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TPercy
Posts: 28010 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/5/2014 Member: #5748 |
5/4/2021 2:27 AM
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TPercy
Posts: 28010 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/5/2014 Member: #5748 |
5/5/2021 9:51 AM
Dropped 33 last night. Managed to catch part of game as well. His confidence seems to be really growing these past week.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39807 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
5/5/2021 12:19 PM
Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: The price tag is definitely what scare me off. His job duties wouldn't change with Julius, but his half court ineffectiveness could be balanced out by Rose. Is that worth $20+ million a year? Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Uptown
Posts: 31303 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
5/5/2021 12:40 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: Maybe Julius's duties change a bit...An argument can be made that Julius is the best passer on this team. That won't be the case if Lonzo is here. I've watched a bunch of Pels games this year and I can tell you that Lonzo is a little bit better at putting the ball on the floor and driving to the basket. He rarely gets all the way to the rim, but he has developed a nice 10 foot pull-up. He's nowhere near elite but he has improved his half court game. And like you said, with Rose here, we will still have an attacking guard. And with Lonzo's size, they can play together at times. Age wise, he fits in perfect with Julius, RJ, Quick and Mitch. 20 mil a year is a lot, but I think signing Lonzo at that price means the Knicks believe he is still still trending up which I think he is. Would love to see Lonzo get on the gym with Johnny Bryant. |
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martin
Posts: 76106 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
5/5/2021 12:49 PM
Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: NOP are in a weird spot. I don't pay attention to them and it's strange that they are taking the ball out of his hands but maybe that's more a product of other players on the court. If you were their FO how would you handle his contract situation knowing his #1 option isn't to sign with your team? Let him sign a not-friendly team contract for 4 years and have to match? And knowing it won't be the easiest of contracts to trade and the player will prob be grumpy? I'd probably target a few destinations for a sign and trade and try to get as many assets out of it as possible. But who knows Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
5/5/2021 12:59 PM LAST EDITED: 5/5/2021 1:00 PM
martin wrote:I was thinking the same thing. They already have a ton they have to pay Bledsoe. They are having Zion essentially play point forward. And they invested their first round pick last season on a point guard. I think two things:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: 1) If the Knicks or any team offer Ball a contract over $15-20M per year, I have a hard time seeing them match it. |
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martin
Posts: 76106 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
5/5/2021 1:28 PM
Welpee wrote:martin wrote:I was thinking the same thing. They already have a ton they have to pay Bledsoe. They are having Zion essentially play point forward. And they invested their first round pick last season on a point guard. I think two things:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: The one thing I had been thinking about in terms of sign and trades as well as Knicks cap space is what to do with Alex Burks and how much he is going to ask for. For whatever reason, I just think Bullocks will stay and his contract situation is easier and more manageable with Early Bird rights. Would the Knicks entertain a trade situation for Ball using any combo of Burks, Knox, low first round pick (or perhaps Detroit's pick ~33)? Knicks get their PG for 5 years at the contract they/Ball want (without having to over pump it with all sorts of poison pills); NO gets a shooter who (maybe) deserves/wants a 3 year contract to replace the Reddick role they desire, gets a 1 year look at Knox and a pick. Knicks contain cap space re Burks/Knox while getting PG. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Chandler
Posts: 26774 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
5/5/2021 1:37 PM
i'm still not feeling Lonzo for this team
I think Thibs wants his pg to touch the paint, collapse. Bullock has been playing well lately but SF is our need (5)(7)
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Nalod
Posts: 71107 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/5/2021 1:44 PM
Is he worth a 1st round pick we have this year? will you find a better player in the draft?? Knox? Add a second high 2?
What does Nola want? More picks? Way do we have they can help build with Zion? Do they even want to trade Ball???? My take is they match. I’m not going stupid Mooney for him, but.........neither should Nola. What about IQ and our lower 1st this year for ball at a reasonable contract? I’m not thrilled with moving IQ but we thinking Ball is a foundational piece and I don’t know if IQ is beyond our own hype. Any trade for Ball won’t be as cheap as we think/hope. I really hope IM working on that, but then if he is that good he will have suitors. I’d rather burn an asset then pay stupid money for him. We have not even talked about Lavar. |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39807 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
5/5/2021 1:45 PM
Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: Yeah, but Julius is a better passed than Zion. I believe Julius would probably run the half-court offense, unless Ball shows drastic improvement. Lonzo would probably still take off in transition and early transition opportunities. I should say, I'm not anti-Lonzo and I like what he brings. Price is the main issue that's holding me back. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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martin
Posts: 76106 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
5/5/2021 2:05 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: I haven't watch Ball much but has he really had a chance within a stable environment to run a half-court offense? His first year with Lakers had a lot of young, high usage players: Ingram, Julius, Kuz, Hart. Or at least a lot of young players. Then LeBron came into town. Traded to NO to team with Zion and crapped out least year in the Bubble. Coaches took ball out of his hands this year. So broken player or player just never had a chance ala Julius previous to this year? The jump in Ball's shooting stats has been very nice. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39807 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
5/5/2021 2:20 PM
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: I'd say when a coach looks at and thinks to himself "naw, I should try Bledsoe" it's a little bit deeper than. Lonzo's half court issues have been harped on since he was at UCLA. It was a part of his pre-draft scouting report. Can he improve? It's not outside the realm of possibility. How much of a gamble are you willing to make that he will improve? I'd make a solid, calculated gamble. But anything more than $20 million and I'm folding. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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martin
Posts: 76106 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
5/5/2021 2:30 PM
Not for nothing but it all could be moot cause of this guy
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39807 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
5/5/2021 2:33 PM
martin wrote:Not for nothing but it all could be moot cause of this guyTweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Let's hope. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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fishmike
Posts: 53805 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/5/2021 2:35 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:that seems about right and on the high side. You are paying hoping for more. I do know he's got a good relationship with Jules so I would expect him to be a good chemistry add.martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uptown wrote:I posted this in the other thread, I guess its makes more sense to post it here. Been a fan of Lonzo's game since UCLA. His vision, ability to push the tempo and size at the lead guard spot. He's a great fit with this roster when you consider needs: Not a Ball fan, but I would trust this FO at this point to make the right calls. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Knixkik
Posts: 35423 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
5/5/2021 2:56 PM
martin wrote:Not for nothing but it all could be moot cause of this guyTweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: It's very possible. Knicks could simply believe Rose is the starter we need, and Quickley, Vildoza, and Burks can all handle the bal off the bench. |