s modern society with current technology, this is extremely easy to do. People have an attention span for a killing of about a week. They can be convinced of anything with one post that goes viral. Whether true or not. Be aware of the machine. One that is real good at manipulation. Go out and play some ball and realize everyone is just like you. Trying to have some fun in a world surrounded by ****ed up things and people.

All these replies are full of fear mongering for the opposing political party. It's all gloom and doom and the sky is falling. Lots of conspiracy theory BS and democratic talking points. This forum is an echo chamber for your chosen political affiliation so I don't waste my time trying to form any opposing arguments to your political opinions. I will not change anyones mind or opinion here. I have witnessed the ganging up on forum members with opposing opinions and watched them all leave or be banned so I will not make the same mistakes that they did and engage in meaningful conversation because it always escalates into hysterics and anger. I will say there are a few here who are educated, worldly and informed in their history but that is not the norm.

I lived in NYC my whole life. I left in 2016 and I don't regret it for a minute. I love to visit but I am always glad to leave after a few days, I still own an apartment in NYC which I rent out. Ive been trying to sell it and the current instability is making that impossible. I really don't think NYC is fooked. I do however think it takes years to correct political mistakes and mismanagement. They haven't had a decent mayor since Bloomberg. Mamdani and Hochul seem to be more political animal than serious policy makers. They will blow whichever way popular opinion sends them in search of appeasement, political survival and ultimately political advancement. Hopefully their ambition aligns with the residents of their state.

We have never banned anyone for have a difference of opinion. So get that out of your head.

I thought Briggs was banned largely for being pro Trump

I agree w Rookie about the futility of honest, fair discussion

Forum went from quasi-bar of knicks fans enjoying or rooting for their team even when they were putrid to immature political rallies when the team is finally good

Briggs was complicated as are most of us which is not easy to convey given the economy of words we often use here. Not that I succeed in that most days. Politics are personal values which when pressed we back into our corners rarely if ever to retreat from. In fact most of us don't like to admit when we ae wrong as we dig pour heels in deeper and deeper and thats usually for our players or view on a coach! To debate via a site were we hold ananimity and participants holding various levels of intellectual capaicty it can get very interesting at times. We talk more than we listen. Nothing different than most of our society.
As for Briggs, I recall little detail but he took it to a level were it was uncomfortable for some. Martin can speak perhaps better about it if he is not exhausted from it by now, but my take is if you cross a line your given the opportuity to cool it down or leave. Briggs left. Many years ago I asked to do the same. Keep pressing to prove my points or find a more suitable forum to do so but not here. I choose to stay. I am a guest in this house and Martins rules of decorum are not unreasonable given first and foremost this is a forum about basketball and while we can dip our toes into other subjects its best we stick to what we do. He charges no fees nor subjects us to advertisements. Its his call. One is not censured or denied freedom of speech. One can do it elsewhere.

Some posters sulk and take it personally when called out if proven wrong. That't the prerequisite to getting asked to leave. Feeling victomized not by views but as if one is being "ganged up on". Again, listen rather than talk and sometimes its good to read the room your in. Don't like it? Go to one that is more suitable. Not everyone is open to exchange. They want validation.

The house of Martin has stood over two decades based on a formula that works for most that wish to talk mostly hoop and need to vent or share happy excitement in good times. It succeeds there.

I agree with a lot of what you say but not sure how you’re addressing the part about futility of honest, fair discussion. Are you saying the solution is to read the room and leave if one doesn’t like it?

If so that’s a little sad and seems like a recipe for more polarization. I recall the days when common interest in Knicks (even when they stunk) fostered more trust and interest in the views and life experiences of other forum members. For example I remember learning a lot from knicksluva (sp?) about black history.

I might be wrong in my recollection but the place seemed to be more civil and less polarized and that made this place special.

How about this? Help me and everyone out in threads like this. There is plenty of opportunity to help nudge the discussion.

I don’t really want to moderate threads like this and would gladly welcome the input.

If you think there isn’t a fair back and forth, help step in to set it right. This applies to everyone.

Fair back and forth goes something like

Person A says something you're not sure you agree with, or you know you disagree with but you're honestly curious how a seemingly intelligent person can have such an opinion.

Fair response from person B: How did you come to that conclusion? WHat's the evidence or logic behind that? What about this other evidence or logic that contradicts your view?

Unfair response: putting words in people's mouths, e.g., "if you think that then you must think [something crazy]" or completely dodging fair responses or criticisms and just respond with an attack eg you're a zionist, fascist etc. I.e., the all too frequent now shouting down or talking over your opponent.

I may be in the minority on this view but this place used to be a refuge from the BS of everyday life and where at least I thought it was safe to raise one's views if done so respectfully.

Reread start of thread.

Rookie wrote:LOL NYC you are fooked.

Rookie wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

You’re a dick

Perhaps you can help this out.

Phil called me a racist without any fact based merit. That’s a total dick move not to mention a weak attempt at rage baiting

Go ahead and reserve some personal responsibility in the exchange. You created this thread. And then you called someone a dick.

If you want some back and forth on a topic that you feel is important enough for you to create and participate in, then step up to that level of responsibility.

Chandler. Please speak up here.

When did I make any reference to the mayors race or religion? I never mentioned race or religion and it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you or anyone else want to debate race or religion please start your own thread. This is just another adolescent attempt by Phil to provoke a negative reaction. The purpose is to provoke. I did not and will not discuss race or religion on this or any other forum. I called Phil’s childish and baseless race baiting attempt what it is, a dick move and I’ll say it again. I have zero respect for Phil and his attempts to be provocative.

But you get to call Mamdani an anti-Semite without him ever saying anything anti-Semitic

Your ability to make things up to suit your narrative is beyond compare. Show me where I have called Mamdani or anyone an anti-Semite.

BlueKnickers wrote:The DOJ (AKA Trump's Dept. of Vendettas) has launched an "investigation" into Minnesota's Governor and Minneapolis' Mayor while Trump pledges complete immunity for the masked brownshirts with no badges called ICE.

The streets of Minnesota are now a war zone. This is the civil war Trump, Miller and Vought have been pushing for. They want violence, because their counter is more state-sanctioned violence.

Every unemployed psychopath who dreams of wearing a uniform and getting away with anything they feel like doing is signing up for ICE duties. You get a fat bonus too! Past criminal records is not a bug, it's a feature. Failed your ICE drug test? Don't worry, we won't tell anyone. You like to play rough and break the law? ICE is the right job for you.

This is not going to be mediated into a resolution between two sides willing to reason. This is the game plan.

To this day you still see people react by clutching their pearls when the obvious relationship between Hitler's playbook and Trump's game plan are made.

How much more does anyone require to understand they will try to cancel the mid-terms if they feel they can pull it off?

This is a total dismantling of American laws and a takeover of everything by a small group of power-crazed people that some of you may have voted for. Time to smell the coffee.

The latest iteration of American Republican politics operates on only one principle: obtain total control at any cost. That includes our lives which hold no value to them.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/16/ice-tactics-in-twin-cities-turn-toward-intimidation

“Videos shared with MPR News show agents outside the bakery dragging a handcuffed Brauch — a 40-year-old artist who stands a slight 5 feet 4 inches tall — across the road. Agents attempted to stuff her into the backseat of an SUV . . .

Brauch described a terrifying drive to the detention center. She said one of the agents strangled her and then painfully groped her breasts as they forced her into the vehicle. In the car, Brauch said agents never put on her seat belt and were driving erratically. She said the agent in the passenger seat was ranting and insulting her in what Brauch described as an ‘uncontrollable rage.’

At one point, she said he reached into the back seat, grabbed her by the handcuffs, and used all his strength to yank her repeatedly around the back of the car. She told him: ‘You’re breaking my hands, you’re breaking my hands.’ He told her: ‘I don’t f–ing care. Shut the f– up. Shut the f– up.’”

She now has braces on both hands, with nerve and tissue damage and a possible fracture.

Martin I don't know how to move things or if that's even possible but if so this seems like it should be its own thread. Has nothing to do with NYC thread

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Statement from Norwegian Prime Minister about Trump letter:

Statement from Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre regarding communications with President Donald Trump.
'I can confirm that this is a text message that I received yesterday afternoon from President Trump. It came in response to a short text message from me to President Trump sent earlier on the same day, on behalf of myself and the President of Finland Alexander Stubb. In our message to Trump we conveyed our opposition to his announced tariff increases against Norway, Finland and select other countries. We pointed to the need to de-escalate and proposed a telephone conversation between Trump, Stubb and myself on the same day. The response from Trump came shortly after the message was sent. It was his decision to share his message with other NATO leaders,' said Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre.
'Norway’s position on Greenland is clear. Greenland is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, and Norway fully supports the Kingdom of Denmark on this matter. We also support that NATO in a responsible way is taking steps to strengthen security and stability in the Arctic. As regards the Nobel Peace Prize, I have clearly explained, including to president Trump what is well known, the prize is awarded by an independent Nobel Committee and not the Norwegian Government,' said the Prime Minister.