BRIGGS wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

I’m not going to post video after video but there are dozens upon dozens of examples of white people being beat up killed bullied etc. by police. This video is exceptionally horrible. The cops get nothing. In the video it says the “cops were following correct procedures” any decent human can see that’s not true. The police system and rules are broken and archaic. A police officer has too much leeway to simply execute u. It is NOT any form of epidemic— roughly 1000 people get killed by cops a year but I think we all can agree the mentality of I’d say 40% of police in the US is predatory in nature. Read police sites they seem to refer human beings as animals they hunt. And while African Americans by a % basis might take the brunt all people can and do suffer via rogue police. It’s an issue for all people. I’m personally scared by the police— I’m no fan. Really who isn’t scared by the police? And it should not be that way

I’m no fan of the police in general either Briggs but 40% seems pretty harsh. Do 40% of them have any complaints at all?

I think it’s a mentality and it needs to be eradicated. Id say 40% of police have a disturbing attitude.Its not just a few bad apples. And this is not a put down of police— it’s the system

You can't claim that "All Lives Matter" yet at the same breath say its not a pandemic that unarmed civilians are getting murdered by the Police. You stated the system and rules are broken and archaic. Yet this same system has pretty much been going on for how many decades, and how many generations? And you have people today protesting that "Blue Lives Matter" which sparked a 17 yr old to act as an armed militia and murder 2 protesters in support of it. African Americans taking the brunt of it while only occupying 13% of the population. I could argue is the reason why there hasn't been any real effective change. Even though its been an issue for all people. Your goal seems to be to remove the idea of race being at all an issue in anything. But that mindset of acting oblivious and ignore racism all together isn't going to fix issues. There are no examples of a black Brock Turner who was a college student caught drunkenly raping another female college student by a dumpster. Only to get 3 months in prison because the judge felt that prison would "ruin his life". There are no examples of a black Dylan Roof who shot up a Church after praying with them. Then getting treated to fast food by the officers who captured him because he was hungry. There is no example of a black Donald Trump who became POTUS while having the baggage he holds. While refusing to give the public his college grades & tax returns etc. And like I said earlier, the issue of police brutality while it effects all people, some more than others. Is just another leaf on a tree when it comes to POC. The reason why it gets majority of the attention though is because people getting filmed getting murdered for the public to see. Thus creating more emotional reactions. And offers visual representation at the highest level. Which something like for example a racist/prejudice/discriminatory employer who turns down an applicants with a non white sounding name isn't. But the frustration of all societies ills have been built up. The filming of police brutality is the visual match that allows the already built up frustrations to explode.

Then there is also this.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
https://www.justsecurity.org/70507/white-supremacist-infiltration-of-us-police-forces-fact-checking-national-security-advisor-obrien/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8671473/Report-White-supremacists-far-right-vigilante-militias-infiltrated-police-US.html

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/
https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/supremacists-racist-terrorists-greatest-risk-of-violence-fbi-memo/

TripleThreat wrote:

Blake, 29, was forbidden from going to the Kenosha home of his alleged victim from the May 3 incident, and police were dispatched Sunday following a 911 call saying he was there. The officers were aware he had an open warrant, according to dispatch records, though it’s not clear if they knew the specific allegations of violence.

Blake, who was paralyzed in the shooting, had been handcuffed to his hospital bed due to the warrant, which was vacated Friday, according to a statement released by his lawyer, Benjamin Crump. His restraints were removed, but he is still facing the criminal charges, Crump said.

Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her.

The victim, who is only identified by her initials in the paperwork, told police she was asleep in bed with one of her children when Blake came into the room around 6 a.m. and allegedly said “I want my sh-t,” the record states.

She told cops Blake then used his finger to sexually assault her, sniffed it and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men,” the criminal complaint alleges.

The officer who took her statement said she “had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant assaulted her.”

The alleged victim said Blake “penetrating her digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without her consent” and she was “very humiliated and upset by the sexual assault,” the record states.

She told police she “was upset but collected herself” and then allegedly ran out the front door after Blake, the complaint says. She then realized her car was missing, checked her purse and saw the keys were missing and then “immediately called 911,” the complaint alleges.

The alleged victim told cops she has known him for eight years and claims that he physically assaults her “around twice a year when he drinks heavily.”

And the penalty is 7 shots to the back for everyone is it? Are we officially changing the law now to authorize that for everyone accused? Its’s wilful ignorance at this point because you’ve been told repeatedly what the issue is, but you pretend not to be able to read or understand it and desperately try to avoid it by focusing on character of the victim, windows getting broken and businesses.

smackeddog wrote: Are we officially changin the law now to authorise that for everyone accused?

Omar Little: the gay, shotgun-toting antihero – who stole from drug dealers on David Simon’s Baltimore crime series The Wire – may seem like an odd reference point for a politician. So when the MP David Lammy triumphantly tweeted: “Walking into parliament this morning,” alongside a picture of Omar after the resignation of Amber Rudd over the Windrush scandal, the response was split.

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/990904159007330305

Those who had seen the programme and got the reference nodded in approval, while those who hadn’t questioned why an MP was comparing himself to a man wearing a bulletproof vest, armed with a shotgun. Omar, like most things in The Wire, doesn’t deal in black and white. He operates by his own code: he won’t harm anyone who isn’t in “the game” and only targets drug dealers and their crews. But he is incredibly violent and kills five people – with his signature shotgun – over the course of five seasons. It’s an approach that earned him the nickname the “hood Robin Hood”, and, reading between the lines, Lammy’s tweet suggests he sees himself as a disruptive figure who is holding the morally bankrupt to account.

Lammy is far from the only politician to mention The Wire. Barack Obama said Omar was his favourite character in the show – although he was at pains to make clear “that’s not an endorsement”.

“He’s a standard dude with morals and a code,” Michael K Williams, who played Omar, said in 2012. “That was one of the things that Obama loved about him.”

Back in the days of the Tories’ “broken Britain” narrative, Chris Grayling took a different approach and compared parts of Blighty to Baltimore. “The Wire used to be just a work of fiction for British viewers,” he said in a speech in 2009, when the Conservatives were in opposition. “But under this government, in many parts of British cities, The Wire has become a part of real life in this country, too.” Grayling’s speech was dismissed by many as hyperbole to spice up his tough on crime stance, but The Wire and Omar still remain a potent, if potentially provocative, reference to use.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
watched the movie “The hate you give” and its a clear message. We can’t shoot people then justify the action because they were in trouble previously. Civilians and police are not the judge and executioner.
I asked a friend, a republican who begrudgingly backs trump “Do yo think he is more permissive of racism or antisemitism”......Reponse was “Think of Ferguson and it happens under Obama”. Does this make the escalation justifiable? Or Trumps attitude ok now? We are becoming political tribes.

Wait, are you telling me that's why it's cool to attack LeBron for bowing down to China while ignoring a president who sat on his hands when the Soviet government was knowingly putting bounties out on U.S. soldiers? Hypocrisy is hypocrisy no matter if the person is on your "team" or not. But it's not an excuse to turn a blind eye when you see effed up crap being done. Why would China take anything we say seriously when we can't even get our own house in order? How can you say a guy should shut up and dribble one instance, then get on him for not speaking up on another?

LeBron profits millions off the back of slavery. He doesn’t need their money but he sure does take it. Makes him no better than any slave laborer— he’s complicit.

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
watched the movie “The hate you give” and its a clear message. We can’t shoot people then justify the action because they were in trouble previously. Civilians and police are not the judge and executioner.
I asked a friend, a republican who begrudgingly backs trump “Do yo think he is more permissive of racism or antisemitism”......Reponse was “Think of Ferguson and it happens under Obama”. Does this make the escalation justifiable? Or Trumps attitude ok now? We are becoming political tribes.

Wait, are you telling me that's why it's cool to attack LeBron for bowing down to China while ignoring a president who sat on his hands when the Soviet government was knowingly putting bounties out on U.S. soldiers? Hypocrisy is hypocrisy no matter if the person is on your "team" or not. But it's not an excuse to turn a blind eye when you see effed up crap being done. Why would China take anything we say seriously when we can't even get our own house in order? How can you say a guy should shut up and dribble one instance, then get on him for not speaking up on another?

LeBron profits millions off the back of slavery. He doesn’t need their money but he sure does take it. Makes him no better than any slave laborer— he’s complicit.

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
watched the movie “The hate you give” and its a clear message. We can’t shoot people then justify the action because they were in trouble previously. Civilians and police are not the judge and executioner.
I asked a friend, a republican who begrudgingly backs trump “Do yo think he is more permissive of racism or antisemitism”......Reponse was “Think of Ferguson and it happens under Obama”. Does this make the escalation justifiable? Or Trumps attitude ok now? We are becoming political tribes.

Wait, are you telling me that's why it's cool to attack LeBron for bowing down to China while ignoring a president who sat on his hands when the Soviet government was knowingly putting bounties out on U.S. soldiers? Hypocrisy is hypocrisy no matter if the person is on your "team" or not. But it's not an excuse to turn a blind eye when you see effed up crap being done. Why would China take anything we say seriously when we can't even get our own house in order? How can you say a guy should shut up and dribble one instance, then get on him for not speaking up on another?

LeBron profits millions off the back of slavery. He doesn’t need their money but he sure does take it. Makes him no better than any slave laborer— he’s complicit.

Whats the difference between what you claim LeBron is doing and what the NBA, NFL, MLB, NCAA, MLS, Nike, Adidas, UConn, etc...are doing as well?

BRIGGS wrote:LeBron profits millions off the back of slavery. He doesn’t need their money but he sure does take it. Makes him no better than any slave laborer— he’s complicit.

I'd like to understand how many degrees of separation LeBron has from profiting off of slavery that you would consider him complicit.

Show us your evidence of this. It's some great charge to label someone a slave laborer.

Show us BRIGGS, all you are doing is throwing around accusations

TripleThreat wrote:

“If they don’t, we won’t play again. It’s as simple as that,” said Lakers forward Anthony Davis on if the owners don’t keep their word.

Following the NBA's three-day postponement of the playoffs, Davis said players would strike again if team governors break promises outlined by the NBA and the Players Association.

A defense attorney for the fired Minneapolis police officer charged with murder in connection with the death of George Floyd is asking a judge to drop all charges, arguing the 46-year-old man's death was allegedly from a drug overdose and not caused by the officer planting his knee in the back of Floyd's neck.

Defense attorney Eric J. Nelson filed the motion in Hennepin County, Minnesota, District Court on Friday, claiming prosecutors have failed to show probable cause for charging Derek Chauvin with second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. Chauvin has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Nelson contends Chauvin acted on his training from the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) in the use of a "Maximal Restraint Technique" and did so out of concern that Floyd might harm himself or the officers struggling to arrest him.

The Minneapolis Police Department policy on "Maximal Restraint Technique" says it "shall only be used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers or others, or could cause significant damage to property if not properly restrained."
MORE: Newly released video show onlookers' reaction to George Floyd's death

Nelson also included Minneapolis Police Department training materials on the proper use of the "Maximal Restraint Technique," in which photos show demonstrations of officers simulating putting their knee on a handcuffed subject's neck. Nelson argued the training material appeared to contradict a statement made shortly after the incident by Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo that he had not seen "anything that says you place your knee on someone's neck when they're facedown, handcuffed."

"Thus, any risk created by Mr. Chauvin's conduct lies largely with those who train MPD officers and those who approve such training," Nelson wrote in the motion filed on Friday.

Nelson also cited the autopsy conducted on Floyd that found fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system, a combination of drugs Nelson says is known as a speedball. He noted that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's post-mortem report showed Floyd had arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, hypertension and sickle cell trait. Floyd also purportedly told the officers that he had contracted COVID-19 and was still positive for the virus at the time of his death, a claim confirmed by his autopsy.

"Put simply, Mr. Floyd could not breathe because he had ingested a lethal dose of fentanyl and, possibly, a speedball. Combined with sickle cell trait, his pre-existing heart conditions, Mr. Floyd's use of fentanyl and methamphetamine most likely killed him," Nelson argued. "Adding fentanyl and methamphetamine to Mr. Floyd's existing health issues was tantamount to lighting a fuse on a bomb."
MORE: George Floyd's relatives watch as 4 officers charged in killing appear in court

Nelson added a footnote quoting Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker saying, "If [Mr. Floyd] were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD."

A Sept. 11 court hearing before Judge Peter Cahill has been scheduled on the motion filed by Nelson.

The attorney for Floyd's family, Benjamin Crump, did not respond to an ABC News request for comment on the motions. Previously, Crump stated regarding the drugs in Floyd's system, "The cause of death was that he was starving for air. It was lack of oxygen. And so everything else is a red herring to try to throw us off."

An independent autopsy ordered by Floyd's family found his death was a "homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

A viral cellphone video of Floyd's fatal arrest on May 25 showed Chauvin with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck while he was handcuffed and prone on the ground next to a police patrol vehicle. Two other officers, Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng, are seen in the footage helping Chauvin restrain Floyd, whom they initially confronted when they responded to a 911 complaint that Floyd had allegedly used a phony $20 bill to purchase cigarettes at the Cup Foods store in Minneapolis.

The footage of Floyd's arrest showed him repeatedly saying "I can't breathe" and calling out for his dead mother before his body went listless. Floyd was taken by ambulance to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Floyd's death sparked nationwide outcry and massive protests across the U.S. and around the world against racial injustice. The episode, the latest in a string of police killings of unarmed Black people in the United States, has become a rallying cry against police brutality and part of a call to defund law enforcement agencies.
MORE: Timeline: The impact of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis and beyond

Lane, Kueng and Officer Tou Thao, who arrived at the scene with Chauvin when back-up was requested, have all been terminated from the Minneapolis Police Department and charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder in the death of Floyd.

Lane, Kueng, and Thao have not yet entered pleas -- in court documents, attorneys for Thao and Kueng said their clients intend to plead not guilty to the charges.

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As it applies to the NBA and future strikes, when the verdicts come out regarding the officers involved in Floyd, Blake, Taylor, etc and the Rittenhouse case, odds are someone is going to either not get convicted, or convicted of a charge that many people won't be happy with and/or not everyone involved is going to get convicted ( i.e. if two of the officers in the Floyd case are later acquitted) There's enough in place for the respective legal defenses to make this swing one way or the other.

There's probably a stronger than none chance the NBA will have another work stoppage and the long term impact might be the financial collapse of the entire league. Which will impact our Knicks. Can't have a team if there is no league.

Some people have said "This is bigger than basketball" , well it could end up that "This has no choice but to be bigger than basketball because basketball as we know it doesn't exist anymore"

On an aside, while people on UltimateKnicks don't always agree, we are all still in the same community. When these verdicts are projected to come out, everyone here should bunker up. Get inside, keep your kids inside, stockpile supplies you need depending on where you live and based on your access to essentials. No one is going to care about your politics, what you've done in this life or who depends on you. They will just drag you out of your car and beat you to death. Burn your business down. Hurt your family. Steal your livelihood. No one is coming to save you. No one is coming to save us. We have to save ourselves. There will be more riots and everyone in this community can proactively find a way to avoid most of it.

Newsflash: Defense Attorney does job!

There's always this rhetoric that the "colored folks" will have an uprising and the country will be destroyed dating back to the Civil War through to the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 64. The country still remained and became stronger. We've had people complain that lockdowns and social distancing will destroy this country and we're still standing. Yes, this country is declining, but that was happening way before the threat from China or the appearance of Covid 19. This is bigger than basketball and if I have to exchange my privilege to watch pro basketball for the right to live freely under a fair judicial system, I'll gladly make that choice.

TripleThreat wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:
There's always this rhetoric that the "colored folks" will have an uprising and the country will be destroyed dating back to the Civil War through to the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 64. The country still remained and became stronger. We've had people complain that lockdowns and social distancing will destroy this country and we're still standing. Yes, this country is declining, but that was happening way before the threat from China or the appearance of Covid 19. This is bigger than basketball and if I have to exchange my privilege to watch pro basketball for the right to live freely under a fair judicial system, I'll gladly make that choice.

Once these verdicts immediately come out, what sense is it for the average person in this UltimateKnicks community to be at a grocery store when it happens? Or downtown? Or in any public place where a lot of businesses are around?

GustavBahler wrote:The players made their point with the walkout, and still have their platform.