Other thoughts: Randle gets to the line a lot. Refs are not against him. Did not love the Ticky tack calls Derozen got.
Cruncb time win on the road vs. good team who is not performing up to potential. That was a quality road win.
Im sure Bull fans calling for Billy’s head too?
Keep Zach away from us.

ESPN broadcast was complimentary on Knicks. I think Doris Burke does state the obvious at times but does a good job mostly.
RJ taking better 3’s and its working.
Perry was right about Derozen.
Trading RJ for him is silly given age gap.
White guys with headband look silly. Caruso.
You Deuce fanboys are funny. You talk about him when you not. LOL.
Sims footwork on defense is a career changer for him. Its keeping him in the league.
I don’t know where knicks are going but they are fun to watch. Unless your whining!

this offense is trash
I cant believe this coach player
I know he "played well" but I would still trade him
despite the math Randle somehow almost kinda phuked us

Good stuff... anyone listen to the postgame?

Nahhhh...... I know more than that idiot Thibs only playing vets and cant run an offense...

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Brunson got us through OT. Grimes is finding his stroke.

I shouldnt want to see Randle traded after putting up numbers like he just did. But I do. Still closes games like he's throwing them. WTF was holding the ball for the entire shot clock, and going one on 3 to close regulation?

This is the kind of stuff that will kill a playoff run. And Randle does it way too much.

You must not have watched the game. Williams was the only one on him for last shot. I do agree that there should have been much less Iso. But you are assuming it did not come from the coach. That has been a common fan complaint at the end of games for the last 30 years. So not sure why you are blaming Randle specifically. Imo, JB needs to be the one creating at end of games.

Randle did have the two pass outs that led to Grimes big threes in im overtime. He also broke up the out of bounds pass to Williams in final play. So there is that.

Randle had three defenders nearby, when he took the shot. One in front of him, and two closing in. Still couldnt find an open man.

And spare me the "common fan" horse****.

No bull**** to spare. Wrote "common fan complaint". You taking it like I'm saying you a common fan.

You claim that Im commenting on a game, I didnt watch, and Im making a "common fan complaint". Id say you have plenty of bull**** to spare.

Telling a player to hold for the last shot. Isnt the same thing as a player attempting a last second shot, in the least competitive way possible. Did Thibs tell him to run out the clock like that? Of course not.

Randle does not close out games well. He's our best scoring option. Thats not a recipe for success.

You said there were three players on him. Not true. You are either exaggerating to suit your narrative or didn't watch the game. Then you back track and say they were "near" him.

Common fan have complaint for the last thirty years on "why coaches don't call a better play instead of iso" Exactly what your whining about. And how do you know what the coach told him? Obvious players were spreading the floor and he was going on 8. A common move for a last second play in a tie. But you been watching.

And you crying bout a last shot even though we won? Why?

Listen to yourself. I didnt see the last seconds of the game play out like you did. So I didnt watch the game. I wanted a better run play, whatever it was. And some how Ive made a common fan mistake that you are immune from.

Now Im whining and crying over a game, because I point out that Randle doesnt close out games well.

This is the kind of discourse I try to avoid. You have criticized others for acting like we know more than NBA coaches, or players. For just commenting. Yet it doesnt stop you from often doing the same.

Whatever the play was. ISO, PnR, the freaking icky shuffle. I wanted to see Randle run it better that. Sorry if you have a problem with my expressing a "common fan complaint". So special.

You mean you avoid Discourse where you get called out?
"WTF was holding the ball for the entire shot clock, and going one on 3 to close regulation?
This is the kind of stuff that will kill a playoff run. And Randle does it way too much."
That's what you said and I responded as crying. Not a basic call for a better play. You are the one that took offense to being part of common fan. Which is what you are. Unless you consider yourself an expert?

But just to show what non common fan minds take into account, as I was trying to explain, here are some quotes from an experienced former COY regarding what we are discussing:

https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/tom-thibodeau-doesnt-regret-julius-randle-shot-late-in-regulation/

The thing is, if you bring a second guy over, they can trap, they also had a foul to give,”
The Knicks’ coach added: “Get to your spot, take your shot and Julius did that. It’s a good look on that side.”
"He’s been on a great run, all the way around,” Thibodeau said of Randle, who had 31 points, 13 rebounds and seven assists. “He made so many good plays for us throughout the course of the game, and then to read that play [at the end regulation], which he did, and to put it on the line, that’s a big part of guys sacrificing for the team. There’s no stat for that.”

Sound familiar?

Loved the notion that Perkins showed some love in the studio and without naming names told Jefferson to stop being a hater. Jefferson should be tossed. He adds no insight and nothing entertaining.

Fans should stop complaining about less than perfect wins. If you expect perfection you’ll always be disappointed. We should be thankful we gutted out a few extra possessions to come out on top.

Hats off to Brunson! Without a doubt the best Knicks FA signing since...Allan Houston in 96? He's been outstanding! And he's such a warrior! In a walking boot just a few days ago at the Knicks holiday party with his gorgeous fiance and is listed a game time decision going into this this game. He not only plays but drop 30 points including some clutch shots and a CLEAN (no hand pushing!) highlight crossover on Caruso! I freaking LOVE Brunson!!!

Randle started the game strong once again (15 points in the 1st). I really like how he's coming out aggressive and confident. He had some dumb turnovers and I despise it when he isolates at the top of the key and holds the ball but overall cannot hate on 32/13/7. RJ also had a nice game with 22/6 and defended DeRozan well for the most part but the zebras were treating him he was MJ with the late touch fouls. Robinson was also strong with 6 offensive rebounds and stopped Vucevic when it counted! Grimes with clutch threes! And Deuce continues to defend well and is starting to get some threes to fall!

BTW, LaVine does not look normal. He's definitely lost a step with that knee injury. Leon and co. really need to do their homework if he's an option.

BigRedDog wrote:

fishmike wrote:I love our fans... Jules gets 31/13/7 on 19 FGAs and plays 40 plus minutes, dude played so hard and misses one ISO at the end of the game and its

this offense is trash
I cant believe this coach player
I know he "played well" but I would still trade him
despite the math Randle somehow almost kinda phuked us

Good stuff... anyone listen to the postgame?

Nahhhh...... I know more than that idiot Thibs only playing vets and cant run an offense...

C'mon it was more than just " one iso" at the end. The last 3 minutes was dump it to Randle and watch. Randle doesnt have the offensive game to dump it to him 20 feet and and create for himself. Caruso a guard was defending him on prior plays him and Randle was taking fade a ways. Really? Brunson needs the ball, have these guys move and create shots. Do I know more than Thibs? of course not, but I do know that was one ugly azz last sequence. Also again why is Randle taking technical foul shots when IQ or Brunson is in the game? Doesnt make sense. Selfish MF

Literally every beef you could have about Randle he's improved on this year. This is the definition of being a hater. Good work, you the poster boy now. Sorry bud

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

fishmike wrote:I love our fans... Jules gets 31/13/7 on 19 FGAs and plays 40 plus minutes, dude played so hard and misses one ISO at the end of the game and its

this offense is trash
I cant believe this coach player
I know he "played well" but I would still trade him
despite the math Randle somehow almost kinda phuked us

Good stuff... anyone listen to the postgame?

Nahhhh...... I know more than that idiot Thibs only playing vets and cant run an offense...

C'mon it was more than just " one iso" at the end. The last 3 minutes was dump it to Randle and watch. Randle doesnt have the offensive game to dump it to him 20 feet and and create for himself. Caruso a guard was defending him on prior plays him and Randle was taking fade a ways. Really? Brunson needs the ball, have these guys move and create shots. Do I know more than Thibs? of course not, but I do know that was one ugly azz last sequence. Also again why is Randle taking technical foul shots when IQ or Brunson is in the game? Doesnt make sense. Selfish MF

this is a waste of time. Sorry you didnt enjoy the win or the great season Randle's having. He's playing great and has been nothing but a great teammate and you missed it all cause he killed your cat. Smoke something and sit back and let go... dude's prolly gonna be here for a while, and that's OK cause he's good player on a good contract.

Literally every beef you could have about Randle he's improved on this year. This is the definition of being a hater. Good work, you the poster boy now. Sorry bud

How about we say he's chaotic neutral and leave it at that.

MS wrote:Team is solid.

Problem is we signed Noel, Fournier Burks, Rose, Kemba traded a First for Cam, then traded a first to unload a contract and now have everyone of those player out of the rotation and are short two first rounders. That is scary on one offseason.

Happy we are playing well, but front office has some explaining to do

Problem is more that you can't get over the fact that teams do cycle contracts and players and picks, it's literally the nature of the beast. Go check out how many bad contracts are on a team like Miami right now. Or how GS used the #2 pick on a high level GLeague talent. Or how Brooklyn manages their super stars. Or how OKC traded Harden just before he exploded and let Durant walk. Or how the Celtics let Al Horford walk AND traded away Desomnd Bane just to get out of a 1 year $5M Enes Freedom Kanter. And what the ****ery is the Lakers Westbrook trade? You think SAS handled Primo well?

I could go on all day for pretty much all teams.

Knicks mistakes are so bad they are able to trade them away using 2nd round picks? Let that settle in for you. You don't want the Knicks taking calculated risks like the Cam trade? The opposite it even worse IMHO.

There has got to be some better barometer than just what you are staying.

It's silly talk after that.

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Team is solid.

Problem is we signed Noel, Fournier Burks, Rose, Kemba traded a First for Cam, then traded a first to unload a contract and now have everyone of those player out of the rotation and are short two first rounders. That is scary on one offseason.

Happy we are playing well, but front office has some explaining to do

Problem is more that you can't get over the fact that teams do cycle contracts and players and picks, it's literally the nature of the beast. Go check out how many bad contracts are on a team like Miami right now. Or how GS used the #2 pick on a high level GLeague talent. Or how Brooklyn manages their super stars. Or how OKC traded Harden just before he exploded and let Durant walk. Or how the Celtics let Al Horford walk AND traded away Desomnd Bane just to get out of a 1 year $5M Enes Freedom Kanter. And what the ****ery is the Lakers Westbrook trade? You think SAS handled Primo well?

I could go on all day for pretty much all teams.

Knicks mistakes are so bad they are able to trade them away using 2nd round picks? Let that settle in for you. You don't want the Knicks taking calculated risks like the Cam trade? The opposite it even worse IMHO.

There has got to be some better barometer than just what you are staying.

It's silly talk after that.

Wow this really puts it into perspective. Thank you for that. Knicks cap management has been far from perfect but this is the nature of the beast. The front office is doing what they should be doing.