martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Alpha1971 wrote:

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MS wrote:Thibs ****ing sucks. Facts.

What is he watching, bench the kid now. He hasn’t had it all game. That’s 5 tos

Breath then count to ten 🤣

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:Barrett is hard on the eyes

Even coach K be like What The Fuck

I think he and Randle have it in their heads that they need to dominate the ball. The ball movement slows down with both of them. They play similar styles, get the ball, go… but Randle gets shots off earlier if not better, Barrett doesn’t have the height or athleticism to get the shot off. When both guys stay within their game and don’t over dribble, it’s a much better look for the team. Problem is that Randle is making a lot of bad shots so he thinks they are good shots. Barrett is taking a lot of bad shots and telegraphing it to the point of comically good defense on him (airmailing his shot into the stands).

I think they need to tighten up their game and get Grimes involved more. Once they get Grimes hot, the game will get easier for both of them. Once they get a real vibe with Robinson as a release valve, the game will get easier. They are playing well, but I think this team may actually have another level they can rise to.

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Development? Knicks fans don’t know that word.

With the josh hart trade, we can relax now n RJ now. He’s officially back into development training while hart is our closer. If it ain’t broken, thibs will not fix it. That’s the one thing I believe makes him consistent.

blkexec wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Development? Knicks fans don’t know that word.

With the josh hart trade, we can relax now n RJ now. He’s officially back into development training while hart is our closer. If it ain’t broken, thibs will not fix it. That’s the one thing I believe makes him consistent.

Time lines………
Knicks can fix Randle and they did fix IQ.
In fact, IQ might still have another gear to go? Still young.
Grimes? That also. The Thibs/Bryant and staff path has them taking strides, then falling back. RJ is doing some things better and many things not.
Bottom line is Jhart and Quick are getting the minutes and the team is winning.
All this and not every player has to have a great night to do so. Thats impressive. Team.
What happens off season will happen in due time.
Some of you negative mongers don’t know how to ignore the bad when good things are happening.
RJ is playing bad but team wins. Thibs either believes in him to keep growing or he’ll bench his ass in due time.

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

These are nice facts about Jaylen Brown but really hold zero weight and a literal zero to do with anything RJ is doing. I don't know how one situation informs the other outside of age.

The Knicks have done a pretty good job at putting RJ into the positions he needs to be in to get better.

What do you see from RJ that would lead you to believe he is using those opportunities to get better and what has he gotten better at over the past years? Go for the really not obvious, low hanging fruit stuff like having a higher % at the rim or his increasing FT% that is almost to league average now. What's after that?

Knicks are just about at the inflection point in their team building process. Right up until the Josh Hart trade, everything was more geared towards development over everything. That is going to change or already has. Doesn't mean Knicks won't develop guys and put an emphasis there, but wins and playing guys who are in that mode will be favored. ie, all of those 35+ min games and touches will not be there for RJ. All the games won't be against a team like Boston, but this game was pretty much things to come, ie getting yanked after 26 minutes for looking like someone who hasn't been part of a team environment before.

RJ is down to 1 literal advantage on the court: his strength/body and how he uses it. But to compliment that, you need footwork and shot-making ability along with a eye for passing/decision-making with ball. Without the ball, he needs to be able to defend, make open shots, and make smart movement decisions.

RJ in his 4th year now and those opportunities are evaporating for him. It's a literal reality that he won't get the time on the court to work things out. I am getting forgetful these days but can't really identify something RJ has added in any of the offseason. Like here is a skill he used to really bump his game. Most of his improvements have come in volume IMHO.

The next 3 weeks will be telling, it'll show us about how much playing time the Knicks are investing in winning versus getting guys like RJ their normal touches and shots and minutes.

blkexec wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Development? Knicks fans don’t know that word.

With the josh hart trade, we can relax now n RJ now. He’s officially back into development training while hart is our closer. If it ain’t broken, thibs will not fix it. That’s the one thing I believe makes him consistent.

Just wait until Barrett turns the ball over 5 times in a playoff game. He he can just stop with the unforced errors. The rest of the team literally stops and watches when RJ gets the ball.

My favorite RJ play from last night. RJ brings the ball up and starts calling plays. He’s telling Hart to cut and everyone is running around. And then RJ starts dribbling around and runs straight into a triple team turnover ignoring everyone else on the floor. Nobody touched the ball except Barrett, not even one pass.

martin wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

These are nice facts about Jaylen Brown but really hold zero weight and a literal zero to do with anything RJ is doing. I don't know how one situation informs the other outside of age.

The Knicks have done a pretty good job at putting RJ into the positions he needs to be in to get better.

What do you see from RJ that would lead you to believe he is using those opportunities to get better and what has he gotten better at over the past years? Go for the really not obvious, low hanging fruit stuff like having a higher % at the rim or his increasing FT% that is almost to league average now. What's after that?

Knicks are just about at the inflection point in their team building process. Right up until the Josh Hart trade, everything was more geared towards development over everything. That is going to change or already has. Doesn't mean Knicks won't develop guys and put an emphasis there, but wins and playing guys who are in that mode will be favored. ie, all of those 35+ min games and touches will not be there for RJ. All the games won't be against a team like Boston, but this game was pretty much things to come, ie getting yanked after 26 minutes for looking like someone who hasn't been part of a team environment before.

RJ is down to 1 literal advantage on the court: his strength/body and how he uses it. But to compliment that, you need footwork and shot-making ability along with a eye for passing/decision-making with ball. Without the ball, he needs to be able to defend, make open shots, and make smart movement decisions.

RJ in his 4th year now and those opportunities are evaporating for him. It's a literal reality that he won't get the time on the court to work things out. I am getting forgetful these days but can't really identify something RJ has added in any of the offseason. Like here is a skill he used to really bump his game. Most of his improvements have come in volume IMHO.

The next 3 weeks will be telling, it'll show us about how much playing time the Knicks are investing in winning versus getting guys like RJ their normal touches and shots and minutes.

Knixkik wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:RJ is so frustrating with his inconsistency.

He’s inconsistent but then again, he’s consistently bad in first quarters and consistently good the rest of the game.

MS wrote:Thibs ****ing sucks. Facts.

What is he watching, bench the kid now. He hasn’t had it all game. That’s 5 tos

What a fun game.

Assuming this is sustainable IQ is good for a 4/$100mm extension. He's better than Jordan Poole imo... Pool's a better scorer but not by much and IQ is becoming and all world defender.

martin wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

martin wrote:I don’t know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

I'll say it in the past...and will say it now. He isn't the only one on this team like that...even Brunson falls into that trap sometimes.

We are talking different solar system of difference though right? Like one has an off game every blue moon, the other has a good game every blue moon.

THIS +100.

Comparing RJ to Brunson a HUGE reach.

Not blaming Brunson, he's a much better scorer than RJ.

Barrett's footwork, takes to the rim have improved this season. But as many other posters have already pointed out, RJ too often plays with blinders on. To the detriment of the team.