GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

The hyperbole is off the chain with some fans and a lot of the Media regarding Phil. This isn't the worst situation this franchise has been in. The Knicks have some promising talent and picks to add more. They aren't capped out either. Phil and his coaches are in sync and the younger players showed positive signs to close the season. All the overreacting is BS.

I would argue that continually blowing a team president, who still hasnt made the playoffs since he got here 3 years ago is BS. Lets see some fing wins, lets see a playoff appearance. Until then its all hot air.

Blowing Phil??? Very juvenile comment. Making the playoffs is the most important thing? I'd say building something sustainable is more important. How lasting was the 54 win team that made the playoffs? That didn't mean a damned thing in the long run.

I support what Phil is trying to do. His Basketball Principles are correct and maybe now we can have a team that truly lives up to them.

Juvenile is treating Phil like a deity. Until he actually puts a product on tne floor worth watching, its all talk, 3 years of talk. Ive paid Phil my share of compliments over the years, defended him on this board many times, but it isnt the NY Phil Jacksons, its the New York Knicks. and their record under his leadership has been abysmal. Until I see an upwards trajectory, its all talk.

There's been more than talk from Phil the last 3 years. There is an actual process involved in determining how this team needs to proceed. The younger and hungrier players displayed more of the proper approach to the game that we want to see. Melo should not be part of that process. Melo disrupts the Team Concept on both ends and it's time he went somewhere else to play his style of ball. We don't need that crap here.

You, some fans and the Media think this is all about Phil and his ego but you completely miss the point of what he's trying to do. Phil wants to build a lasting Culture of winning but you have to have players that want to play Team Ball. Phil is weeding out the guys that don't want to play Team Basketball. There's NOTHING wrong with that. The Media and some fans don't have to like Phil for him to do his job and make the franchise better.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

The hyperbole is off the chain with some fans and a lot of the Media regarding Phil. This isn't the worst situation this franchise has been in. The Knicks have some promising talent and picks to add more. They aren't capped out either. Phil and his coaches are in sync and the younger players showed positive signs to close the season. All the overreacting is BS.

I would argue that continually blowing a team president, who still hasnt made the playoffs since he got here 3 years ago is BS. Lets see some fing wins, lets see a playoff appearance. Until then its all hot air.

Blowing Phil??? Very juvenile comment. Making the playoffs is the most important thing? I'd say building something sustainable is more important. How lasting was the 54 win team that made the playoffs? That didn't mean a damned thing in the long run.

I support what Phil is trying to do. His Basketball Principles are correct and maybe now we can have a team that truly lives up to them.

Juvenile is treating Phil like a deity. Until he actually puts a product on tne floor worth watching, its all talk, 3 years of talk. Ive paid Phil my share of compliments over the years, defended him on this board many times, but it isnt the NY Phil Jacksons, its the New York Knicks. and their record under his leadership has been abysmal. Until I see an upwards trajectory, its all talk.

There's been more than talk from Phil the last 3 years. There is an actual process involved in determining how this team needs to proceed. The younger and hungrier players displayed more of the proper approach to the game that we want to see. Melo should not be part of that process. Melo disrupts the Team Concept on both ends and it's time he went somewhere else to play his style of ball. We don't need that crap here.

You, some fans and the Media think this is all about Phil and his ego but you completely miss the point of what he's trying to do. Phil wants to build a lasting Culture of winning but you have to have players that want to play Team Ball. Phil is weeding out the guys that don't want to play Team Basketball. There's NOTHING wrong with that. The Media and some fans don't have to like Phil for him to do his job and make the franchise better.

Yep every year he weeds out the players he brought in. Great job Phil.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

The hyperbole is off the chain with some fans and a lot of the Media regarding Phil. This isn't the worst situation this franchise has been in. The Knicks have some promising talent and picks to add more. They aren't capped out either. Phil and his coaches are in sync and the younger players showed positive signs to close the season. All the overreacting is BS.

I would argue that continually blowing a team president, who still hasnt made the playoffs since he got here 3 years ago is BS. Lets see some fing wins, lets see a playoff appearance. Until then its all hot air.

Blowing Phil??? Very juvenile comment. Making the playoffs is the most important thing? I'd say building something sustainable is more important. How lasting was the 54 win team that made the playoffs? That didn't mean a damned thing in the long run.

I support what Phil is trying to do. His Basketball Principles are correct and maybe now we can have a team that truly lives up to them.

Juvenile is treating Phil like a deity. Until he actually puts a product on tne floor worth watching, its all talk, 3 years of talk. Ive paid Phil my share of compliments over the years, defended him on this board many times, but it isnt the NY Phil Jacksons, its the New York Knicks. and their record under his leadership has been abysmal. Until I see an upwards trajectory, its all talk.

There's been more than talk from Phil the last 3 years. There is an actual process involved in determining how this team needs to proceed. The younger and hungrier players displayed more of the proper approach to the game that we want to see. Melo should not be part of that process. Melo disrupts the Team Concept on both ends and it's time he went somewhere else to play his style of ball. We don't need that crap here.

You, some fans and the Media think this is all about Phil and his ego but you completely miss the point of what he's trying to do. Phil wants to build a lasting Culture of winning but you have to have players that want to play Team Ball. Phil is weeding out the guys that don't want to play Team Basketball. There's NOTHING wrong with that. The Media and some fans don't have to like Phil for him to do his job and make the franchise better.

My bad for losing my cool. If you want a more diplomatic response, I suggest you do the same. Ive pointed out the good things Phil has done for this franchise, including developing players. The problem is that Phil is having a really hard fing time finding those "mythical" (copyright Nalod 2017) Triangle players.

How many have gone through here since Phil got the job? 70? IDK. I do know that it shouldn't be this hard to find players to fit, to thrive, in a system. If it is that difficult, if it results in cleaning house over and over again, to find those elusive players, then maybe its time to find a new system. Especially if players arent sticking around long enough to learn it.

In another thread you tried to blame Melo for KP skipping the exit interview (warned you guys early on about this situation possibly developing)

When every thing bad that happens to the Knicks is directed at one player, the player said president gave a max deal and an NTC, one wonders what Phil actually has to do to get you guys to put some real blame for the fortunes of this team, this franchise, on him?

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/853005181809811456

It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.

Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...

Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....

If it ever gets to the point where KP leaves, I guarantee there will be guys here vilifying him, too

The other thing is - if Phil doesn't think stars around the league didn't notice he just blamed Melo for everything, he's wrong. They noticed. No star will ever come play for Phil or Dolan (the Oak incident among many others)

What star was coming here anyway? We got a fake star volume shooter who needs leadership and a lot of talent to push him through everything. Sorry guys but you are lost if you think players want to play in NY they want no piece of it and that is more because of media. They are to negative some fan eat that up.

You got Melo here on a trade only one that came as a free agent was Amare he is the one who turned it around. Melo wants to win but he only wants to score to win but no defense.

I always said Melo might be the greatest guy off the court and he is like probably the best friend you could ask for. KP became very attached to Melo which is probably hard on KP. But he has to realize that it's his time and his team to take forward, be the leader that Melo could never be. Being a leader doesn't necessarily mean be the best friend. It means asking a lot of yourself and your teammates. To lead by example on both ends of the court put hours in the gym and film room. Knowing the system and what is asked of you and everyone else.

WP76 wrote:After 10 pages of discussion and listening to 9.5 minutes of Francesa's rant, I'm not sure what to be believe or where we go from here. As much as I'd like to think otherwise, any objective observer would conclude that this team is a clueless, rudderless dumpster fire. Dolan and Phil know they have a success-starved fan base that would kill to see a consistently credible NBA team and they take advantage of that fact. It is pretty obvious that Melo and Rose can't be on the roster next year and that we'll give up Melo for pennies on the dollar. Maybe we can win 33 games next year and point to the "progress" we've made--just another year in the purgatory of being a Knicks fan..sigh.

If Melo and Rose are not on the Knicks and they win 33 games with a youth movement doesn't that progress have more meaning going forward, than winning 33 games with Melo and Rose? That would mean that you have young players coming into their own and they are building toward sustained winning.

I see you point about it looking like a rudderless boat just drifting in the ocean. But a move has to be made by management to try and get it right b cause whatever we have now isn't working.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/853005181809811456

It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.

Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...Phil want to make an example of Melo I think...

Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....

PLEASE! KP said he likes the Triangle and thinks the team should've focused on it from day one. THe Kids all seemed to love playing Team Ball in the Motion Offense. I just don't think the narrative you want to be true is supported by the facts.

“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”

“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kristaps-porzingis-a-fan-of-the-knicks-triangle-offense-1.13193523

I admire your unwavering loyalty to Knicks management, but KP just skipped the exit interview. That's not a sign that he loves anything about playing here.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:If I am a team that wants Melo I am signing Lou Amundson and at least one other high character undrafted journey men to include in the trade. I think that gets it done.

Funny but Phil clearly wants more than that.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

The hyperbole is off the chain with some fans and a lot of the Media regarding Phil. This isn't the worst situation this franchise has been in. The Knicks have some promising talent and picks to add more. They aren't capped out either. Phil and his coaches are in sync and the younger players showed positive signs to close the season. All the overreacting is BS.

I would argue that continually blowing a team president, who still hasnt made the playoffs since he got here 3 years ago is BS. Lets see some fing wins, lets see a playoff appearance. Until then its all hot air.

Blowing Phil??? Very juvenile comment. Making the playoffs is the most important thing? I'd say building something sustainable is more important. How lasting was the 54 win team that made the playoffs? That didn't mean a damned thing in the long run.

I support what Phil is trying to do. His Basketball Principles are correct and maybe now we can have a team that truly lives up to them.

Juvenile is treating Phil like a deity. Until he actually puts a product on tne floor worth watching, its all talk, 3 years of talk. Ive paid Phil my share of compliments over the years, defended him on this board many times, but it isnt the NY Phil Jacksons, its the New York Knicks. and their record under his leadership has been abysmal. Until I see an upwards trajectory, its all talk.

There's been more than talk from Phil the last 3 years. There is an actual process involved in determining how this team needs to proceed. The younger and hungrier players displayed more of the proper approach to the game that we want to see. Melo should not be part of that process. Melo disrupts the Team Concept on both ends and it's time he went somewhere else to play his style of ball. We don't need that crap here.

You, some fans and the Media think this is all about Phil and his ego but you completely miss the point of what he's trying to do. Phil wants to build a lasting Culture of winning but you have to have players that want to play Team Ball. Phil is weeding out the guys that don't want to play Team Basketball. There's NOTHING wrong with that. The Media and some fans don't have to like Phil for him to do his job and make the franchise better.

Ahhh, refreshing. Somebody that gets it. Been watching the press conference and everything he says is 100% spot on so far. Not sure what all this hate is about, some blind haters. Phil is working on a winning team and a bright future, not just hoping to strike gold in a few years and get a ring. These podcasts and quotes and tweets are moronic. A bunch of nobodies just looking for attention maybe. Of course Melo is gonna try and play it cool and oppose because what Phil is saying is true and makes Melo look bad. KP wants to be cool and be buds with Melo so he liked the post, big deal.