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martin
Posts: 76105 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
7/16/2021 1:11 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:Is there any truth to Dame announcing a trade request out of Portland the next few days? I like Dame as a player but im against doing a melo type trade to get him. I would rather take my chances with trading for Sexton and getting another starting wing and see how far the knicks can go next year. Dame will address it himself at 1230 PT Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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martin
Posts: 76105 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
7/16/2021 1:15 PM
And for those of you on the Love train, dude has played 22, 56, 25 games in the previous seasons and just bowed out of Olympics
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
7/16/2021 1:20 PM
martin wrote:And for those of you on the Love train, dude has played 22, 56, 25 games in the previous seasons and just bowed out of OlympicsTweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I get that. But I’m willing to take him to grab sexton and Jeep picks 21. 19 which I believe are super high value assets. I’m thinking live can play behind Randle and give 10-14 min RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
7/16/2021 2:02 PM
foosballnick wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If we traded Knox Toppin pick 32 for Kevin love and sexton Quite honestly I like the size of the line up I put out. With sexton at 6-1. I’d have to see where iq fits RIP Crushalot😞
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39803 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
7/16/2021 2:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:foosballnick wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If we traded Knox Toppin pick 32 for Kevin love and sexton If you're that confident in Duarte, why bring Burks back? Just plug IQ in the backcourt with Rose. Also, don't like the idea of pencilling in rookie as starter if you're trying to stay somewhat competitive. Why not bring Bullock back instead and let Murphy show he deserves to start? I should've started off by saying that the fact you're counting on Love for anything make these lineups a no-go for me. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
7/16/2021 2:36 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we do this. I don’t mind taking Kevin love. But if I have to take 30 mm in cap. No picks in rd 1 I don't really understand the logic of taking on Love's contract, especially if you can get it done with the rumored offer- I'd much rather give up one of our firsts if it meant not taking on Love Salary. Love's $30mil per, plus Sexton's extension number is ridiculous- we'd essentially be paying $50-60mil per season for Sexton. I'd much rather hold out and see if we can sign Rozier or LaVine next offseason, heck I'd rather take on Buddy Hield in a salary dump than have to pay Love $30mil per in addition to Sexton |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
7/16/2021 2:37 PM LAST EDITED: 7/16/2021 2:38 PM
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If we do this. I don’t mind taking Kevin love. But if I have to take 30 mm in cap. No picks in rd 1 There’s only 1 basketball. Taking love to get sexton only and keeping our pix to find two role players on cost effective contracts for years RIP Crushalot😞
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
7/16/2021 2:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we do this. I don’t mind taking Kevin love. But if I have to take 30 mm in cap. No picks in rd 1
Or wait until the offseason and present an offer sheet to Sexton that the Cavs aren't going to match. If the Cavs trade him as a rental, then take the risk that a new team won't match either. Taking on Kevin Love is literally bailing out Koby Altman for no reason at all. Altman only cares about saving his job. So there's a decent chance, at the trade deadline, Toppin will be enough to make a trade. Esp if Toppin participates in the slam dunk contest and wins it. At least Dan Gilbert can market that. In order for Altman to save his job, he needs to get some return that approximates "hope" for the Cavs, even if it's phantom hope. Cleveland fans and the sports media there can talk themselves into a young "prospect" like Toppin. When it comes to saving your front office job FOR THE SHORT TERM, it matters less if it works and more about how it looks and is widely perceived. Sexton is going to want the max. And if I'm being fair, as a pure market max player, he has enough accomplishments to argue for one ( I don't think he's worth a max in my book, but he's produced to the point where the discussion should be had in the open) If the Knicks are going to pay the max anyway, if they want him bad enough, they can either pay out the nose in a trade and still have to pay the guy a massive amount of the cap or simply pay the guy a massive amount of your cap anyway. If the cap hit is going to be brutal either way, why give up the assets? For his full Bird Rights? OK full Bird Rights are useful but they have the most utility for a team with a pathway to actually contend. If you are developing a fun to watch team that will end up a treadmill team, there is literally no reason to go near the tax zone, thus full Bird Rights are helpful and flexibile, but you can work around them. Giving Sexton the max is an admission the team has no true intention to chase a pure contention window. Kevin Love brings lots of drama with him. There's no reason to do the Cavs a favor and save Koby Altman's job for nothing. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53805 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
7/16/2021 3:37 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:really those would be hopes for Love, not so much goals. When a guy appears to be breaking down physically its fair to say he's shot until he doesnt look shot.fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If we do this. I don’t mind taking Kevin love. But if I have to take 30 mm in cap. No picks in rd 1thought about taking Love as well and wonder how that would fit and work out here. Knox/Topping/32 for Sexton/Love works for me. Sexton will be an RFA and I dont expect us to have cap space. If we do it means we likely didnt extend Mitch/Randle or sign/trade for any long term player not in a rookie deal. Taking on Love lets you keep the pics... I like the idea of adding Sexton. He's not perfect but man he could really be a difference maker. We need that athletic scorer in the backcourt. RJ is a good bucket getter but he's not really a scorer. Sexton is a really hard worker and his EFF #s really show he's mindful of improving his scoring and not just a volume game. This is a player I would love to challenge Thibs with. As far as the trade I suspect the FO has some idea of value in FA vs. value in the draft. If they value the cap space more they will move more picks. If they value adding those guys more they will take on a bad contract like Love (see OKC) I agree rehabbing Love is likely a pipedream but keeping our first rounders AND adding Sexton is a real building block offseason, especially if it doesnt cost you Mitch. Sexton/RJ/Bullock/Randle/Mitch + IQ, 2 FRPs, maybe Taj/Rose (I added Bullock as place holder) is a really good build from last year. Young team with size and firepower "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Jimbo5
Posts: 20878 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/12/2020 Member: #8854 |
7/16/2021 3:40 PM
For the price, i would rather trade for Sexton than put all the knicks assets on the table to get dame.with Johnny Bryant coaching Sexton im hoping he can hit the next level. The criticism on Sexton as lacking the playmaking skills is too harsh I think, the low assist can be traced to the poor conversion rate of his teammates. He had a 10 assist night. Now that Dame can be a trade candidate to teams hoping to be contenders next year, this may drive the price of Sexton down abit. It would be wise for the knicks to zero in on Sexton than trading the farm for Dame! Did Brock and the Cavs leave on good terms, im hoping this connection can get that trade done
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
7/16/2021 3:48 PM
Who knows what we’re up to!
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
7/16/2021 3:50 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:For the price, i would rather trade for Sexton than put all the knicks assets on the table to get dame.with Johnny Bryant coaching Sexton im hoping he can hit the next level. The criticism on Sexton as lacking the playmaking skills is too harsh I think, the low assist can be traced to the poor conversion rate of his teammates. He had a 10 assist night. Now that Dame can be a trade candidate to teams hoping to be contenders next year, this may drive the price of Sexton down abit. It would be wise for the knicks to zero in on Sexton than trading the farm for Dame! Did Brock and the Cavs leave on good terms, im hoping this connection can get that trade done I’m with you. Sexton is 22-23. He’s the now AND future Hopefully removing k love salary is highly appealing to them. The owner don’t care about money he’s 40x richer than Dolan — but team building wise 30 mm in love plus two ball dominant 6-1 guys ain’t gonna do it. I’ll throw in iq if needed RIP Crushalot😞
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