Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

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So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

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https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1640403114388865036

So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

KP wasnt just hurt, he was invovled in a lot of drama. Was in a brawl, was accused (falsely) of rape. Was trashing mgmt left and right. It was all of it that made that pick protected where it was.

In addition, a 7fter with that kind of injury, is more of a question mark than if it happened to a guard.

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1640403114388865036

So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

We waited way too long to trade KP. The exact right time was 2017 when Phil got barbecued by most Knicks and the entire media for even asking other GMs what they were willing to give us for him. The trade Perry did later on still worked out I guess we got rid of him and dumped THJ’s crappy contract which allowed us to sign Randle

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1640403114388865036

So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

We waited way too long to trade KP. The exact right time was 2017 when Phil got barbecued by most Knicks and the entire media for even asking other GMs what they were willing to give us for him. The trade Perry did later on still worked out I guess we got rid of him and dumped THJ’s crappy contract which allowed us to sign Randle

Phil wanted to trade KP for Lauri, who was just as injury prone. Coincidentally they're both having their breakout season.

Philc1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1640403114388865036

So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

We waited way too long to trade KP. The exact right time was 2017 when Phil got barbecued by most Knicks and the entire media for even asking other GMs what they were willing to give us for him. The trade Perry did later on still worked out I guess we got rid of him and dumped THJ’s crappy contract which allowed us to sign Randle

Phil wanted to trade KP for Lauri, who was just as injury prone. Coincidentally they're both having their breakout season.

There were several trades Phil was negotiating. One was KP straight up for Dearron Fox. The kings ultimately said no after thinking about it. The Celtics offered us Jaylen Brown plus picks and Dolan vetoed it.

If you have a link..

GustavBahler wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1640403114388865036

So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

We waited way too long to trade KP. The exact right time was 2017 when Phil got barbecued by most Knicks and the entire media for even asking other GMs what they were willing to give us for him. The trade Perry did later on still worked out I guess we got rid of him and dumped THJ’s crappy contract which allowed us to sign Randle

Phil wanted to trade KP for Lauri, who was just as injury prone. Coincidentally they're both having their breakout season.

There were several trades Phil was negotiating. One was KP straight up for Dearron Fox. The kings ultimately said no after thinking about it. The Celtics offered us Jaylen Brown plus picks and Dolan vetoed it.

If you have a link..

Sure

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26355745/deaaron-fox-speeding-sacramento-kings-line

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2717337-kristaps-porzingis-trade-rumors-knicks-reported-celtics-asking-price-revealed.amp.html

Philc1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1640403114388865036

So true. But there’s also such a tight race right now. A quick run could have this pick back in the late teens (although unlikely). Don’t want that either. But we want them to jump ahead of someone in the west for sure. 11-12 would be so perfect.

Living on the edge......

It’s annoying this wasn’t an unprotected pick because at the time KP had that type of perceived value.

He was hurt, but I agree. That pick was to protected. Should have been 1-4.

We waited way too long to trade KP. The exact right time was 2017 when Phil got barbecued by most Knicks and the entire media for even asking other GMs what they were willing to give us for him. The trade Perry did later on still worked out I guess we got rid of him and dumped THJ’s crappy contract which allowed us to sign Randle

Phil wanted to trade KP for Lauri, who was just as injury prone. Coincidentally they're both having their breakout season.

There were several trades Phil was negotiating. One was KP straight up for Dearron Fox. The kings ultimately said no after thinking about it. The Celtics offered us Jaylen Brown plus picks and Dolan vetoed it.

If you have a link..

Sure

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26355745/deaaron-fox-speeding-sacramento-kings-line

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2717337-kristaps-porzingis-trade-rumors-knicks-reported-celtics-asking-price-revealed.amp.html

Just FYI, the link regarding the Boston trade does nothing to support your assertion Dolan vetoed a Brown trade and does a lot to contradict it.

Nalod wrote:Yes, Knicks should have traded KP before he blew out his ACL.
Phil got canned for trading the face of the franchise and potential Unicorn.
I do recall Dolan was not fond of moving KP. While few things in life pleasure me more than calling out PhilC's arrogant prognostications or selective fictional memory he is more correct than not.
I can't verify him vetoing a trade but did fire phil at a very weird time. I doubt it was for drafting Frank.

Protections: Makes sense its was not 1-4 from Mav's standpoint. We talking a team that went to conf. finals last year. That pick earlier it never would be this "frustrating".
But, if it was a top 5 pick, that means KP was a disaster move for them and knicks should not be as compensated.
Remember what Isiah did? YOu don't do that. Eddy sucked and instead of us retaining a high lotto pick we still gave it away. Isiah taught the league about protecting picks.
From Dallas view the protections made sense. We won the trade when we signed Randle with the cap space. We just did not know it then. The rest was gravy.