Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035736/carmelo-anthony-accepting-reduced-role-new-york-knicks-sees-writing-wall

Yes! Great job accepting your role!

"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."

Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!

"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."

Ummmmmm i don't understand what he said that was wrong and really don't feel like reading through all these posts so if someone can just answer my post with what he said that was so bad that would be great??

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

It's the usual suspects that will nitpick a player or 2 from a list of 10 and totally change the landscape of the conversation time and time again avoid the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn't a winning player who can pass, defend and lead a team.

Barkley was ripping down 12 boards a night for his career at 6'6". How many is Melo pulling down?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

It's the usual suspects that will nitpick a player or 2 from a list of 10 and totally change the landscape of the conversation to time and time again avoid the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn't a winning player who can pass, defend and lead a team.

Barkley was ripping down 12 boards a night for his career at 6'6". How many is Melo pulling down?

“I’m just disappointed that he hasn’t had the cast around him that really would take him to the next level and meet that desire of winning a championship,” King said.

CrushAlot wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

It's the usual suspects that will nitpick a player or 2 from a list of 10 and totally change the landscape of the conversation to time and time again avoid the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn't a winning player who can pass, defend and lead a team.

Barkley was ripping down 12 boards a night for his career at 6'6". How many is Melo pulling down?

“I’m just disappointed that he hasn’t had the cast around him that really would take him to the next level and meet that desire of winning a championship,” King said.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/66350/bernard-king-carmelo-anthony-hasnt-had-the-cast-around-him-to-compete-for-a-title-with-the-knicks
Count Bernard King in with the usual suspects.

Bernard King says Melo hasn't had the cast around him to compete for a title? Gee, thanks Bernard. Where would I be in life without you?

Does the moron also think Melo hasn't had the cast around him to at least get his team into the playoffs in a weak ass Eastern Conference year after year? Or does he also think Melo doesn't have the cast around him to compete hard every night, defend well and stop holding the ball to only end up taking a low percentage shot?

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Just to be clear, Phil basically "forced" the Triangle on the Bulls and Lakers! I know it's hard to remember such things but MJ didn't openly accept the change the Triangle placed on him. People tend to forget how it really went down now after all the Championships.

The Bulls and Lakers did eventually buy in and went on to win Titles but they did buck against the changes at first. The difference between those players response and how Melo and Rose responded is telling. No matter what you run the best players MUST BUY IN.

If you're talking about why this season was a failure, they didn't try to install the Triangle til after the all-star break, so not sure where the Triangle fits into this season. They were running Hornacek's system up til the all-star break. Good luck trying to define whatever mess Hornacek was supposedly running. I know, I know, it's all Melo's fault Hornacek was running a confusing half-system.

No I was just making the point that they didn't just mess around trying to find a system that fit the talent in Chicago and LA. Phil and Tex "forced" the Triangle on the Bulls and Lakers. The difference is that the players eventually bought in and no matter what you run the players have to buy in. Especially the best players.

You can stop with the BS about it "all being Melo's fault". It's missing the point everyone but a few are trying to make. I'm done with Melo. Stay or go, I want the team to focus on bringing in players that "GET IT". Melo never has. I thought maybe he was when he was really passing the ball last year but...

So players that "GET IT" like Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kobe Bryant. Got it. That shouldn't be too hard.

Imagine Erik Spoelstra had a system in Miami he called, let's say "the Spo-kangle" and he took credit for using it to get Lebron James and Dwyane Wade to buy in and finally win it all. Would you think he was full of baloney, like most of the league thinks Phil is? Or would you think the "Spo-kangle" was the one true system and the right way to play for every team?

Go Jets!! Jets Jets Jets.

You are arguing against yourself. Spoelstra could have ran spo-kangle? With Wade, LBJ, Bosh and good role players, he could have ran tic tac toe and won it all. That is the point!! With Jordan, Pippen, anyone could have won it all. Dont give me this bull**** that it was because Phil's magic needed to be bought in to. It was simple, Pistons kicked MJ's ass and then the following years MJ went to a new level and Pistons were no longer as good. Stop with the "Until they bought in to the Triangle" bull****

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

If you want to do the leg work..The compare the players who play with studs versus when they play with saps...Compare the career averages..Like when Bron left Miami and went back to Cleveland when Love got hurt..What was his 56.5% vs. FG% 41.7% when he was the only option...Phil hooked him up the following year tho...

There's more to the game than just FG% though. Lebron was a beast on the boards, passing, defense, etc. If Melo's shot isn't falling, he's basically useless.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

If you want to do the leg work..The compare the players who play with studs versus when they play with saps...Compare the career averages..Like when Bron left Miami and went back to Cleveland when Love got hurt..What was his 56.5% vs. FG% 41.7% when he was the only option...Phil hooked him up the following year tho...

There's more to the game than just FG% though. Lebron was a beast on the boards, passing, defense, etc. If Melo's shot isn't falling, he's basically useless.

Breaking news - Melo is not Lebron James.

I have some more for you - neither is KP.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

If you want to do the leg work..The compare the players who play with studs versus when they play with saps...Compare the career averages..Like when Bron left Miami and went back to Cleveland when Love got hurt..What was his 56.5% vs. FG% 41.7% when he was the only option...Phil hooked him up the following year tho...

There's more to the game than just FG% though. Lebron was a beast on the boards, passing, defense, etc. If Melo's shot isn't falling, he's basically useless.

knicks1248 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Just out of curiousity.

Do you guys blame Jimmy Butler for the dysfunction in Chicago?

Was it KG's fault the Timberwolves sucked and he didn't win jack until he got traded to Boston and teamed up with two other actual stars in their primes?

Is it Chris Paul's fault the Clippers never made it out of the second round?

Is it Anthony Davis's fault the Pelicans suck?

Was it Barkley's fault the Sixers never won a championship?

Was it Chris Webber's fault the Kings didn't make it past the Lakers?

Just wondering where these other NBA greats who couldn't get over the hump on dysfunctional or even great teams stand in your minds.

I looked at this and one thing jumped out.

They're all good to great defensive players.

Your friend Carmelo isn't.

Barkley and Webber played defense???..Stop it man...

LOL... yea. Just stop it.

How many of those guys have a career .417 FG% in the playoffs? Or a 40 point drop from the regular season to the post?

Its on the Knicks FO. They thought Melo was an alpha. He never was and never has been. He had enough big dogs on the 54 win team. He's a HOF scorer. As a lead guy you get what the Knicks got. A couple good season and mostly mediocre play.

It's the usual suspects that will nitpick a player or 2 from a list of 10 and totally change the landscape of the conversation to time and time again avoid the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn't a winning player who can pass, defend and lead a team.

Barkley was ripping down 12 boards a night for his career at 6'6". How many is Melo pulling down?

“I’m just disappointed that he hasn’t had the cast around him that really would take him to the next level and meet that desire of winning a championship,” King said.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/66350/bernard-king-carmelo-anthony-hasnt-had-the-cast-around-him-to-compete-for-a-title-with-the-knicks
Count Bernard King in with the usual suspects.

Bernard King says Melo hasn't had the cast around him to compete for a title? Gee, thanks Bernard. Where would I be in life without you?

Does the moron also think Melo hasn't had the cast around him to at least get his team into the playoffs in a weak ass Eastern Conference year after year? Or does he also think Melo doesn't have the cast around him to compete hard every night, defend well and stop holding the ball to only end up taking a low percentage shot?

yeah, but he was doing that until phil came in his life, and it's been zero playoffs since

As the focal piece of the team, if the President of Basketball Operations is "preventing" you from getting into the playoffs with a team that should be in the playoffs, the problem isn't the president.

Think about that for a while.

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