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1/21/2025  8:30 AM
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VDesai wrote:The vision is being clouded by the Jekyl and Hyde play of OG and Mikal. Wingstop gets all the minutes, but they don't defend all game, cant score off the dribble and run hot and cold on open shooting.

These two havent played the consistent roles they are supposed to in the vision.

How do we trade one of them? Can we do a 1 for 2? I feel like this team is the team they are all in on.

this is why players play hard for Thibs and he's a great coach. Never. You dont trade one. You get them right. If it takes time fine.
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1/21/2025  9:20 AM
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1/21/2025  11:30 AM
OG has a 25 game stretch of being not good including shooting <32% during that stretch. I expect us to get him going. He's the 4th option at best right now.

Still lots of room for improvement from within. I think all the minutes together help.

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1/22/2025  11:25 AM
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1/22/2025  1:20 PM
fishmike wrote:OG has a 25 game stretch of being not good including shooting <32% during that stretch. I expect us to get him going. He's the 4th option at best right now.

Still lots of room for improvement from within. I think all the minutes together help.

His shooting has been mostly bad since the 40 pt game, though he sprinkles in 1 good game every 4-5 it seems. Something overall is wrong with his 3 pt shot. Since he came here was really consistent from the corners and generally pretty money when he's shooting open 3s. He just is not knocking them down right now and the lack of consistency from 3 between him and Bridges really constrains the offense.

Last year DDV would put up 12-15 3s per game and would also shoot from deep, so it really stretched the floor and crated that threat for us. I don't think teams need to respect our 3's that much this year. Now with KAT hamstrung by the thumb that's another deep threat that goes out the window and teams can collapse on our drives or pressure Brunson on the corners and we're not finding ways out of it.

Even Brunson has struggled to find openings for pull up 3s and has shot poorly from deep lately.
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1/22/2025  3:07 PM
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1/24/2025  12:40 PM
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1/26/2025  1:37 PM
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1/26/2025  2:34 PM
martin wrote:Just takes time

I have said that MR starting at the 5 and KAT at 4 will happen.
Although, tbh, Josh has been the ultimate glue guy.

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1/26/2025  4:49 PM
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martin wrote:Just takes time

I have said that MR starting at the 5 and KAT at 4 will happen.
Although, tbh, Josh has been the ultimate glue guy.

That quote from josh was from October 19th. He is not lost. His playmaking is very much evolved.
Takes a while for teammates to get acclimated. I'd guess Josh is not going to the bench.
Mitch has to become indispensable and kick ass before that becomes a reality. Mitch hasn't to played since May 5th.
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1/28/2025  7:35 AM
Wingstop (Bridges and OG) 10 assists, 7 steals, 3 blks #vision
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1/28/2025  8:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2025  12:22 PM
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:Just takes time

I have said that MR starting at the 5 and KAT at 4 will happen.
Although, tbh, Josh has been the ultimate glue guy.

That quote from josh was from October 19th. He is not lost. His playmaking is very much evolved.
Takes a while for teammates to get acclimated. I'd guess Josh is not going to the bench.
Mitch has to become indispensable and kick ass before that becomes a reality. Mitch hasn't to played since May 5th.

My take comes not from his quote or lack of strong play.
He is having a great year!
It is based on the need for a rim protector.
Have seen several games where a strong shot creator, regardless of having OG or Bridges on them, gets into paint and has no real challenge getting to rim. Additionally, feel that forces defense to collapse and leave open the three point shooters after a kick out and rotation pass.

Secondly, as good as Josh is, belief he will help the second unit more than he would the first unit. Addressing a weakness we have has all year.

And it’s not like I’m saying Josh will be relegated to back up minutes. As we have seen Thibs uses the lineups he feel are most efficient. And Josh has been on top of his list regardless of whether he starts.

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1/28/2025  9:50 AM
Josh should start. I think Thibs would never take Josh off the floor if he could (and we've seen that play out in real life). But you want Josh out there and just because you're adding a rim protector doesn't mean Josh should be the one coming off, though he will lose some minutes. Josh does an incredible amount for the team that no one else really offers on the roster.

I think there are matchups where you want/need the rim protection and there are matchups where its less important. And then there's the question of how many minutes per game is it required. Quite honestly at times I'd like to rest OG and put a true 4 out there (and occasionally Precious' defensive versatility has been useful). I'd also say that when Mitch comes back there will be matchups you want him out there instead of KAT - and those will be way more frequent than having him play with KAT.

But I don't think there's any circumstance where Josh isn't starting or playing close to 35 minutes.
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1/28/2025  10:56 AM
Josh stays... Starting 5 is locked in stone and it's ****ing fantastic. Bridges is a true 3rd star. What he did on Jah last night was nuts. Morant just wanted out.

"Let this game end cause this sucks" ~Jah being guarded by Bridges

I've been watching OG away from the ball alot, especially on defense. He's tired and it's clearly because he's guarding 4s and doing an amazing job. He really blanketed JJJ last night and that tiring man.

Bridges is wild as a 3rd scoring option, and then you have OG/Josh who smash whoever you are trying to hide on them

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1/28/2025  12:22 PM
When Jah was confronted a few times with OG in the paint he just gave up. There was no where to go and it was a turnover. Was insane.

Bridges and OG have just been so hot and cold offensively. I never watched Bridges enough to know if he was always this streaky. I think if you look at the number totals for the year they all look really good, but its really been 1 month on, 1 month off.

Actually the secret seems to be these guys need to stop short of scoring 40. Both of them had an extended cold spell after their 40 point games this year.
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1/28/2025  12:23 PM
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1/28/2025  12:24 PM
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