BRIGGS wrote:P Diddy--saying exactly what Im saying--and its common sense.

Diddy, who just opened a charter school in Harlem, apparently isn’t buying Clinton’s wide lead among African-Americans over GOP opponent Donald Trump. Clinton’s spent many Sundays visiting black churches and made gun violence and police shootings a platform of her campaign through talks with African-American mothers whose children were killed.

“Hillary Clinton, you know, I hope she starts to directly talk to the black community. … It really makes me feel, you know, almost hurt that our issues are not addressed and we’re such a big part of the voting bloc.”

Diddy, an Obama supporter who also donated money to Clinton’s New York Senate race, said it’s time for black voters to get something in return for their political support.

“The heat has to be turned up so much that as a community, we got to hold our vote,” Diddy said. “Don’t pacify yourself, really revolutionize the game. Make them come for our vote. It’s a whole different strategy, but I think we need to hold our vote because I don’t believe any of them.”

But is Diddy saying give Trump a shot like what you are saying? We do get taken for granted, but the GOP as currently constiuated sure doesn't seem like much an ally: voter ID BS in NC a prime example.

BRIGGS wrote:P Diddy--saying exactly what Im saying--and its common sense.

Diddy, who just opened a charter school in Harlem, apparently isn’t buying Clinton’s wide lead among African-Americans over GOP opponent Donald Trump. Clinton’s spent many Sundays visiting black churches and made gun violence and police shootings a platform of her campaign through talks with African-American mothers whose children were killed.

“Hillary Clinton, you know, I hope she starts to directly talk to the black community. … It really makes me feel, you know, almost hurt that our issues are not addressed and we’re such a big part of the voting bloc.”

Diddy, an Obama supporter who also donated money to Clinton’s New York Senate race, said it’s time for black voters to get something in return for their political support.

“The heat has to be turned up so much that as a community, we got to hold our vote,” Diddy said. “Don’t pacify yourself, really revolutionize the game. Make them come for our vote. It’s a whole different strategy, but I think we need to hold our vote because I don’t believe any of them.”

Stevo718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

I am not trying to change you believes Nix.
If someone believes in some religion or some political or social concept like you do there is no way to argue with him with some rational arguments.
Believe is based on faith not facts. So bless you man to stay with your believes. I just do not want this utopia ideas to be spread around and poison other rational people minds.
This is dangerous. So my arguments do not pointed on you.

Nice try but everything I post is based in FACT as well as lived experience. My people have been here since before this became an independent country. I know EXACTLY what has happened with my people from the beginning until this day and many of my still living relatives who can attest to what happened FIRST HAND! My 94 year old Grandmother is not somehow unclear on what she and her parents had to go thru! Neither my 70 year old father! It is YOU who are ignorant of the facts my friend.

So I have all the FACTS well in hand. Whatever subject you'd like to address regarding the plight of African Americans I am glad to help you to more fully understand. I can tell you with total certainty that you do not know what you're talking about. Your own frame of reference is not 100% applicable to the specific problems of African Americans.

So when I say that Trump is not the answer to the problems African Americans face I know what I'm talking about. This notion that all AA's have to do is lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and they can be just as successful as let's say Jewish Americans has NEVER been true. The barriors and impediments have been much greater throughout the entire history of this country.

Let me break it down for you why the South was so violently racist and why they felt it necessary to oppress the Black population and stop them from being able to vote and hold political office.

1870 Percentage of Black population per state in the South. 
South Carolina - 58.9% Black
Mississippi - 53.7% Black
Louisiana - 50.1% Black
Florida - 48.8% Black
Alabama - 47.7% Black
Georgia - 46% Black
Virginia - 41.9% Black
North Carolina - 36.6% Black
District of Columbia - 33% Black
Texas - 31% Black

Once the 15th Amendment was passed and African Americans could vote and run for office it had the potential to completely change the balance of power in the South. So Southern Whites resorted to extreme violence to keep their hold on power. This is the truth behind all the problems.

I agree that the white man has held blacks down for a long time NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT! Sh*t those poor Africans get it the worst, their lives are practically worthless to the rest of the world. BUT ya'll gotta move on!

Asians come here they don't even speak English barely and they hustling and making money and they been doing it for a long time, even when Asians weren't Asian but "chinks". They built the railroads, started communities and businesses, their kids studied hard and went to top universities and many thrive and have great jobs. They faced racism also, not to the extent that blacks do most of the time but they had to face trials and tribulations nonetheless.

Here is the problem and I will face a lot of backlash for this but im tired of being PC we need some honesty. If English is your native tongue and you still cant speak it properly then good luck getting a job! If you "AX" someone a question then good luck getting a job. If your name is Shakwan or Shanene or some kind of variation it is statistically proven that your resume will not get an interview over a "Stacey Flores" or a "Michael Johnson". If you come to the interview wearing a tie with pants hanging off your ass you probably wont get a job! If you got tattoos on your face you probably wont get the job!
ETC ETC.... BUT...

I have seen A LOT LESS racism towards blacks that are normal people. Im talking about blacks that are just like any other average normal American meaning not wearing chains and baggy clothing and a do rag, speaking normal English, holding down regular jobs. I think a lot of racism is towards the ghetto ass black people. And I truly think that if you are ghetto of any race then OF COURSE your gonna be treated differently.

I also think we have to stop glorifying rappers and we need to stop showing black people in a negative light so much, If I was black I would almost feel brainwashed by society into thinking that the only way for me to succeed would be to be a sports athlete, rapper or drug dealer. Im a huge fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson cause hes such a cool astrophysicist and the fact that a young black person can watch him and think "hey I can be a astrophysicist also!". We need to eliminate "Black History Month" and just integrate that during the regular school year, there are so many influential black people that contributed to the American society and history and are just sadly never included in the curriculums. But why teach about them only one month out of the year? Why segregate African Americans into just one month, they are just as American as the Dutch Americans and German Americans and so on.

Like I said before NO ONE is gonna help black people except yourselves. For those that are ghetto you cant stay ghetto and expect to be treated like everybody else, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna "keep it real" then don't complain about the consequences and how the "man" keeps you down.

Once again you like others don't truly understand the depth of the problem. You don't understand the Slave Mentality that had been purposefully ingrained by hundreds of years of brainwashing. Do you know about Slave Factories? In order to make Africans compliant they had the Slaves brought to places were they beat and basically broke the spirit of the Slaves before bringing them to the U.S. Once in the U.S. the mental conditioning continued with more violence and intimidation. After any Slave rebellion they cracked down even harder.

Stripped of your language and culture. Told you are nothing. Not allowed to be educated or to even marry legally. Knowing they could sell your child at any time. Having your women raped an not able to do anything about it. Forced to work on farms even after the Civil War and spending another 100 years of near slavery, oppression, lack of education, violence, segregation and being less than.

To this day I don't know all of my family because they spread my ancestors across 6 states. I was the first of my family to be born with the right to vote. Even tho it was still not 100% guaranteed everywhere. Segregation even now is still in existence. Jim Crow I it's old form is no more but a new and more sophisticated version still exists. How much damage do you think those conditions inflict on a people? It's only been 50 years since the Civil Rights era. You think all those problems could be fixed in such a short period of time? Especially with a system DESIGNED to keep the status quo still very much in place throughout the country.

Some African Americans have made it out but a large enough portion are still trapped. Go into Mississippi or Louisiana backwaters and you'd be Shocked!!! Like I've said the majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States. Things have not significantly changed for them.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

I disagree that Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Most of the problems this country faces began or were accelerated during the Clinton presidency. Policies which Secretary Clinton fully supported at the time. Someone who took a very visible role in her husband's administration. No traditional first lady was she (yoda)

Even though she has reversed herself on the TPP, the head of her campaign and her pick for VP are ardent supporters for this trade pack. If it passes the Supreme Court will take a back seat to 3 corporate lawyers who will decide any lawsuit brought by a corporation against the US, and the US govt will not have any recourse. Its effectively ceding control of our govt to multi-national corporations. Trump is against the trade pack, Clinton I guarantee will support it again when elected. They both present horrific problems for this country if elected.

The crime bill was horrible I agree..But you can't hide from globalization. You either write the rules of the road or have it written for you. In a decade, 4 of the 5 largest economies on the planet will be in Asia. It's time to pivot away from the Middle East towards Asia if we are going to remain a global power. I worry that people like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are short sighted in this manner. They play on people's fears. None of Bernie's proposals were possible. One estimate that all of Bernie's programs proposals would cost over 30 trillion dollars. Please reread the merits of NAFTA and you will see we are well ahead of the game in that trade deal. Listen, I get that some people will lose their jobs, that's a given. Estimates are that 45% of the jobs will be gone in a decade due to automation and robots. Taxi drivers and truck drivers won't be around in a decade...We can stand around and play the protectionist game and let it happen or write the rules of the road to unsure we have a seat at the table and tilt the balance in our direction...

holfresh, re: TPP, Obama was on Fareed Zakaria's show Sunday morning and I think he mentioned that 4 out of 5 stat. Got to admit, it made me think if I should rethink support for the TPP. I don't know... I remember being in a supermarket union in high school after school job in 90-92, the newspaper warned against NAFTA and non-union shops like Walmart. Have to say a lot of what they warned re: jobs came true, but it was also alreading happening since the 70s. I see the need to counter the strength of China but who knows how it will really shake out. Bottom line these issues are above my paygrade.

Yeah, TPP is more than just a trade deal, but Bernie knows that, which is what disappoints me about him...I respect your opinion tho..But I really believe one thing doesn't necessarily means the other will occur. I thought it was inevitable anyway..Automation change the cost of goods to your table...The large capacity stores will always have the upper hand to negotiate better deals and strategies to achieve cheaper prices...We have to make deals to get other concessions in return...We will lose jobs but we must get an industry that creates other jobs..Just the way I see it...One thing in life is certain and that's constant change is the norm..We can't look to the past but yprepare to thrive in the future...

That's why I respected Obama..He was/is a thinking man's President...Shifting policy from the Middle East to Asia is key...Last thing we need is to get bog down in the non-consequential Middle East...You notice ISIS is ravaging Europe and they aren't putting any boots on the ground..I'm afraid if either Hillary or McCain was President we would have at least 4 wars brewing there now...Hopefully Hillary learned something the last 8 years..Trump isn't thinking that way, he is a narcissist bigot..His concerns are small minded in nature...Who has time to be a racist pig in today's world when so many things needs to be done..Trump does...He isn't ready or qualified to lead us into a new challenging era where education and technology will mean the difference in outcomes in the next fifty years...You think Asia hasn't been gearing up for this..It's on...

TPercy wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:P Diddy--saying exactly what Im saying--and its common sense.

Diddy, who just opened a charter school in Harlem, apparently isn’t buying Clinton’s wide lead among African-Americans over GOP opponent Donald Trump. Clinton’s spent many Sundays visiting black churches and made gun violence and police shootings a platform of her campaign through talks with African-American mothers whose children were killed.

“Hillary Clinton, you know, I hope she starts to directly talk to the black community. … It really makes me feel, you know, almost hurt that our issues are not addressed and we’re such a big part of the voting bloc.”

Diddy, an Obama supporter who also donated money to Clinton’s New York Senate race, said it’s time for black voters to get something in return for their political support.

“The heat has to be turned up so much that as a community, we got to hold our vote,” Diddy said. “Don’t pacify yourself, really revolutionize the game. Make them come for our vote. It’s a whole different strategy, but I think we need to hold our vote because I don’t believe any of them.”

But is Diddy saying give Trump a shot like what you are saying? We do get taken for granted, but the GOP as currently constiuated sure doesn't seem like much an ally: voter ID BS in NC a prime example.

If anything I would be more inclined to move away from the Democratic base. The reasoning behind the opposition to voter ID law is kind of amazing.
"Voter ID Laws are discriminatory"
"Why"
"Because Black people are less sophisticated than white people"

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:P Diddy--saying exactly what Im saying--and its common sense.

Diddy, who just opened a charter school in Harlem, apparently isn’t buying Clinton’s wide lead among African-Americans over GOP opponent Donald Trump. Clinton’s spent many Sundays visiting black churches and made gun violence and police shootings a platform of her campaign through talks with African-American mothers whose children were killed.

“Hillary Clinton, you know, I hope she starts to directly talk to the black community. … It really makes me feel, you know, almost hurt that our issues are not addressed and we’re such a big part of the voting bloc.”

Diddy, an Obama supporter who also donated money to Clinton’s New York Senate race, said it’s time for black voters to get something in return for their political support.

“The heat has to be turned up so much that as a community, we got to hold our vote,” Diddy said. “Don’t pacify yourself, really revolutionize the game. Make them come for our vote. It’s a whole different strategy, but I think we need to hold our vote because I don’t believe any of them.”

But is Diddy saying give Trump a shot like what you are saying? We do get taken for granted, but the GOP as currently constiuated sure doesn't seem like much an ally: voter ID BS in NC a prime example.

If anything I would be more inclined to move away from the Democratic base. The reasoning behind the opposition to voter ID law is kind of amazing.
"Voter ID Laws are discriminatory"
"Why"
"Because Black people are less sophisticated than white people"

If you aren't well informed on a topic, why post about it?

Tell em martin!

TPercy, we did a whole back and forth about this voter ID topic with a poster called actofgod a couple years ago. You are sophisticated so I'm sure if you are so inclined you can Google for it. All his lame arguments for voter ID I pretty much dismantled. But cute retort.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

I am not trying to change you believes Nix.
If someone believes in some religion or some political or social concept like you do there is no way to argue with him with some rational arguments.
Believe is based on faith not facts. So bless you man to stay with your believes. I just do not want this utopia ideas to be spread around and poison other rational people minds.
This is dangerous. So my arguments do not pointed on you.

Nice try but everything I post is based in FACT as well as lived experience. My people have been here since before this became an independent country. I know EXACTLY what has happened with my people from the beginning until this day and many of my still living relatives who can attest to what happened FIRST HAND! My 94 year old Grandmother is not somehow unclear on what she and her parents had to go thru! Neither my 70 year old father! It is YOU who are ignorant of the facts my friend.

So I have all the FACTS well in hand. Whatever subject you'd like to address regarding the plight of African Americans I am glad to help you to more fully understand. I can tell you with total certainty that you do not know what you're talking about. Your own frame of reference is not 100% applicable to the specific problems of African Americans.

So when I say that Trump is not the answer to the problems African Americans face I know what I'm talking about. This notion that all AA's have to do is lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and they can be just as successful as let's say Jewish Americans has NEVER been true. The barriors and impediments have been much greater throughout the entire history of this country.

Let me break it down for you why the South was so violently racist and why they felt it necessary to oppress the Black population and stop them from being able to vote and hold political office.

1870 Percentage of Black population per state in the South. 
South Carolina - 58.9% Black
Mississippi - 53.7% Black
Louisiana - 50.1% Black
Florida - 48.8% Black
Alabama - 47.7% Black
Georgia - 46% Black
Virginia - 41.9% Black
North Carolina - 36.6% Black
District of Columbia - 33% Black
Texas - 31% Black

Once the 15th Amendment was passed and African Americans could vote and run for office it had the potential to completely change the balance of power in the South. So Southern Whites resorted to extreme violence to keep their hold on power. This is the truth behind all the problems.

I agree that the white man has held blacks down for a long time NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT! Sh*t those poor Africans get it the worst, their lives are practically worthless to the rest of the world. BUT ya'll gotta move on!

Asians come here they don't even speak English barely and they hustling and making money and they been doing it for a long time, even when Asians weren't Asian but "chinks". They built the railroads, started communities and businesses, their kids studied hard and went to top universities and many thrive and have great jobs. They faced racism also, not to the extent that blacks do most of the time but they had to face trials and tribulations nonetheless.

Here is the problem and I will face a lot of backlash for this but im tired of being PC we need some honesty. If English is your native tongue and you still cant speak it properly then good luck getting a job! If you "AX" someone a question then good luck getting a job. If your name is Shakwan or Shanene or some kind of variation it is statistically proven that your resume will not get an interview over a "Stacey Flores" or a "Michael Johnson". If you come to the interview wearing a tie with pants hanging off your ass you probably wont get a job! If you got tattoos on your face you probably wont get the job!
ETC ETC.... BUT...

I have seen A LOT LESS racism towards blacks that are normal people. Im talking about blacks that are just like any other average normal American meaning not wearing chains and baggy clothing and a do rag, speaking normal English, holding down regular jobs. I think a lot of racism is towards the ghetto ass black people. And I truly think that if you are ghetto of any race then OF COURSE your gonna be treated differently.

I also think we have to stop glorifying rappers and we need to stop showing black people in a negative light so much, If I was black I would almost feel brainwashed by society into thinking that the only way for me to succeed would be to be a sports athlete, rapper or drug dealer. Im a huge fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson cause hes such a cool astrophysicist and the fact that a young black person can watch him and think "hey I can be a astrophysicist also!". We need to eliminate "Black History Month" and just integrate that during the regular school year, there are so many influential black people that contributed to the American society and history and are just sadly never included in the curriculums. But why teach about them only one month out of the year? Why segregate African Americans into just one month, they are just as American as the Dutch Americans and German Americans and so on.

Like I said before NO ONE is gonna help black people except yourselves. For those that are ghetto you cant stay ghetto and expect to be treated like everybody else, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna "keep it real" then don't complain about the consequences and how the "man" keeps you down.

Once again you like others don't truly understand the depth of the problem. You don't understand the Slave Mentality that had been purposefully ingrained by hundreds of years of brainwashing. Do you know about Slave Factories? In order to make Africans compliant they had the Slaves brought to places were they beat and basically broke the spirit of the Slaves before bringing them to the U.S. Once in the U.S. the mental conditioning continued with more violence and intimidation. After any Slave rebellion they cracked down even harder.

Stripped of your language and culture. Told you are nothing. Not allowed to be educated or to even marry legally. Knowing they could sell your child at any time. Having your women raped an not able to do anything about it. Forced to work on farms even after the Civil War and spending another 100 years of near slavery, oppression, lack of education, violence, segregation and being less than.

To this day I don't know all of my family because they spread my ancestors across 6 states. I was the first of my family to be born with the right to vote. Even tho it was still not 100% guaranteed everywhere. Segregation even now is still in existence. Jim Crow I it's old form is no more but a new and more sophisticated version still exists. How much damage do you think those conditions inflict on a people? It's only been 50 years since the Civil Rights era. You think all those problems could be fixed in such a short period of time? Especially with a system DESIGNED to keep the status quo still very much in place throughout the country.

Some African Americans have made it out but a large enough portion are still trapped. Go into Mississippi or Louisiana backwaters and you'd be Shocked!!! Like I've said the majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States. Things have not significantly changed for them.

At the same time we don't want to make it seem like African Americans haven't been able to recover mentally from slavery because it was more then just slavery. Slavery was followed by many events afterwards that has shaped the African American communities today.

Slavery was followed by segregation and redlining. Blacks were forced to support themselves. In being forced to do so blacks created Black Wall Street. Which was burned down due to jealousy of slave success. After segregation ended it pretty much killed black owned businesses while increasing revenue towards majority white owned businesses that they weren't receiving previously due to segregation. Red lining then denied financial services to blacks communities creating urban decay or ghettos. During this timeline Martin Luther King was assassinated as he started pushing for wealth distribution for blacks. As well as John F Kennedy, Malcom X, Robert Kennedy. With urban decay and black leadership like Martin Luther King eliminated. This was followed up with the massive influx of drugs and guns flooded into ghetto areas(With allegations of CIA involvment), and the war on drugs that followed which turned into mass incarceration of African Americans.

Yes! As I've tried to lay out its a very deep problem because of all the attacks from different directions. The Great Recession wiped out 40% of minority's wealth, which wasn't that much to begin with. This was a devistating blow on top of unemployment. Part of the problem was predatory lending practices. The sheer volume of negative impacts is overwhelming. I actually work to try and help underserved and underprivileged youth. A lot of these families have never excelled past the damage done going all the way back to Slavery. No one in their family having achieved higher education. So it's a very big issue and I don't see how Trump would be the answer to their problems. He would be the very guy blocking these people from his own apartments.

What exactly has trump outlined to help the economics of the black community?
Briggs, what diddy is saying his wants to leverage his demographic for a promise from a candidate. Not "Hey, lets try new stuff".

BTW, how does the federal government actually stop the shooting in Chicago? Make sure the water in flint was clean?
Republicans cry that "Washington sticking their nose where its not suppose to be", but then when left in republicans hands, the water is foul in Flint, and they want to come into the bathroom in North Carolina.

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:P Diddy--saying exactly what Im saying--and its common sense.

Diddy, who just opened a charter school in Harlem, apparently isn’t buying Clinton’s wide lead among African-Americans over GOP opponent Donald Trump. Clinton’s spent many Sundays visiting black churches and made gun violence and police shootings a platform of her campaign through talks with African-American mothers whose children were killed.

“Hillary Clinton, you know, I hope she starts to directly talk to the black community. … It really makes me feel, you know, almost hurt that our issues are not addressed and we’re such a big part of the voting bloc.”

Diddy, an Obama supporter who also donated money to Clinton’s New York Senate race, said it’s time for black voters to get something in return for their political support.

“The heat has to be turned up so much that as a community, we got to hold our vote,” Diddy said. “Don’t pacify yourself, really revolutionize the game. Make them come for our vote. It’s a whole different strategy, but I think we need to hold our vote because I don’t believe any of them.”

But is Diddy saying give Trump a shot like what you are saying? We do get taken for granted, but the GOP as currently constiuated sure doesn't seem like much an ally: voter ID BS in NC a prime example.

If anything I would be more inclined to move away from the Democratic base. The reasoning behind the opposition to voter ID law is kind of amazing.
"Voter ID Laws are discriminatory"
"Why"
"Because Black people are less sophisticated than white people"

You think this ish is funny?

And in April 2013, a top aide to the Republican House speaker asked for "a breakdown, by race, of those registered voters in your database that do not have a driver's license number."

A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state's ugly history of blocking African-Americans from voting - practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it "the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow." Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted "African-Americans with almost surgical precision."

http://www.vagazette.com/news/nationworld/ct-north-carolina-voter-id-law-20160902-story,amp.html

If the Voter ID law in North Carolina was so discriminatory and set to deter the African American vote, then it certainly failed because the African American voter turnout increased by 2% the following year in NC and the voter turnout was higher in the states that required voter ID.(Or maybe it just didn't happen?) And it is not like an ID is hard to obtain, the state would provide one to you...for free!

Funny enough, a majority of black democrats were in support of voter ID laws and last time I checked, it isn't racist to protect the rights of every US Citizen to vote.

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:P Diddy--saying exactly what Im saying--and its common sense.

Diddy, who just opened a charter school in Harlem, apparently isn’t buying Clinton’s wide lead among African-Americans over GOP opponent Donald Trump. Clinton’s spent many Sundays visiting black churches and made gun violence and police shootings a platform of her campaign through talks with African-American mothers whose children were killed.

“Hillary Clinton, you know, I hope she starts to directly talk to the black community. … It really makes me feel, you know, almost hurt that our issues are not addressed and we’re such a big part of the voting bloc.”

Diddy, an Obama supporter who also donated money to Clinton’s New York Senate race, said it’s time for black voters to get something in return for their political support.

“The heat has to be turned up so much that as a community, we got to hold our vote,” Diddy said. “Don’t pacify yourself, really revolutionize the game. Make them come for our vote. It’s a whole different strategy, but I think we need to hold our vote because I don’t believe any of them.”

But is Diddy saying give Trump a shot like what you are saying? We do get taken for granted, but the GOP as currently constiuated sure doesn't seem like much an ally: voter ID BS in NC a prime example.

If anything I would be more inclined to move away from the Democratic base. The reasoning behind the opposition to voter ID law is kind of amazing.
"Voter ID Laws are discriminatory"
"Why"
"Because Black people are less sophisticated than white people"

You think this ish is funny?

And in April 2013, a top aide to the Republican House speaker asked for "a breakdown, by race, of those registered voters in your database that do not have a driver's license number."

A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state's ugly history of blocking African-Americans from voting - practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it "the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow." Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted "African-Americans with almost surgical precision."

http://www.vagazette.com/news/nationworld/ct-north-carolina-voter-id-law-20160902-story,amp.html

I don't think any of this is funny. I just find it stupid how the democrats will cry racism at the republicans for voter ID laws being discriminatory meanwhile their reasoning for accusing racism is... racist!

If the Voter ID law in North Carolina was so discriminatory and set to deter the African American vote, then it certainly failed because the African American voter turnout increased by 2% the following year. And it is not like an ID is hard to obtain, the state would provide one to you...for free!

JESUS! The Republicans expressly asked for information about how Blacks vote and then crafted a law that attacked those voting methods. It doesn't get any clearer than that. "the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow." Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted "African-Americans with almost surgical precision."

How is it that you don't recognize this rather than try to legitimize the law? There was no reason to create the law. As for more Blacks registering that took an extra special effort and still there were those who could not vote. Don't try to make this sound benign. Most of the Republican run states crafted similar laws. They did this for the very reasons I listed previously. There's been a history going back to 1870 when African Americans 1st had the right to vote and in response Whites took every violent act they could think of in order to stop Blacks from voting. They did this because of the fact that there were large percentages of Black people in the South and they would've changed the balance of Power in fact it started to happen and the people FREAKED!

Victory, Then Tragedy

Despite Democratic opposition, the Republicans steadily won ratification victories throughout 1869. Ironically, it was a Southern state, Georgia that clinched the ratification of the 15th Amendment on February 2, 1870.

On March 30, President Grant officially proclaimed the 15th Amendment as part of the Constitution. Washington and many other American cities celebrated. More than 10,000 blacks paraded through Baltimore. In a speech on May 5, 1870, Frederick Douglass rejoiced. “What a country — fortunate in its institutions, in its 15th Amendment, in its future.”

The jubilation over victory did not last long. While Republicans acquired loyal black voters in the North, the South was an entirely different matter. The Ku Klux Klan and other violent racist groups intimidated black men who tried to vote, or who had voted, by burning their homes, churches and schools, even by resorting to murder.

When the election for president in 1876 ended with a dispute over electoral votes, the Republicans made a deal with the Southern Democrats. First, the Southerners agreed to support Republican candidate Rutherford B. Hayes for president. In turn, the Republicans promised to withdraw troops from the South and abandon federal enforcement of black’s rights, including the right to vote.

Within a few years, the Southern state governments required blacks to pay voting taxes, pass literacy tests and endure many other unfair restrictions on their right to vote. In Mississippi, 67 percent of the black adult men were registered to vote in 1867; by 1892 only 4 percent were registered. The political deal to secure Hayes as president rendered the 15th Amendment meaningless. Another 75 years passed before black voting rights were again enforced in the South.

TPercy wrote:

JESUS! The Republicans expressly asked for information about how Blacks vote and then crafted a law that attacked those voting methods. It doesn't get any clearer than that. "the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow." Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted "African-Americans with almost surgical precision.

Sorry but how is racist to request data on black people vote? Dosen't prove a damn thing, especially considering the fact that NC Republicans had been trying to enact voter ID laws well before they came into power.

It wasn't just requesting the data!!! They used the data to take away the different ways Blacks vote and require things they found Blacks didn't have. There was an 83 page report detailing all the efforts to target African Americans specifically!!! What is it you don't understand about this?